Interesting Experiment

This guy ate as much as he wanted of protein and fat for 30 days and didn't
gain a pound (he was actually up 1 lb about midway). He averaged over 3800
calories a day, and could not stuff himself with any more. By his best
guess, he should have gained almost 14 lbs.

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"Tom G." wrote in message
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This guy ate as much as he wanted of protein and fat for 30 days and
didn't gain a pound (he was actually up 1 lb about midway). He averaged
over 3800 calories a day, and could not stuff himself with any more. By
his best guess, he should have gained almost 14 lbs.

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He'd better be careful with re-introducing the carbs...if he brings them
back to quick, he may "balloon up".




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On Dec 31, 12:57*pm, "Tom G." wrote:
*This guy ate as much as he wanted of protein and fat for 30 days and didn't
gain a pound (he was actually up 1 lb about midway). He averaged over 3800
calories a day, and could not stuff himself with any more. By his best
guess, he should have gained almost 14 lbs.

*http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/ftopic846-0-asc-0.php

I would guess that his body wasn't actually processing all of that
protein, and he was crapping a lot of it out. Your system can only
take in so much at a sitting.

"halsptw" wrote in message
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On Dec 31, 12:57 pm, "Tom G." wrote:
This guy ate as much as he wanted of protein and fat for 30 days and
didn't
gain a pound (he was actually up 1 lb about midway). He averaged over 3800
calories a day, and could not stuff himself with any more. By his best
guess, he should have gained almost 14 lbs.

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/ftopic846-0-asc-0.php

I would guess that his body wasn't actually processing all of that
protein, and he was crapping a lot of it out. Your system can only
take in so much at a sitting.




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"halsptw" wrote in message
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On Dec 31, 12:57 pm, "Tom G." wrote:
This guy ate as much as he wanted of protein and fat for 30 days and
didn't
gain a pound (he was actually up 1 lb about midway). He averaged over 3800
calories a day, and could not stuff himself with any more. By his best
guess, he should have gained almost 14 lbs.

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/ftopic846-0-asc-0.php

I would guess that his body wasn't actually processing all of that
protein, and he was crapping a lot of it out. Your system can only
take in so much at a sitting.

Most of what he was eating was fat....he was getting way up in th 80+% range
on a daily basis...

How much portein can your body take in at a sitting, BTW?



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"Tom G." writes:

This guy ate as much as he wanted of protein and fat for 30 days and
didn't gain a pound (he was actually up 1 lb about midway). He
averaged over 3800 calories a day, and could not stuff himself with
any more. By his best guess, he should have gained almost 14 lbs.

Taubes reports on a bunch of studies that tried to force volunteers to
gain weight. I don't have the book right here, but the most striking
one was done with prison inmates, after college students failed to gain
any weight on it. As I recall, the researcher fed the prisoners
thousands of extra calories on a high-fat diet per day, eventually
getting some of them up to 10,000 calories a day without much weight
gain.

I pretty much did this over the last couple months. I didn't track it,
so I don't know how many calories I got, but it was plenty. (Not
10,000; I can't imagine eating that much!) I decided I wasn't going to
cheat no matter what, so if I got a craving at all, I'd fill up on
low-carb stuff, no matter how much it took. I have a major weakness for
nuts--I don't seem to ever get full enough to stop eating them--so I'd
eat as much as a half-pound many days as snacks, in addition to 3-4 full
meals, often containing as much as a pound of meat per meal. Breakfast
was 4-5 eggs and 6-8 pieces of bacon. Just the meat, eggs, and nuts
that I'd eat in a typical day would exceed 4000 calories, but it kept me
from ever cheating, which was my only goal for this time period.

After a couple months of this (along with zero exercise), even though
I've been convinced by Taubes, Eades, et al that a calorie isn't a
calorie, I was still a little worried. What if glucogenesis of excess
protein pushed my insulin up to the fat-storage level? What about what
Bernstein says about how stuffing the small intestine causes insulin
release? How about what Schwarzbein says: that many other factors, like
stress, can raise insulin? Maybe I'd better weigh myself!

So I did. After a couple sedentary months of eating approximately 4000
calories a day, probably at least 70% from fat, I.....lost one pound,
from 254 to 253. Granted, I'd like to be losing more, but all things
considered, that's awesome.

Now I just have to figure out why I don't seem to get sated on fat and
protein as well as I should. I think it's mostly mental. One problem
might be that I eat very fast, so I'll be trying to slow down so my
stomach has a chance to break down some of those fats and proteins and
send my brain the message that it's okay to stop eating.



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"Aaron Baugher" wrote in message
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So I did. After a couple sedentary months of eating approximately 4000
calories a day, probably at least 70% from fat, I.....lost one pound,
from 254 to 253. Granted, I'd like to be losing more, but all things
considered, that's awesome.

Now I just have to figure out why I don't seem to get sated on fat and
protein as well as I should. I think it's mostly mental. One problem
might be that I eat very fast, so I'll be trying to slow down so my
stomach has a chance to break down some of those fats and proteins and
send my brain the message that it's okay to stop eating.

I've posted this before, but just a couple of comments on what you wrote:

I was losing a pound a week on 70% fat, at 2500-3000 calories/day, very
sedentary. (My job involves answering the phone, I don't leave my computer
very often during the day, and have no exercise program.) I used to do low
fat, 1000 calories/day to try and lose, and was lucky to lose a pound a
month.

Also wanted to mention that one of my issues is also eating too fast. I
remember growing up my parents would say, "Slow down, nobody is going to
take your food away from you" at the table. I'm done with my meal when the
rest of my family is only halfway there, so I'd keep eating until they were
done. And I'm convinced that is a major part of my weight issues. When you
eat fast, you eat more...and when you eat the wrong things, you gain
quickly. In general terms of course, and at its most basic.

