Chest pains. Over exercise?

Perdu wrote in
:

I'm setting up a doctor's appointment ASAP, of course. And will
refrain
from over working the heart until I get a clear picture. Just wanted
some ideas, whether or not it happens to others that start off
exercising after not doing so for so long.

Two weeks ago I was in the ER for chest pains. (Turns out to have been a
respiratory infection.) I am only 35 and tend to ignore the warnings of my
body. I had the pain 4 days before I went in. I was severely chided and
given the following guidelines:

1. Chest pain is cause to be seen with 24 hours. If your regular doctor
can't see you within 24 hours, go to the ER.

(I was told it's usually better to go to the ER anyway, because your
internist is not likely to be able to run the necessary cardiac tests on
you in his office and would have to refer you to a cardiologist.)

2. Chest pain that radiates down the arms, especially the left arm, should
be considered an emergency. Go to the ER IMMEDIATELY.

3. It is not overreacting to go to the ER for any type of chest pain.

Also, when you put "chest pains" on your ER intake form, there's no
waiting! They take you right back.

Cate

"Perdu" wrote in message
...

Just found it curious upon raising my level of walking, light jogging,
jump roping and so on, I've noticed upper chest pains. It quickly subsides
when I rest up for a minute or so. But it does get painful. It does not
seem to be in the heart area, and it is on both sides of the front of the
chest and down the left arm if I really get my heart going.

I've done very little if any exercise in the past. I don't much care for
it. But now that I made my peace with it, I am stepping it up. Any
comments
on this?

I'm setting up a doctor's appointment ASAP, of course. And will refrain
from over working the heart until I get a clear picture. Just wanted some
ideas, whether or not it happens to others that start off exercising after
not doing so for so long.
--
Best Regards,

Steve

Are you nuts? Asking a diet NG about chest pain? Go get an EKG NOW!

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

Perdu wrote in
:

Just found it curious upon raising my level of walking, light
jogging,
jump roping and so on, I've noticed upper chest pains. It quickly
subsides when I rest up for a minute or so. But it does get painful.
It does not seem to be in the heart area, and it is on both sides of
the front of the chest and down the left arm if I really get my heart
going.

I already replied, but I wanted to add that just because you think the pain
isn't near your heart doesn't mean a thing.

Chest pain can signify other frighteningly grave conditions, such as a
blood clot in your lungs, aka a pulmonary embolism (PE).

Just in case you don't know, a PE can kill you just as suddenly as a heart
attack can. And if a PE doesn't kill you, it can permanently damage other
organs (including your brain) because the clot prevents the circulation of
enough oxygen throughout your body.

And plenty of people have heart attacks without having any pain around
their heart.

I'm not trying to scare you unnecessarily--just enough to make you get
offline right now and go see a doctor. I hope it worked.

Cate

Well, everybody already told you to see a doctor, so that is covered.

I recently read that the reason doctors do stress tests is that exercise is
likely to trigger abnormalities of the heart. I guess this should have been
obvious, but it never occurred to me quite that way. It makes me wonder if
"cardio" exercise may be harmful.

So many things in our society are taken to be truths, that are simply a
cultural belief without real evidence. Does driving your car an extra
50,000 miles improve its condition? Ever heard of someone having an injury
during exercise?

I was able to drop from 311 to about 230 with no exercise. It can be done.

I'm thinking about buying a used book: "The Exercise Myth" by Dr. Henry
Solomon

It used to be available online:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smart...monh/index.htm

Amazon:
http://tinyurl.com/6pljk

Cubit
311/185.8/165


"Perdu" wrote in message
...

Just found it curious upon raising my level of walking, light jogging,
jump roping and so on, I've noticed upper chest pains. It quickly subsides
when I rest up for a minute or so. But it does get painful. It does not
seem to be in the heart area, and it is on both sides of the front of the
chest and down the left arm if I really get my heart going.

I've done very little if any exercise in the past. I don't much care for
it. But now that I made my peace with it, I am stepping it up. Any
comments
on this?

I'm setting up a doctor's appointment ASAP, of course. And will refrain
from over working the heart until I get a clear picture. Just wanted some
ideas, whether or not it happens to others that start off exercising after
not doing so for so long.
--
Best Regards,

Steve

Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:41:01 GMT, Cubit wrote:

Well, everybody already told you to see a doctor, so that is covered.

I recently read that the reason doctors do stress tests is that exercise
is
likely to trigger abnormalities of the heart. I guess this should have
been
obvious, but it never occurred to me quite that way. It makes me wonder
if
"cardio" exercise may be harmful.

So many things in our society are taken to be truths, that are simply a
cultural belief without real evidence. Does driving your car an extra
50,000 miles improve its condition? Ever heard of someone having an
injury
during exercise?

I was able to drop from 311 to about 230 with no exercise. It can be
done.

I'm thinking about buying a used book: "The Exercise Myth" by Dr. Henry
Solomon

It used to be available online:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smart...monh/index.htm

Amazon:
http://tinyurl.com/6pljk

Cubit
311/185.8/165


I do believe that exercise is overrated in many ways. However, for me, it
simply makes me feel better. If I don't exercise, I'll feel fat,
regardless of whether I've changed weight. If I exercise even once, I
feel an almost immediate benefit -- I feel skinnier/lighter/better even
though I might have changed body composition.

--
Bob in CT

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:57:01 -0500, Bob M wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:41:01 GMT, Cubit wrote:

Well, everybody already told you to see a doctor, so that is covered.

I recently read that the reason doctors do stress tests is that
exercise is
likely to trigger abnormalities of the heart. I guess this should have
been
obvious, but it never occurred to me quite that way. It makes me
wonder if
"cardio" exercise may be harmful.

