Questions for Atkins....

Bob in CT wrote:


Get a copy of _Fat, Fighting the Obesity Epidemic_, by Robert
Pool. It will describe study after study.

E

I doubt that, considering the paucity of studies that have been done on
Atkins or another ketogenic diet.


Actually, the book I suggested talks about weight loss diets in
general. They all have a 95% failure rate. So why pick on Atkins?
His diet is just as good as any other.


E

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:49:53 -0400, marengo wrote:


Chrissy Cruiser wrote:
| On 9 Aug 2004 15:01:35 -0700, Byron wrote:
|
|| I am meeting with Atkins Nutritionals tomorrow for a TV show. I was
|| wondering if anyone can help me out with some good questions to ask
|| them?
|
| Ask them why Robert Atkins did not have a will ordered, estate
| mandated autopsy to be eternal proof his diet, which he claimed
| "saved his life", was everything he claimed it to be.
|
| Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a
| failure rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify
| promoting such a catastrophic failure of a diet when the large
| majority of those failures regain MORE weight than when they began
| Atkins. Contributing heavily to a human health merry-go-round of
| endemic proportions.
|
| Then ask them why their food sucks. With all that money Atkins Inc
| has drained from the foolish, they could have at least made a few
| things edible.


And you speak from what personal experience?

You're nothing but a stupid, blowhard or very, very ignorant troll. You
obviously have no self control and stay fat because you eat like a pig. Or,
who knows, mahybe you just need to get laid? PMS? Mentally ill? What
other explanations could there be for someone so irrationally bitter,
hostile and jealous of others' success?

Goodness, what a load of assumptions, I suppose you must know this person
in real time and if you do, what an unwarranted attack of such a vile and
personally directed nature.

Go back to your trough while we
continue to slim down and enjoy lower cholesterol, lower blood pressure,
lower triglycerides, lower weight and great health on Atkins. Idiot.

Gosh gee whiz, mark me an "idiot" for agreeing with her. Mark you as a
person without self control..or maybe you need ot get laid...or are in need
of mental...ooops, I certainly did not mean to plagiarize.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:28:29 +0100, Annabel Smyth wrote:

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 at 00:38:43, Chrissy Cruiser
wrote:

Then ask them why their food sucks. With all that money Atkins Inc has
drained from the foolish, they could have at least made a few things
edible.

How do you mean, "their food"? My sister and her husband are on the
Atkins diet and, as far as I know, they are eating normally, but cutting
out certain food like bread and potatoes. They are not having to buy in
anything extra.

Doesn't Atkins have a food line for sale?

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:28:46 -0400, pam_in_sc wrote:


Chrissy Cruiser wrote:
Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a failure
rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify promoting such a
catastrophic failure of a diet when the large majority of those failures
regain MORE weight than when they began Atkins. Contributing heavily to a
human health merry-go-round of endemic proportions.


95% and more weight regained is the failure rate for all diets--only 5%
of people sustain medically significant weight loss for 5 years.

Yes, it is common among all commercial diets; abundant and guaranteed
failures. Atkins is not alone.

My opinion is that the key is both motivation and finding the right way
of eating for each individual's preferences and metabolism. Fairly low
carb is the one that works for me.

Pam
t2 since Nov. 2003, diet and exercise

The one that works for everybody is simply reducing food intakes to
reasonable levels. What we perceive is "reasonable" is not and many, like
myself, thought that I had to eat the volumes I did. When I could not lose
weight, even in a very active lifestyle, I was stumped. Simple truths do
that. Slide right under the reason meter.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:07:58 -0700, Eldritch wrote:

Actually, the book I suggested talks about weight loss diets in
general. They all have a 95% failure rate. So why pick on Atkins?
His diet is just as good as any other.

Yes it is. "Good" being relative and all.

George wrote:
|| Fwiw, the 2PD Approach was *not* part of the cited study.
|
|| Andrew
|
| Nor will it ever be part of any study.
|
| Please don't pray for me. You have enough of the world to pray for as
| it is. Plus you think we really believe that you pray for each and
| every troll you get into a ****ing contest with on the internet?
|
| If it walks like a duck.................

