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  #51  
Old July 24th, 2004, 09:03 PM
Martin Golding
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:36:20 -0700, Doug Freyburger wrote:

Drop34 wrote:
Ignoramus20054 wrote:

What is saki, is it vodka?


Rice wine


Not quite rice wine, not quite rice beer, but in that
general range. Wines are brewed from fruit and sake
is made from rice so it isn't quite a wine. Beers
are brewed from grains fermented with yeast and sake
is made from rice fermented with something other than
yeast so it isn't quite a beer, either.


Not exactly. Yeast ferments sugars to alcohol in both
beer and sake. Beer sugars are converted from the grains'
starches with grain malt, sake starches are converted by a
fungus. Sake production is complicated by the need to keep
the fungus level high enough for the conversion, but not
so high that it overcompetes with the yeasts for the sugar.

Like it's
in the middle between beer and wine.


It's always complicated applying pre-existing words to new
conditions, but that a high alcohol non-carbonated grain beverage
is called 'barley wine' is sufficient for me.


Like vodka, sake is clear and alcoholic.


Sake is not always clear, but the fuzzy sakes are less popular in
the US. Whether clear carbonated beverages fermented from malted
grain (eg, Zima) are 'beer' is another question.

Someday, I'd like to know how a high-gravity beer like Guinness
manages to be low carb.

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Old July 24th, 2004, 10:36 PM
Reg
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Laura B. wrote:

So then perhaps you could be part of the solution and inform everyone
here how to tell when their homemade jerky has a water activity level of
less than .85? Until then I'll keep mine refridgerated.


Part of the solution to what? There's not a problem in the first place.
Dried products are not a botulism risk, your mistaken assertions aside.

It doesn't take a lot of precision or special equipment to make safe
jerky. It's simple to do and there's a wide margin for error.

The fact that the water activity level of jerky is so far from
the minimum level required for botulism growth is what makes it
safe. Botulism is very sensitive to moisture conditions and
won't grow on anything that's been reasonably well dried. Adding
salt amplifies this effect by binding the water and making it
unavailable to bacteria.

The maximum water activity allowed for a non-acidic food to
be considered shelf stable is 0.85. See the following:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~comm/ift4-2.html

The water activity level of jerky is in the 0.70 range. However,
the minimum water activity level required to support botulism
growth under any conditions (i.e. even in an anaerobic environment)
is 0.93. For Type E botulism the number is higher, at 0.97. See
that here.

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~comm/ift4-3.html

The water activity scale goes from 0 (bone dry) to 1.0 (distilled
water). Jerky is 0.70. Botulism grows at 0.93 minimum, and fresh
meat is about 0.98 - 0.99.

0.00 Bottom of scale
0.70 Jerky
0.85 Maximum for shelf stable product
0.93 Minimum for botulism
0.98 Fresh meat
1.00 Distilled water

If you're having trouble figuring out how dry jerky should
be go to the store and buy some. You'll notice it's dry but still
supple, not at all brittle. That's how dry it needs to be. You don't
need special equipment in order to figure out how to do this
safely.

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Old July 25th, 2004, 01:45 AM
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"Laura B." wrote:

So then perhaps you could be part of the solution and inform everyone
here how to tell when their homemade jerky has a water activity level of
less than .85? Until then I'll keep mine refridgerated.

Laura B.

Storage has never been a problem at my house. They pluck it out of
the dehydrator as each piece reaches whatever they perceive as
perfection.
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Old July 25th, 2004, 01:45 AM
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"Laura B." wrote:

So then perhaps you could be part of the solution and inform everyone
here how to tell when their homemade jerky has a water activity level of
less than .85? Until then I'll keep mine refridgerated.

Laura B.

Storage has never been a problem at my house. They pluck it out of
the dehydrator as each piece reaches whatever they perceive as
perfection.
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Old July 26th, 2004, 06:58 PM
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On 7/26/2004 6:45:52 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:

One of the cans of Guinness with the pressurized ball runs around
12ish grams of carb. Miller Lite runs 3ish grams of carb. Give
me 1 Guinness over 3 Lites any day of the week. More flavor,
better flavor.


And more carbs. Your math needs work.
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Old July 26th, 2004, 06:58 PM
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On 7/26/2004 6:45:52 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:

One of the cans of Guinness with the pressurized ball runs around
12ish grams of carb. Miller Lite runs 3ish grams of carb. Give
me 1 Guinness over 3 Lites any day of the week. More flavor,
better flavor.