So many things in our society are taken to be truths, that are simply a
cultural belief without real evidence. Does driving your car an extra
50,000 miles improve its condition? Ever heard of someone having an
injury
during exercise?

I was able to drop from 311 to about 230 with no exercise. It can be
done.

I'm thinking about buying a used book: "The Exercise Myth" by Dr. Henry
Solomon

It used to be available online:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smart...monh/index.htm

Amazon:
http://tinyurl.com/6pljk

Cubit
311/185.8/165


I do believe that exercise is overrated in many ways. However, for me,
it simply makes me feel better. If I don't exercise, I'll feel fat,
regardless of whether I've changed weight. If I exercise even once, I
feel an almost immediate benefit -- I feel skinnier/lighter/better even
though I might have changed body composition.


That should say "though I might NOT have changed body composition."

--
Bob in CT

Cubit -

If you hate exercise so much that you don't wanna do it, then don't. But
don't try to pass it off as being harmful in the general sense. Sure,
exercise can be harmful to someone who has developed heart problems. ANY
activity can be harmful to someone who has developed heart problems.
Exercise can also be protective of the heart. Sure, anyone can lose weight
without exercise. It's basicaly just calories in vs calories out, it's not
a mystery. Sure, someone can get have an injury during exercise, happens
all the time. You can cut yourself shaving, too. BFD.

Cubit wrote:
:: Well, everybody already told you to see a doctor, so that is covered.
::
:: I recently read that the reason doctors do stress tests is that
:: exercise is likely to trigger abnormalities of the heart. I guess
:: this should have been obvious, but it never occurred to me quite
:: that way. It makes me wonder if "cardio" exercise may be harmful.
::
:: So many things in our society are taken to be truths, that are
:: simply a cultural belief without real evidence. Does driving your
:: car an extra 50,000 miles improve its condition? Ever heard of
:: someone having an injury during exercise?
::
:: I was able to drop from 311 to about 230 with no exercise. It can
:: be done.
::
:: I'm thinking about buying a used book: "The Exercise Myth" by Dr.
:: Henry Solomon
::
:: It used to be available online:
:: http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smart...monh/index.htm
::
:: Amazon:
:: http://tinyurl.com/6pljk
::
:: Cubit
:: 311/185.8/165
::
::
:: "Perdu" wrote in message
:: ...
:::
::: Just found it curious upon raising my level of walking, light
::: jogging, jump roping and so on, I've noticed upper chest pains. It
::: quickly subsides when I rest up for a minute or so. But it does get
::: painful. It does not seem to be in the heart area, and it is on
::: both sides of the front of the chest and down the left arm if I
::: really get my heart going.
:::
::: I've done very little if any exercise in the past. I don't much
::: care for it. But now that I made my peace with it, I am stepping it
::: up. Any comments on this?
:::
::: I'm setting up a doctor's appointment ASAP, of course. And will
::: refrain from over working the heart until I get a clear picture.
::: Just wanted some ideas, whether or not it happens to others that
::: start off exercising after not doing so for so long.
::: --
::: Best Regards,
:::
::: Steve
:::
::: Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

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"Cubit" wrote:

I was able to drop from 311 to about 230 with no exercise. It can be done.

I've dropped from 248 to 177 without exercise. It can certainly be done.

I'm thinking about buying a used book: "The Exercise Myth" by Dr. Henry
Solomon

I don't think exercise is a myth, I think it does help you reduce
weight, by burning calories. And converting more fat to muscle, which
means that for a given total body weight, you occupy less volume, hence
you look more thin.

That said, the reason I don't exercise is that it not something that I
am likely to continue to do. During the warm months, I tackle the brush
in the woods behind the house, plus the usual lawn work. And I shovel
the 250+ ft driveway in the winter (more times this winter than I wanted
to). I'll do physical work when it is productive, but not just for the
sake of doing it. Others enjoy exercise, and I don't knock them for
doing it, but it simply isn't something I do.

--
---
Chris Smolinski
Black Cat Systems
http://www.blackcatsystems.com

"Cubit" wrote:
Well, everybody already told you to see a doctor, so that is covered.

I recently read that the reason doctors do stress tests is that exercise is
likely to trigger abnormalities of the heart. I guess this should have been
obvious, but it never occurred to me quite that way. It makes me wonder if
"cardio" exercise may be harmful.

I've heard of a number of people dropping dead during a stress test.

One thing to be *positive* about, is to stop when the doctor
says to. Do *not* keep going just to see what you can do,
because it might cause a heart attack right there.

Also, yes it is quite true that exercise triggers all sorts of
things to show up on an EKG. In particular the lack of oxygen
to certain parts of the heart will cause different patterns to
appear. That is a specific indication of significant blockage
of coronary arteries.

One point that might be useful about that too, is *everyone*
should get an EKG done while fairly young and healthy, just to
have it in your medical records. That provides a baseline, to
compare with at a later time.

Sounds wierd? I had to change cardiologists (my original one
was killed in an avelanche while skiing), and the first time I
was examined by the new doctor, he had an EKG done. So he's
looking at it, and spots something odd looking that may or may
not be indicative of a change. So he sits there and dug through
my file, looking at each and every EKG that I've ever had done.
Basically they go back to 1998, when I had a bypass done, and
then there is the baseline EKG that I had done in my 30's.

The odd anomally that was on my EKG, was on every one of them
all the way back. That doctor looked *really* satisfied as he
told me we don't need to worry about it! (I don't know if I
looked satisfied, but that original baseline EKG was *my* idea!
I was just tickled, it had actually turned out to be useful 20
some years later.)

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

But he did get some very good advice.

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