He's not really a Christian; if he were he wouldn't break rules by
crossposting in order to annoy people who have no desire to read his crap.
--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
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Say, I haven't seen the fun word, "ghoti" since I was in grade school!

It's pronounced "fish" of course, and our teacher had us figure out why ...

--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

MU wrote:

Ah, so you're a baseball guy, huh? Ever play? Careful here,
Pastorio.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:32:56 -0400, Bob (this one) wrote:

Yes. Pitcher and shortstop. Pretty good, not great. High school
and college. For fun.

You're be the first that ever played "for fun" at that level.

Nah. You just hung around with the same sort of humorless people as
yourself. I wasn't trying to be any sort of athlete at any level
beyond *playing* the game. You've heard of *play*. Ran track, too.
Chance to play in different settings; run for the pure delight of
running. Pole vault. Play with spears and very heavy balls. Football
was fun. It's all fun when you can run fast, have good balance and
strong kinesthetic sense. But I spent a lot more time with books and
other people; not competing against them. Playing music and singing.
Writing. Horses - show riding. Airplanes. Walking over mountains.

Then I got past all that playtime like adults should except for maybe
the very, very gifted who can earn a living at it. I didn't try to be
one of them. It wasn't interesting enough.

And I know you claim to have also. When you were still a teenager
drafted by one of the majors. Bwah.

Most high school kids ARE teenagers Bob and a real baseball guy
would know that especially in the 60's when drafting was
supplemental and minors/teenagers made up the most of the baseball
draftees. But, of course, you knew that now, didn't you? Careful
there, Bob, SS, P, C myself and a B/B, T/R.

I'm not a "real baseball guy." So when were you drafted? How come you
never went anywhere with it? Supplemental hardly has the ring of
"majors." Drafted to what team? For how long?

And you claim to have been a part owner of a team long since
dead.

Not dead at all, Bob; very much alive and in its third, and best,
"life" there Bob.

Sure. It was called the "Memphis Blues" before it died. Missed a
season, 1976, huh? Sure looks like it's dead when that happens. But
wait... then the Memphis Chicks (you gotta be kidding!) were born...
Chicks; how fierce a name is that? Instead of Grrrrr, they say Cheep,
cheep... Ok, it was short for Chickasaws. Who names a team that, local
indians or not?

Now, there's a team called the Memphis Redbirds. I can see how you'd
want that stop-start stuff to be a "third life" instead of a series of
failures. All successful teams change their names, right?

You know, blowhole, if you'd just settle down into your real
accomplishments instead of trying to make yourself some sort of
swaggering superhero, it would all go down better. You'd get some
respect, for a change. Why exactly you have to do this compulsive
bragging and vituperative attacks is puzzling. It appears that you
actually do know something about strength training, but instead of
engaging people with your strengths, you sneer, scorn and mock, and
insist on stamping around in areas where you clearly don't know your
way. And you do virtually nothing else here. Different persona in
other groups to go with other anonymous names.

A baseball guy would know that the minor leagues are an ever
evolving sport team concept, Bob.

Oh, bull****. Minor leagues are a business like all paid sports are.
You sound like one of those "game face" press releases.

http://www.memphisredbirds.com/

And again, never said, didn't mean, haven't implied, don't wanna be a
"baseball guy." There's a team near here in the boonies that does well
playing other boonies teams. They're serious ball players. I've always
found that to be a funny idea...

Tell the Jernigans "Mu" says Hi!.

Not likely...

Would you like to meet the gentlemen that bought our club from us?
Dean Jernigan's old boss and majority owner of the KC Royals. Of
course you would, being a "baseball guy" and all. Fogie and I did a
deal or two in the real estate world before he went under and
coughed up all his baseball interests.

http://tshf.net/honorees/2004Fogelman.htm

Hey, Bob, guess what!! This organist played at my wedding and
taught Mrs. Mu for years. Old David Ramsey; tell him we said Hi!
too!!!!

http://www.allenorgan.com/www/news/a...tre/news1.html


How about taking a look at our old ballpark? We didn't have
artificial turf but it was home to us til '77 !!!

http://members.aol.com/charliezeb/stadiums/memphis.htm

Oh, did I mention that McCarver and I went to the same high school?