And more carbs. Your math needs work.
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Old August 8th, 2004, 06:15 PM
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On 23 Jul 2004, Ignoramus20054 wrote:

What I want to make is called "pemmican" -- a mixture of crushed dried
meat, beef tallow, and some berries. I will probably keep it in the
freezer. So, bacteria are mainly a concern during drying, due to
toxins they would produce in that timeframe.


I make pemmican all the time. I have some bison now in the refrigerator
thawing out. I do not marinade my meat. I only use a temperature of 115-125
degrees to dry. (Lower in the winter when the air is dry, the higher if a
humid summer period.) I only use meat and bison suet. I get enough fresh
fruit year round that I see no need to add that to the mixture. I keep it
for months in a plastic bag at room temperature.

Bacteria are not produced during drying. The key to all of this is
absolutely no moisture. All bacteria need moisture to survive. (Some don't
need air, but they all need moisture.) I dry my meat for several days.
There should no longer be a smell coming from the dehydrator. The jerky
should be brittle. I render my suet until there is no steam bubbles coming
up. I filter it before the bubbles stop, and then be sure a second time
that there are none. If you leave all the crude in the bubbles won't stop
for a very long time, as the crude holds moisture.

Here is something I wrote a while back on rendering suet:
http://paleofood.com/suet.txt

And here are some picture I took:
http://donwiss.com/pictures/pemmican/
http://donwiss.com/pictures/pemmican2/
http://donwiss.com/pictures/pemmican3/

Don donwiss at panix.com.
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Old August 8th, 2004, 06:15 PM
Don Wiss
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Default Pemmican, was Using dehydrator to dry MEAT (for jerky)

On 23 Jul 2004, Ignoramus20054 wrote:

What I want to make is called "pemmican" -- a mixture of crushed dried
meat, beef tallow, and some berries. I will probably keep it in the
freezer. So, bacteria are mainly a concern during drying, due to
toxins they would produce in that timeframe.


I make pemmican all the time. I have some bison now in the refrigerator
thawing out. I do not marinade my meat. I only use a temperature of 115-125
degrees to dry. (Lower in the winter when the air is dry, the higher if a
humid summer period.) I only use meat and bison suet. I get enough fresh
fruit year round that I see no need to add that to the mixture. I keep it
for months in a plastic bag at room temperature.

Bacteria are not produced during drying. The key to all of this is
absolutely no moisture. All bacteria need moisture to survive. (Some don't
need air, but they all need moisture.) I dry my meat for several days.
There should no longer be a smell coming from the dehydrator. The jerky
should be brittle. I render my suet until there is no steam bubbles coming
up. I filter it before the bubbles stop, and then be sure a second time
that there are none. If you leave all the crude in the bubbles won't stop
for a very long time, as the crude holds moisture.

Here is something I wrote a while back on rendering suet:
http://paleofood.com/suet.txt

And here are some picture I took:
http://donwiss.com/pictures/pemmican/
http://donwiss.com/pictures/pemmican2/
http://donwiss.com/pictures/pemmican3/

Don donwiss at panix.com.
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Old August 9th, 2004, 03:17 AM
Don Wiss
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On 8 Aug 2004, Ignoramus18740 wrote:

I want to add, rendering suet is much easier done inside a stove than
in a pot on a burner.


Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. It would solve the problem of it
sticking on the bottom and needing to stir. Maybe I'll try it for the next
batch. Right now I have enough suet from before for another couple batches
of meat.

Don donwiss at panix.com.
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Old August 9th, 2004, 03:47 AM
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In article ,
Don Wiss wrote:

On 8 Aug 2004, Ignoramus18740 wrote:

I want to add, rendering suet is much easier done inside a stove than
in a pot on a burner.


Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. It would solve the problem of it
sticking on the bottom and needing to stir. Maybe I'll try it for the next
batch. Right now I have enough suet from before for another couple batches
of meat.

Don donwiss at panix.com.


That method also gives you a milder flavor and smell.
My dad uses the oven to render emu fat for emu oil, and the resulting
oil is nearly odorless. No "cooked" smell to it.

Grind the fat in the grinder and place it in a metal screen colander,
and place that over a metal bowl. Turn the oven on to it's lowest
setting.

K.

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