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Fish with Insensative Dioxin Receptor Survive in PCB Polluted Hudson River
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outsider wrote: On 8/8/2011 12:26 PM, Billy wrote: In , wrote: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/4/l_104_05.html Reading a chronological history, biologists traced the HIV-resistance gene mutation back about 700 years. That was the time at which the Black Death -- bubonic plague -- swept like a deadly scythe through Europe, killing one-third of the population. Then, as now, there were individuals who survived the lethal organism, perhaps because it could not enter their white blood cells. The areas that were hardest hit by the Black Plague match those where the gene for HIV resistance is the most common today. Correlation is not causation. That's what the tobacco companies used to say, but it sure pin-pointed where to look for the answer. Natural universe, perhaps not, but in scientific modeling (premise, hypothesis, conclusion, new hypothesis based on the synthesis of new information, ad infinitum) it is about all we have except for the occasional paradigm shifting revelations grated to the few. What you offer are interesting, unconnected, misleading factoids that prove nothing. We agree to disagree. You agree that "All that's left is to select our victims [of DDT]. So far we've selected the human being." - outsider That is an opinion with no supporting evidence. But do let me know if/when you've actually read something worthwhile about Chaos (internet web pages of the same value as printed material are few) and have some understanding of the topic. It is a growth area for most folks and I think your take on what you've published here will probably change. Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that? Hummm? -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote:
Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that? Hummm? Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play.... |
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Fish with Insensative Dioxin Receptor Survive in PCB Polluted Hudson River
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outsider wrote: On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote: Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that? Hummm? Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play.... At least they had citations, which one would never expect from a "poser" like yourself. I think you just showed who you are ;O) -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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Fish with Insensative Dioxin Receptor Survive in PCB PollutedHudson River
On 9/08/11 3:32 PM, Billy wrote:
In , wrote: On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote: Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that? Hummm? Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play.... At least they had citations, which one would never expect from a "poser" like yourself. I think you just showed who you are ;O) I second outsider. He has reasoned arguments that involve both science and logic, you have nothing but rhetoric. |
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Fish with Insensative Dioxin Receptor Survive in PCB PollutedHudson River
On 8/9/2011 12:32 AM, Billy wrote:
In , wrote: On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote: Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that? Hummm? Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play.... At least they had citations, I gave you one citation. One little citation, and it was obviously too much for you to handle. which one would never expect from a "poser" like yourself. I think you just showed who you are ;O) Just as I said, you're just playing with yourself. The book I recommended would *introduce* you the math behind the various pieces you were trying to cobble together into an irrational result. Had you at least read the amazon.com reviews you might have gotten an inkling what it was all about. It's the horse and water thing all over again. You showed me all right. Thanks! |
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Fish with Insensative Dioxin Receptor Survive in PCB PollutedHudson River
On 8/8/2011 6:58 PM, outsider wrote:
On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote: Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that? Hummm? Why don't you just **** off. Hey! Where do you think you are? Back home talking to your mother? |
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Fish with Insensative Dioxin Receptor Survive in PCB PollutedHudson River
On 8/9/2011 1:34 AM, Psycho-Deli wrote:
On 9/08/11 3:32 PM, Billy wrote: In , wrote: On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote: Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that? Hummm? Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play.... At least they had citations, which one would never expect from a "poser" like yourself. I think you just showed who you are ;O) I second outsider. With a name like Psycho-Deli isn't there a law that says you have to? |
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Fish with Insensative Dioxin Receptor Survive in PCB Polluted Hudson River
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Psycho-Deli wrote: On 9/08/11 3:32 PM, Billy wrote: In , wrote: On 8/8/2011 5:35 PM, Billy wrote: Your patronizing tone is amusing in that you have offered no proof to support your own opinions, and only offer a book that isn't even written on the subject. Why don't you just give me the quote, and the page number, and then I can show everyone how lame you are. How about that? Hummm? Why don't you just **** off. You have no science to back up your ideas, they come out of a political play book. So go play.... At least they had citations, which one would never expect from a "poser" like yourself. I think you just showed who you are ;O) I second outsider. He has reasoned arguments that involve both science and logic, you have nothing but rhetoric. "out" said (I shall paraphase) that we were killing people because we had outlawed DDT. We didn't, but it's use has been limited in order to keep it useful by denying mosquitos the chance to become resistant to it. I gave the citation of http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar ia You can go to the site right now, and see if you can refute the article. Perhaps, I muddied the water some by writing that "Exposure to the bubonic plague (or previously to small pox) seems to have imbued some with resistance to HIV." I should have written "selected for resistance to disease, which includes HIV". This was in response to "out"'s cavalierly stating, "Ans (sic) since the mosquito develops a resistance to the effects of DT, for example, so will the penguins, and other lifeforms, over time." This is plausible, but totally inhumane. In any event it is a side issue, to the side issue that "out" injected into the post. The point that I was trying to make was that Carson and the environmental movement wereand continue to becriticized by some conservatives and libertarians as well as chemical industry trade groups, who argue that restrictions placed on pesticides, specifically DDT, have caused tens of millions of needless deaths and hampered agriculture (and, implicitly, that Carson bears responsibility for inciting such restrictions). This criticism is at its base corporate propaganda. The reason that DDT is restricted is because of its effect on the environment, including humans. To maintain the effectiveness of DDT, and to fight mosquitos, Integrated Pest Management has been used. In some case, like Central America, mosquito populations can be controlled without DDT. In other cases, like Africa, DDT is a weapon in the arsenal of health workers. