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#11
August 28th, 2004, 04:29 AM
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Gregory Toomey mentioned in passing :
Many Hindus are vegetarian. How many fat Indians do you see? Many. I lived with a whole group of them. As soon as they stop having to do 12 hours a day of hard labor their diet makes many of them fat. here's some found in 5 min of searching.... http://www.prod-india.com/files/PROD...men%20SHGs.jpg I was vegetarian until I weighed 400lbs. Now I am only 335 and still losing. -- Sam-I-Am What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us. - Oliver Wendell Holmes --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/04 
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#12
August 28th, 2004, 08:24 AM
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In article , says...
Gregory Toomey mentioned in passing : Many Hindus are vegetarian. How many fat Indians do you see? More than a few, in America, at least. -- Saffire 205/149/125 - 5'1.5" Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333
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#13
August 28th, 2004, 02:35 PM
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"Saffire" wrote in message .. . In article , says... You know, that article brought to mind my parents when I was a kid. We weren't allowed to drink milk, except a little bit with breakfast cereal, because it was too expensive (how expensive could it be - they owned their own house.) Not that the cereal was that great for me, in retrospect... Instead, we were made to drink soda with every meal. I remembered Wow, I've never heard of THAT one! We were dirt poor and mom mostly had powdered milk for us to drink -- God, I HATE, LOATHE AND DESPISE that stuff to this DAY! It was really only drinkable if you did it fast and it was ICE cold. Bleah! Ditto - we had powdered milk. Mom would usually mix it into a milk jug so we "couldn't tell" the difference, but we sure could! Especially when we'd go to pour some and see the sludgy powder bits floating in it. I don't remember it tasting all that bad, though. She'd put a bit of vanilla in it. I remember it smelling very good. -- Spring LC since 1/1/04 260/208/170 http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spr...=/55b8&.src=ph Size: 24W / 14 / 10
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#14
August 28th, 2004, 07:50 PM
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:24:51 -0700, Saffire
wrote: In article , says... Gregory Toomey mentioned in passing : Many Hindus are vegetarian. How many fat Indians do you see? More than a few, in America, at least. But what are they eating? It would be very, very hard to get fat eating nothing but vegetables (which I don't espouse, by the way). The must be eating something that has a ton of calories in it. Are they strict vegetarians (no animal products whatsoever)? For instance, 100 grams of peas (according to: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...st_nut_edit.pl) have 78 kcal. To eat 2,000 calories a day of peas (granted, a bland diet!) would mean that you'd have to eat 2564 grams of peas a day, which is 5.64 POUNDS of peas. Let's say you wanted to do that with cooked cabbage. You'd have to eat almost 21 POUNDS of cooked cabbage. -- Bob M remove ".x" to reply
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#16
August 29th, 2004, 12:34 AM
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:08:02 +0000, DG511 wrote:
Vegetarians eat more than just vegetables. They eat lots of the stuff we're not eating, as in sugar and grains. It's entirely plausible that they could be fat, very fat. I was a vegetarian for 14 months right after I graduated from college (many, many years ago), and I put on 20 pounds immediately. What did I eat? Bread, bread, bread, pasta, pasta, pasta, lentils, rice, sugar, sugar, sugar (and honey and molasses), potatoes, potatoes, potatoes. And vegetables, especially those high on the glycemic index. When I throw a party, I consider it an obligation to make sure that there's something everybody can eat. I make a vegan jambalaya that has been well praised by vege- and omni-vores alike. I start with spiced, deep fried tofu for the mandatory chewy spiciness, and cook the vegetables in a peanut butter shade Cajun roux. I figure even with the rice it's about fifty percent calories from fat. It's entirely possible to be a vegetarian or even a vegan and have a hideously unhealthy diet. It's easier with the help of a skilled friend }:-) Martin (215/165/165 started 4/2003, maintaining since 4/2004) -- Martin Golding | If you boil it, they will come. DoD #236 BMWMOA #55952 SMTC #2 | Vancouver, WA
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#17