Zowie. I went to high school with Joe Namath's lawyer and a guy who
went to jail for 21 months for price fixing. And, of course,
they went to high school with me. LOL What a funny thing to try to
take credit for. Joe Theismann and Alex Wojciechowicz were neighbors.
They had wonderful careers anyway. Likewise Janet Evanovich. Didn't
hurt her a bit.

We actually played REAL baseball and it wasn't for funsies like
yours, Bob. Real, in the heat, 100 plus games every summer, Bob.

Terrific. What you wanted, obviously. I worked for money in high
school when I could. Summer was prime time for making money and
behaving badly.

Now, Bob, what have you done with the gift of baseball that God
gave you?

I put it aside with the other pursuits of childhood, as the bible advises.

The same as the gift of life He gave you when He saved you from
eminent

The word is "imminent" and is inappropriate here because it wasn't.

death from your cardiac distresses? Tossed them way? Treated your
gifts as if they were due you?

Accepted them with the sort of grace you seem unable to muster. I
can't take any credit for the speed of my fastball. The height of my
pole vault. The deftness of my hands. My capacity to play guitar. The
ruddy, classically handsome face... Oh, wait... LOL

Me, Bob, I guess I'll just take advantage of my time back home and
the gift of baseball that I have been given and go call a few dozen
ball games. Ages 9 - 69.

See. You are capable of thinking of something beyond yourself. It's a
wonderful thing seeing you at least talking about doing *something*
constructive. But it's a bit of a stretch to call being an umpire as
having "the gift of baseball" unless it merely means being in the same
place with it.

ps. My partner, friend's father, and I watched Russwood Park burn
down in 1960/Easter. We had just watched the last game, a MLB pro
game Detroit vs Cleveland, Colavito homered to win 2-1 for the
Tigers (nice Italian man; what happened to you?)and the old park
burned to the ground. I can still remember the good Doctor saying
"No town should be without baseball" and true to his word he was.

I agree with him. One day I'll tell you about me and Don Larsen and
the perfect game. Just because I'm not deeply interested now doesn't
mean I wasn't back then. My father was a Dodger fan. The Real Dodgers,
when they were still in Brooklyn. I liked the Yankees, partly because
I knew a few of them. Same with the football Giants.

As my dear and now departed friend Mel Siff would have said...

Over to you!!!

Got it, Mike.

Going on any cruises any time soon?

Bob

Bob (this one) wrote:

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

pam_in_sc wrote:

Chrissy Cruiser wrote:

Ask them why it is that NIH studies show that Atkins dieters have a failure
rate of 95% within two years. And how can they justify promoting such a
catastrophic failure of a diet when the large majority of those failures
regain MORE weight than when they began Atkins. Contributing heavily to a
human health merry-go-round of endemic proportions.

95% and more weight regained is the failure rate for all diets

Correction: This is the failure rate of the diets that were part of the cited NIH
study.

Fwiw, the 2PD Approach was *not* part of the cited study.

Anybody want to field this slow grounder... LOL

When the aim is true and the feet are swift with God-righteousness, that
slow grounder is a home run.

Christ is "the way, the truth, and the life."

For this you remain in my prayers, neighbor, with love.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 at 23:41:47, MU wrote:

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:28:29 +0100, Annabel Smyth wrote:
How do you mean, "their food"? My sister and her husband are on the
Atkins diet and, as far as I know, they are eating normally, but
cutting
out certain food like bread and potatoes. They are not having to buy
in
anything extra.

Doesn't Atkins have a food line for sale?

Not as far as I know - certainly not in this country, although many
sandwich bars, etc, now sell "Atkins-friendly" lunches.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html


Atkins food is readily available in the UK. I imagine it's available in
most countries whether it be via the internet or in local stores.

http://atkins-uk.com/

http://health.theukclassifieds.com/a...diet-food.html