What can I drink in Britain

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:00:14 -0600, "Pat" wrote:


Caffeine. Stained teeth. Maybe not on the same priority
scale as losing excess fat, but years ago I switched from
tea to coffee because of the stains and the longer cleanings
at the dentist.

Huh? You actually think that coffee does not stain teeth?

(scratching head in disbelief) Pat in TX

There seems to be a lot puzzling you, Pat.

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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:16:44 -0000, "charl" wrote:

if you have actually taken all the advice the above people have made and are
serious...

i stick to diet coke, diet (slimline) bitter lemon or tonic water.
http://citizenship.coca-cola.co.uk/a...?brand=smixers

you might get the odd diet tango, but usually these are your lot.

I went to Tesco today to check out Diet Coke, and it seems fine. There
didn't seem a world of difference between it and Sugar-free Coke, at a
glance anyway. So I went to the pub and had one and it's way more
sensible a buy than OJ because you get way more (lasts longer,
especially if you don't like it) and it's sans carbs. Thus armed, how
long now till I shrink down to a mere 22 stone, one wonders?

Thanks group!

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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:51:38 -0500, "FOB"
wrote:

Caffeine is sinful? There is always decaf as well.

Big Bill wrote:
| On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:51:20 GMT, "FOB"
| wrote:
|
|| Anything labeled Diet. Tea and Coffee without sugar are fine, why
|| is it virtuous to give them up?
|
| Caffeine.
|
| BB


Decaff? and no sugar? Maybe you don't bother putting any hot water in
there either, hmmm?

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On 19 Jan 2007 11:52:27 -0800, "Doug Freyburger"
wrote:

Big Bill wrote:
wrote:

errr.... water???????

Not an order likely to make you welcome. I mean something I can buy in
a pub, not go in and beg for.

They don't have expensive water like Perrier or Evian (naive spelled
backwards) in Britian? You can buy one of those.

I don't think they have them in pubs, more restaurants. I'm in the pub
later, I'll have a looksee and report back.

Alternately, don't pubs in Britian have food that costs money?

Crisps, peanuts etc. Not exactly low-carb.

I'll
have the steak and veggies special, and since I'm emptying my
wallet on the food a glass of water please.

Jeez, you go in the wrong pubs. Most places don't do anything like
that now, not out here (Hampton Court, Surrey area). In town they
might all be trying to go gastrofoodie, but not out here, there isn't
the trade.

I don't get the virtuous part of why you listed coffee, tea and
alcohol together in the same list. But that does eliminate that
carb-free beer stuff they've been making for centuries. Whiskey.

Sigh. Whiskey...:-(

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On 19 Jan 2007 13:02:40 -0800, "Hollywood"
wrote:

So, not sinful, per se, but IIRC, in my version of DANDR, Dr. A doesn't
have a fond place in his heart for caffeine.

From DANDR (2002 edition, 10th printing, paperback), Chapter 11 (And
Away You Go: The Induction Phase), page 127:
*****
Beverages:
Clear Broth/bouillon (not all brands; read the label)
club soda
cream (heavy or light): limit to 2-3 tablespoons/day; note carbohydrate
content
decaffeinated coffee or tea*
---
italics* Excessive caffeine may cause unstable blood sugar and should
be avoided by those who suspect they are caffeine dependent. Everyone
should try to avoid caffeine. Grain beverages...
*****

That's the chapter and verse. I don't have a more recent copy or a less
recent one, but I think that's the last version of DANDR while Dr. A
was alive (Atkins for Life was maybe while he was alive, I don't
recall/care).

On the flip side, the Eadeses note (page 104, Protein Power, copy 1996,
edition 1999, trade paper)
"You may drink your coffee, tea or diet cola caffeinated or decaf. Most
people don't have any trouble with caffeine use. But a few people will
be sensitive enough to insulin output that the caffeine in beverages
will keep their insulin levels somewhat elevated..."

They go on to suggest that if you are doing everything else right and
it's not working, cut the caff. Since OP is drinking OJ, it's a bit of
a stretcher to say he's doing everything right, it must be the caff.

Small point form the OP here; I'm not drinking caff, which is how this
arose.

But, personally, I think it's admirable.

Not drinking caffeine? I stopped it the same way I do most htings, cut
out that first thing cuppa, then have none before 12, then before
three, then before five, and work up to none at all. I gave up
cigarettes that way too, back in the day. I'm working on giving up
using hip expressions in my posts too....

I have had to cut it back
pretty sharply, but that's cause I take a stimulant for something else
and they suggest that caff + pill = wall bouncing/heart issues.

