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Old August 23rd, 2010, 12:12 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Default How To Lower Cholesterol on Low-Carb Diet?

jay wrote:

When we eat excess fats, how is it stored?


It's stored as new fat but there's something that you're missing - While
low carbing it takes a vast amount of extra dietary fat to force new
storage. While low carbing it's easy to eat fewer calories and lose
stored fat because there are neither carb cravings nor fat cravings.
While low carbing it is also easy to eat enough to not lose anything.
Calories do matter. While low carbing there are several reasons why it
is difficult to eat so much fat that new fat gets added to the body's
store.

If the amount eaten exceeds that which we can burn,
does the body package the extra in LDLs
and this shows up in the blood test?


If you are forcing new fat into storage your triglycerides will be high.

Reason one - While low carbing fat tends to turn off the appetite for
fat. This is something many find hard to believe so I recommand that
you try it some time.

First do it in your imagination. A stick of butter plus the same amount
of flour and sugar is a batch of cookies. Some of us might not be able
to stop if we start eating it. A stick of butter straight is a
completely different thought. Imagine eating a stick of butter
straight. Then imagine doing it daily for a week.

Next do it in actual practice. Figure out how many calories you have
for breakfast most days. Then find a type of liquid oil you find
pleasant and figure out how much volume it takes for that many calories.
For me it came out roughly a fluid ounce or a shot glass. Now drink
that as your breakfast each day. Nothing else just the oil so there's
no net change in your calories. Feel free to chase it with calorie free
liquid that is not sweetened in any way so you don't get the cookie
effect. When I did this I had a coffee. In my experience the first day
was fine. The second day I didn't look forward to it but I drank it.
As each day past my reaction got stronger and stronger. Within a week I
couldn't even swallow it by holding my nose.

It is really true that in the absence of carbs fat turns down the
appetite for fat. It's self limiting.

Reason two - While on a ketotic diet or other low carb system the
insulin level in the blood is low.

Insulin moves fat into storage. With low insulin there's no hormone
pushing fat into storage. it will not flow that direction without being
forced by an overdose, but that does not happen because of what I
described as reason one.

Glucagon moves fat out of storage. While eating low carb the higher the
percentage of dietary fat relative to dietary protein the higher the
glucagon level in the blood. Increasing dietary fat literalling
increases the pressure the hormonal pressure to move fat out of storage.

So what if you eat extra protein to mask the effect of fat to be able to
move it into storage? That's why every low carb plan out there mentions
portion control. You can do it, but on a properly executed low carb
plan there's no hunger so there's no physical drive to do it. It
becomes easy to decide to not overeat. That's one of the biggest
miracles of low carbing - There's no physical drive to overeat.
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Old September 16th, 2010, 01:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Freyburger View Post
jay wrote:

When we eat excess fats, how is it stored?


It's stored as new fat but there's something that you're missing - While
low carbing it takes a vast amount of extra dietary fat to force new
storage. While low carbing it's easy to eat fewer calories and lose
stored fat because there are neither carb cravings nor fat cravings.
While low carbing it is also easy to eat enough to not lose anything.
Calories do matter. While low carbing there are several reasons why it
is difficult to eat so much fat that new fat gets added to the body's
store.

If the amount eaten exceeds that which we can burn,
does the body package the extra in LDLs
and this shows up in the blood test?


If you are forcing new fat into storage your triglycerides will be high.

Reason one - While low carbing fat tends to turn off the appetite for
fat. This is something many find hard to believe so I recommand that
you try it some time.

First do it in your imagination. A stick of butter plus the same amount
of flour and sugar is a batch of cookies. Some of us might not be able
to stop if we start eating it. A stick of butter straight is a
completely different thought. Imagine eating a stick of butter
straight. Then imagine doing it daily for a week.

Next do it in actual practice. Figure out how many calories you have
for breakfast most days. Then find a type of liquid oil you find
pleasant and figure out how much volume it takes for that many calories.
For me it came out roughly a fluid ounce or a shot glass. Now drink
that as your breakfast each day. Nothing else just the oil so there's
no net change in your calories. Feel free to chase it with calorie free
liquid that is not sweetened in any way so you don't get the cookie
effect. When I did this I had a coffee. In my experience the first day
was fine. The second day I didn't look forward to it but I drank it.
As each day past my reaction got stronger and stronger. Within a week I
couldn't even swallow it by holding my nose.

It is really true that in the absence of carbs fat turns down the
appetite for fat. It's self limiting.

Reason two - While on a ketotic diet or other low carb system the
insulin level in the blood is low.

Insulin moves fat into storage. With low insulin there's no hormone
pushing fat into storage. it will not flow that direction without being
forced by an overdose, but that does not happen because of what I
described as reason one.

Glucagon moves fat out of storage. While eating low carb the higher the
percentage of dietary fat relative to dietary protein the higher the
glucagon level in the blood. Increasing dietary fat literalling
increases the pressure the hormonal pressure to move fat out of storage.

So what if you eat extra protein to mask the effect of fat to be able to
move it into storage? That's why every low carb plan out there mentions
portion control. You can do it, but on a properly executed low carb
plan there's no hunger so there's no physical drive to do it. It
becomes easy to decide to not overeat. That's one of the biggest
miracles of low carbing - There's no physical drive to overeat.


Low-carb diets have already been shown to bring about weight loss but the new trial suggests that they could also have an additional benefit for obese people by cutting heart disease risk through reducing inflammation.
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Old September 18th, 2010, 01:50 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:23:49 +0000, kennyjoyy
wrote:

Low-carb diets have already been shown to bring about weight loss but
the new trial suggests that they could also have an additional benefit
for obese people by cutting heart disease risk through reducing
inflammation.