Eating low carb with high fat has been the easy part. Changing behaviors is
a lot tougher.

Anyway - just wanted to "relate" to what you were saying .

--
Sherry
lowcarb.owly.net

Your comments about eating fast hit home with me. I tend to eat at my desk
when I'm at work, and quickly because eating interferes with what I need to
do. After a couple decades of this, I think the "eat fast" habit has
extended to all meals. And yes, I think I often eat too much and it may be
related to not slowing down.

Good point, and here's something else for me to focus on this year.

HG

"Aaron Baugher" wrote in message
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"Tom G." writes:

This guy ate as much as he wanted of protein and fat for 30 days and
didn't gain a pound (he was actually up 1 lb about midway). He
averaged over 3800 calories a day, and could not stuff himself with
any more. By his best guess, he should have gained almost 14 lbs.

Taubes reports on a bunch of studies that tried to force volunteers to
gain weight. I don't have the book right here, but the most striking
one was done with prison inmates, after college students failed to gain
any weight on it. As I recall, the researcher fed the prisoners
thousands of extra calories on a high-fat diet per day, eventually
getting some of them up to 10,000 calories a day without much weight
gain.

I pretty much did this over the last couple months. I didn't track it,
so I don't know how many calories I got, but it was plenty. (Not
10,000; I can't imagine eating that much!) I decided I wasn't going to
cheat no matter what, so if I got a craving at all, I'd fill up on
low-carb stuff, no matter how much it took. I have a major weakness for
nuts--I don't seem to ever get full enough to stop eating them--so I'd
eat as much as a half-pound many days as snacks, in addition to 3-4 full
meals, often containing as much as a pound of meat per meal. Breakfast
was 4-5 eggs and 6-8 pieces of bacon. Just the meat, eggs, and nuts
that I'd eat in a typical day would exceed 4000 calories, but it kept me
from ever cheating, which was my only goal for this time period.

After a couple months of this (along with zero exercise), even though
I've been convinced by Taubes, Eades, et al that a calorie isn't a
calorie, I was still a little worried. What if glucogenesis of excess
protein pushed my insulin up to the fat-storage level? What about what
Bernstein says about how stuffing the small intestine causes insulin
release? How about what Schwarzbein says: that many other factors, like
stress, can raise insulin? Maybe I'd better weigh myself!

So I did. After a couple sedentary months of eating approximately 4000
calories a day, probably at least 70% from fat, I.....lost one pound,
from 254 to 253. Granted, I'd like to be losing more, but all things
considered, that's awesome.

Now I just have to figure out why I don't seem to get sated on fat and
protein as well as I should. I think it's mostly mental. One problem
might be that I eat very fast, so I'll be trying to slow down so my
stomach has a chance to break down some of those fats and proteins and
send my brain the message that it's okay to stop eating.



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Aaron -- 285/253/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

Aaron Baugher wrote:

Taubes reports on a bunch of studies that tried to force volunteers to
gain weight. *I don't have the book right here, but the most striking
one was done with prison inmates, after college students failed to gain
any weight on it. *As I recall, the researcher fed the prisoners
thousands of extra calories on a high-fat diet per day, eventually
getting some of them up to 10,000 calories a day without much weight
gain.

This is why comments about overeating get so old when they
are from cross-posters.

So I did. *After a couple sedentary months of eating approximately 4000
calories a day, probably at least 70% from fat, I.....lost one pound,
from 254 to 253. *Granted, I'd like to be losing more, but all things
considered, that's awesome. *

It's also kinda creepy. Wanna bet such eating when you have 10
pounds left to lose won't have the same result? But it sure blows
a-calorie-is-a-calorie out of the water and calls into question just
what overeating really is.

Now I just have to figure out why I don't seem to get sated on fat and
protein as well as I should. *I think it's mostly mental. *One problem
might be that I eat very fast, so I'll be trying to slow down so my
stomach has a chance to break down some of those fats and proteins and
send my brain the message that it's okay to stop eating.

I think there are a lot of feelings that all get labelled "sated".
For
me eating high fat or high protein keep hunger from coming back for
a long time, but that's not the same as feeling full once hunger has
started.

My trick to attempt to eat slowly repeats Nina's - Every couple of
bites I make a point to set down my fork and try to say something
to my meal companions. I grew up with eating during meals and
plenty of conversation after but that's not conducive to eating slowly.

Doug Freyburger writes:

I think there are a lot of feelings that all get labelled "sated".
For me eating high fat or high protein keep hunger from coming back
for a long time, but that's not the same as feeling full once hunger
has started.

Good point.

My trick to attempt to eat slowly repeats Nina's - Every couple of
bites I make a point to set down my fork and try to say something to
my meal companions. I grew up with eating during meals and plenty of
conversation after but that's not conducive to eating slowly.

Yeah, we rarely spoke at meals when I was growing up. I think that used
to be fairly common of farm families, to eat like it's part of the day's
work, recharging so you could get back out there and get more done. My
dad learned to eat even faster as a Marine, and I probably copied him
somewhat. (He ended up with an ulcer that the doctor blamed on not
chewing.)

I'm trying to eat more slowly, but wow, it's so hard to remember to do.
I may have to spray-paint "SLOW DOWN" on my plates or something, because
it's such an automatic thing, to spoon in the next bite before the other
one is even gone. I'll keep at it, though. Last night at supper, I put
my fork down between bites until each bite was in my stomach.

Thing is, even if I can lose weight while eating 3000-4000 calories, it
seems so wasteful! High quality, low-carb food isn't cheap, after all.
I could save a lot of money if I didn't eat so much.



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