August 29th, 2004, 01:06 PM
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On 28 Aug 2004 19:08:02 GMT, DG511 wrote:
"Bob M" writes: On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:24:51 -0700, Saffire wrote: In article , says... Gregory Toomey mentioned in passing : Many Hindus are vegetarian. How many fat Indians do you see? More than a few, in America, at least. But what are they eating? It would be very, very hard to get fat eating nothing but vegetables (which I don't espouse, by the way). The must be eating something that has a ton of calories in it. Are they strict vegetarians (no animal products whatsoever)? Vegetarians eat more than just vegetables. They eat lots of the stuff we're not eating, as in sugar and grains. It's entirely plausible that they could be fat, very fat. I was a vegetarian for 14 months right after I graduated from college (many, many years ago), and I put on 20 pounds immediately. What did I eat? Bread, bread, bread, pasta, pasta, pasta, lentils, rice, sugar, sugar, sugar (and honey and molasses), potatoes, potatoes, potatoes. And vegetables, especially those high on the glycemic index. Lots of sweet potatoes, for example, and beets, which I vaguely recall as having a high glycemic index, although I could be wrong. Carrots, too. I didn't eat eggs, but I ate lots of dairy products. As soon as I resumed eating other animal protein -- only eggs and fish for a few years, no chicken or red meat -- I lost the 20 pounds I'd gained. It just fell off, like magic. I wasn't even trying to lose. It simply went away before I knew what had happened. It's entirely possible to be a vegetarian or even a vegan and have a hideously unhealthy diet. I know, I've done it. To be a healthy vegetarian requires a good balance between grains and vegetables, and avoidance of the junk carbs -- just like we do on a low-carb diet. Daria 166/under 145/under 145 sugar-free since 2/1/04 low-carb since 2/17/04 That is true, although my premise was that eating vegetables (and only vegetables) won't make you fat. I also at a low fat diet for many years. Although it was vegetarian, as I ate some meat and some milk products (skim milk is it, I believe), I only ate the very low fat kinds of meat (basically just white meats with no skin). However, I didn't eat sugar of any kind, except in rare circumstances (and I've kept that up for my low carb diet). I had been on low fat for so long that I didn't realize how hungry it made me and how hard it is to ever be sated on that diet. That is, until I tried low carb. Only then did I realize how bad the low fat diet is. -- Bob M remove ".x" to reply
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#18
August 29th, 2004, 02:43 PM
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:16:09 -0700, Saffire
wrote: Wow, I've never heard of THAT one! We were dirt poor and mom mostly had powdered milk for us to drink -- God, I HATE, LOATHE AND DESPISE that stuff to this DAY! It was really only drinkable if you did it fast and it was ICE cold. Bleah! Powdered milk is only good when you pour it down the drain.  However, I like Hormel Spam and really enjoyed those big round cans of government Spam-like mystery meat. But offer me a canned chicken and I just might beat you with it. ROFLMAO Remember trying to make chocolate with powdered milk that wouldn't dissolve no matter what you did to it and chocolate powder that had to be dissolved in hot (almost boiling) water? Then, you'd wind up with a nasty dark brown clumpy brew unfit for human consumption. What joy and jubilation erupted when Nestle's Quick was discovered. LOL Ahh a delightful stroll down memory lane. Lee Rodgers Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html Low-Carb Connoisseur http://www.low-carb.com
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#19
August 29th, 2004, 04:51 PM
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That is true, although my premise was that eating vegetables (and only vegetables) won't make you fat. I also at a low fat diet for many years. Although it was vegetarian, as I ate some meat and some milk That should say, "Although it was NOT vegetarian". products (skim milk is it, I believe), I only ate the very low fat kinds of meat (basically just white meats with no skin). However, I didn't eat sugar of any kind, except in rare circumstances (and I've kept that up for my low carb diet). I had been on low fat for so long that I didn't realize how hungry it made me and how hard it is to ever be sated on that diet. That is, until I tried low carb. Only then did I realize how bad the low fat diet is. -- Bob M remove ".x" to reply
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#20
August 30th, 2004, 07:46 PM
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