My cholesterol improved when I became more rigorous about counting
carbs -- good chol up, bad chol down. I eat lots of high-fat stuff,
and I don't count calories. Oh, and I lost six inches off my hips.
?;^)

I do have a friend who had to stop low-carbing because of her
cholesterol readings, so I guess it has different effects on different
people. It's not an across-the-board thing.

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Old September 18th, 2010, 03:11 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Not necessarily different people, perhaps different timing. It's my
understanding that it tends to go up at first, then come down after a few
months. Not that it really matters, anyway, as there is current research
showing cholesterol doesn't cause heart attacks. It's inflammation that
triggers deposits.

Patricia Martin Steward wrote:
|
| My cholesterol improved when I became more rigorous about counting
| carbs -- good chol up, bad chol down. I eat lots of high-fat stuff,
| and I don't count calories. Oh, and I lost six inches off my hips.
| ?;^)
|
| I do have a friend who had to stop low-carbing because of her
| cholesterol readings, so I guess it has different effects on different
| people. It's not an across-the-board thing.


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Old September 19th, 2010, 01:09 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Sep 18, 10:11*am, "FOB" wrote:
Not necessarily different people, perhaps different timing. *It's my
understanding that it tends to go up at first, then come down after a few
months. *Not that it really matters, anyway, as there is current research
showing cholesterol doesn't cause heart attacks. *It's inflammation that
triggers deposits.

Patricia Martin Steward wrote:

|
| My cholesterol improved when I became more rigorous about counting
| carbs -- good chol up, bad chol down. *I eat lots of high-fat stuff,
| and I don't count calories. *Oh, and I lost six inches off my hips.
| ?;^)
|
| I do have a friend who had to stop low-carbing because of her
| cholesterol readings, so I guess it has different effects on different
| people. *It's not an across-the-board thing.


Also it would be interesting to know the actual numbers before
starting LC, how long she was on, etc. The statement " A friend had
to stop LC because of her cholesterol readings" could mean a lot of
things. Including just telling a Dr they were doing LC and the Dr
telling them that with their chol history, LC was going to make it
worse.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 06:54 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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FOB (removethis) wrote:

Not necessarily different people, perhaps different timing. It's my
understanding that it tends to go up at first, then come down after a few
months. Not that it really matters, anyway, as there is current research
showing cholesterol doesn't cause heart attacks. It's inflammation that
triggers deposits.


The 1993/1999 editions of the Atkins book claimed that by 6 months in
about 80% of folks see better cholesterol numbers. The 2002 edition
claimed that by 2 months in "most" see better cholesterol numbers.

So it's not a sure thing that low carbing will cause improvement, but it
is a sure thing that you need to wait half a year before the tests start
to actually mean anything because of how the numbers go in the first few
weeks. Patience.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 11:24 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ,
Doug Freyburger wrote:

FOB (removethis) wrote:

Not necessarily different people, perhaps different timing. It's my
understanding that it tends to go up at first, then come down after a few
months. Not that it really matters, anyway, as there is current research
showing cholesterol doesn't cause heart attacks. It's inflammation that
triggers deposits.


The 1993/1999 editions of the Atkins book claimed that by 6 months in
about 80% of folks see better cholesterol numbers. The 2002 edition
claimed that by 2 months in "most" see better cholesterol numbers.

So it's not a sure thing that low carbing will cause improvement, but it
is a sure thing that you need to wait half a year before the tests start
to actually mean anything because of how the numbers go in the first few
weeks. Patience.


My understanding is that LDLs and HDLs will go up on a low-card diet.
THe thing is that the principal indicators for CVD are high "Very Low
Density Lipids" (VLDL) and low HDL.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 10:46 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Sep 19, 1:54*pm, Doug Freyburger wrote:
FOB (removethis) wrote:

Not necessarily different people, perhaps different timing. *It's my
understanding that it tends to go up at first, then come down after a few
months. *Not that it really matters, anyway, as there is current research
showing cholesterol doesn't cause heart attacks. *It's inflammation that
triggers deposits.


The 1993/1999 editions of the Atkins book claimed that by 6 months in
about 80% of folks see better cholesterol numbers. *The 2002 edition
claimed that by 2 months in "most" see better cholesterol numbers.

So it's not a sure thing that low carbing will cause improvement, but it
is a sure thing that you need to wait half a year before the tests start
to actually mean anything because of how the numbers go in the first few
weeks. *Patience.


The statements attributed to Atkins above obviously refute your
conclusion.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 05:08 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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In article ,
"FOB" wrote:

??? Who are you talking to and what conclusion?

wrote:
| On Sep 19, 1:54 pm, Doug Freyburger wrote:
|| FOB (removethis) wrote:
||
||| Not necessarily different people, perhaps different timing. It's my
||| understanding that it tends to go up at first, then come down after
||| a few months. Not that it really matters, anyway, as there is
||| current research showing cholesterol doesn't cause heart attacks.
||| It's inflammation that triggers deposits.
||
|| The 1993/1999 editions of the Atkins book claimed that by 6 months in
|| about 80% of folks see better cholesterol numbers. The 2002 edition
|| claimed that by 2 months in "most" see better cholesterol numbers.
||
|| So it's not a sure thing that low carbing will cause improvement,
|| but it is a sure thing that you need to wait half a year before the
|| tests start to actually mean anything because of how the numbers go
|| in the first few weeks. Patience.
|
| The statements attributed to Atkins above obviously refute your
| conclusion.


Who wants to lower their cholesterol, and why? For women over 50, there
is no connection between cholesterol and CVD.
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