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar ia Mexico, the rest of Central America and parts of Africa have combated malaria without DDT by using alternative methods, such as controlling stagnant ponds where mosquitoes breed and using bed nets treated with pyrethroid insecticides. But such efforts have been less successful in other places, particularly South Africa. "We have a whole host of mosquito species and more than one parasite. The biology of the vectors is different and there is therefore no one-method-fits-all strategy, as is the case in Central America," Bouwman said. The panel convened in March, 2008, at Alma College in Michigan, near a Superfund site where DDT was produced at a chemical plant. Their goal was "to address the current and legacy implications of DDT production and use," according to their report. Acknowledging that some areas remain dependent on DDT, they recommended monitoring of the spraying to ensure that usage guidelines are followed and improved application techniques. "It is definitely not a matter of letting people die from malaria," de Jager said. --- That is my response to "out" and his "conspiracy" model of DDT use. Look it up. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar ia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_...nvironmentalis m_and_DDT_restrictions The only citation that "out" gave was http://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Making-S.../0143113453/re f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312810518&sr=8-1 a book on chaos theory! I asked for what the book says on the subject (HIV/bubonic plague), and the relevant page numbers, which "out was unwilling, or unable to provide. It appears that the was sending me on a "snipe-hunt" so that he wouldn't have to defend his ignorant remarks. "out", bite me. -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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Fish with Insensative Dioxin Receptor Survive in PCB PollutedHudson River
On 8/9/2011 1:29 PM, Billy wrote:
Billy, you're completely out of control. Stop. Pull your head out of your ass. http://gallery.photo.net/photo/206063-lg.jpg Think about the problem for a while, after reading the book I urged you to, and replace your politically regimented opinions with some science, especially with the math that will help you to see matters in the correct light. If you cannot grab hold of some sanity, don't even bother to reply to me in the future. I stopped reading your replies in any depth because there's nothing but propaganda in them. Good luck with the sanity thing. |
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Fish with Insensative Dioxin Receptor Survive in PCB Polluted Hudson River
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outsider wrote: On 8/9/2011 1:29 PM, Billy wrote: The point that I was trying to make was that Carson and the environmental movement wereand continue to becriticized by some conservatives and libertarians as well as chemical industry trade groups, who argue that restrictions placed on pesticides, specifically DDT, have caused tens of millions of needless deaths and hampered agriculture (and, implicitly, that Carson bears responsibility for inciting such restrictions). This criticism is at its base corporate propaganda. The reason that DDT is restricted is because of its effect on the environment, including humans. To maintain the effectiveness of DDT, and to fight mosquitos, Integrated Pest Management has been used. In some case, like Central America, mosquito populations can be controlled without DDT. In other cases, like Africa, DDT is a weapon in the arsenal of health workers. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar ia Mexico, the rest of Central America and parts of Africa have combated malaria without DDT by using alternative methods, such as controlling stagnant ponds where mosquitoes breed and using bed nets treated with pyrethroid insecticides. But such efforts have been less successful in other places, particularly South Africa. "We have a whole host of mosquito species and more than one parasite. The biology of the vectors is different and there is therefore no one-method-fits-all strategy, as is the case in Central America," Bouwman said. The panel convened in March, 2008, at Alma College in Michigan, near a Superfund site where DDT was produced at a chemical plant. Their goal was "to address the current and legacy implications of DDT production and use," according to their report. Acknowledging that some areas remain dependent on DDT, they recommended monitoring of the spraying to ensure that usage guidelines are followed and improved application techniques. "It is definitely not a matter of letting people die from malaria," de Jager said. --- That is my response to "out" and his "conspiracy" model of DDT use. Look it up. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...o-combat-malar ia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_...nvironmentalis m_and_DDT_restrictions The only citation that "out" gave was http://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Making-S.../0143113453/re f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312810518&sr=8-1 a book on chaos theory! I asked for what the book says on the subject (HIV/bubonic plague), and the relevant page numbers, which "out was unwilling, or unable to provide. It appears that the was sending me on a "snipe-hunt" so that he wouldn't have to defend his ignorant remarks. And your infantile response is: Billy, you're completely out of control. Stop. Pull your head out of your ass. http://gallery.photo.net/photo/206063-lg.jpg Didn't realize you were into "sexting". Appropriate self portrait, though. Think about the problem for a while, after reading the book I urged you to, and replace your politically regimented opinions with some science, especially with the math that will help you to see matters in the correct light. If you cannot grab hold of some sanity, don't even bother to reply to me in the future. I stopped reading your replies in any depth because there's nothing but propaganda in them. Good luck with the sanity thing. All you have to do, "out", is make a statement, and then give a supporting reference. Or, give me the statement, and the page number where I can verify it. Is that really so hard for you, or is it that somewhere in that dormant organ between your ears, you already know that you made an indefensible statement? You know that you must look really lame to the others in sci.med.nutrition, alt.support.diabetes, alt.support.diet.low-carb by now. Until then, "out", bite me! -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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