In their subsequent book, PP LifePlan, the Eades give you options, but
if you go "purist" (very hard core raw foods, organic, unprocessed
ruling out cheese, which is foot hating madness in my book) you gotta
cut the caff beverages. If you are a Dilettante or a Hedonist (I'm in
there somewhere), you can have the caff.

Any rate, OP should opt for diet cokes and the like, or mineral/fizzy
water with lemon twist and the like there. Or get LC pub food and drink
the H2O. He's gotten this advice, but if he wants to kick Alcohol (food
hating madness, the vino is good good good for you) and caff, rock on
to him.

I haven't had a drink since end March three years ago. Yay me, eh?
Used to be a bottle of vodka a day man, got that way when I went
hyperthyroid. Enough was enough in the end. I miss drinking but I keep
myself busy other ways now.

I also kicked caff beverages for like 9 months once, and I
still puzzle over why I switched back.

Just when you think it's safe to go back in the kitchen....:-(

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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:27:57 -0600, Aaron Baugher
wrote:

Big Bill writes:

I read it about five years ago, is that enough, do you think? Does
anyone know of an online list of lo-cal drinks I could peruse at
all?

I'm not sure there's such a list, because it's too simple to bother
writing down. Drinks with sugar (including fruit juice): bad. Drinks
without sweetener: okay. Low- or no-carb alcohol, or drinks with
artificial sweetener: maybe okay, use at your own risk.

So unsweetened tea and coffee are fine; your choice on the caffeine.
Tisanes (tea made from herbs, flowers, whatever else is growing
nearby) should be fine too, unsweetened. Milk is pretty carby, so
some people mix water into heavy cream to get a similar consistency
with far fewer carbs. Fruit juices are out, as well as anything
that's been sweetened with sugar: Kool-aid, eggnog, etc. Vegetable
juice like V8 might be okay; check the labels like any food.

There's a thought, thanks. That might be handy to have in the fridge
instead of juice for a morning slurp.

Hard
alcohols are zero carb, so drink them straight; just remember that
while you're burning the alcohol you aren't burning fat.

Yup, I know, it gets burned first.

As for all the diet stuff, some people have trouble with it, and some
don't. If you don't already have an addiction to it, there's no
point in starting one.

Addiction to diet stuff?

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FOB (removethis) wrote:

Caffeine is sinful?

To Mormons, I guess. Doesn't sound like that applies to Big Bill.

Big Bill wrote:
Doug Freyburgerwrote:

Alternately, don't pubs in Britian have food that costs money?

Crisps, peanuts etc. Not exactly low-carb.

I'll
have the steak and veggies special, and since I'm emptying my
wallet on the food a glass of water please.

Jeez, you go in the wrong pubs.

Being on the other side of the pond, I guess so. The places I've been
to are someone's idea of what a pub across the pond might be. And
places I've seen on TV. Some here always have a menu, others go
through phases.

Though in terms of our conversation I ask which of the two of us is
the one going to the wrong pub, the one with low carb steak on the
menu or the one with some carby stuff on the menu ... ;^)

I don't get the virtuous part of why you listed coffee, tea and
alcohol together in the same list. But that does eliminate that
carb-free beer stuff they've been making for centuries. Whiskey.

Sigh. Whiskey...:-(

These days I punt on worrying about carbs in my alcoholic drinks.
I might average one per week and they tend towards beers and
ales. Today was a bottle of Chimay red Trappist ale and it was my
first alcohol in a couple of weeks. But I did gaze at a bottle of
Bas Argmanac for several seconds while heading to the specialist
ale section of the store so maybe next year it will be time for some
distilled stuff. Wanna bet Big Bill and I agree and disagree on
types of whisky? Agree - Liking the local stuff. Disagree - American
rye vs one of those European barley whiskeys ... Barley that could
have been made into perfectly good ale ...

Caffeine. Stained teeth. Maybe not on the same priority
scale as losing excess fat, but years ago I switched from
tea to coffee because of the stains and the longer cleanings
at the dentist.

Huh? You actually think that coffee does not stain teeth?

(scratching head in disbelief) Pat in TX

There seems to be a lot puzzling you, Pat.

BB

I was trying to be tactful, Bill. Anybody who thinks that coffee does not
stain teeth is not operating with a full deck....

Pat

"Big Bill" wrote in message
...

Jeez, you go in the wrong pubs. Most places don't do anything like
that now, not out here (Hampton Court, Surrey area). In town they
might all be trying to go gastrofoodie, but not out here, there isn't
the trade.

Try http://www.the-albany.co.uk/samplemenu.htm

This is in Thames Ditton, looking over the river,
just opposite Hampton Court ....


Take care,
Hamburger