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http://www.drbriffa.com/2012/08/17/t...e-ineffective/ http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD0067...on-are-unclear "Treating mild high blood pressure with drugs found to be ineffective" Hmmm. Ya don't say? "We’ve long known that almost all benefit from treating severe hypertension comes with lowering BP [blood pressure] just a little. On the other hand, efforts to lower BP to ‘normal,’ typically requiring multiple drugs, are not only usually unsuccessful but produce more harm than good, since adverse effects of intensive treatment outweigh the minimal marginal benefit of a little more BP ‘control.’ Drug treatment of mild hypertension….may be of great value to drug makers, but it was almost predictable that it would provide little or no benefit for patients." "Results showed that in those treated with active medication (compared to placebo) we At no reduced risk of developing heart disease At no reduced risk of stroke At no reduced risk of ‘total cardiovascular events’ (essentially heart attacks and strokes combined) At no reduced risk of overall risk of death" -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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What are those, i.e. mild high, severe, in numbers. I hate articles that
give descriptions that are so vague when numbers are clearly appropriate. Dogman wrote: | http://www.drbriffa.com/2012/08/17/t...e-ineffective/ | | http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD0067...on-are-unclear | | "Treating mild high blood pressure with drugs found to be ineffective" | | Hmmm. Ya don't say? | | "We've long known that almost all benefit from treating severe | hypertension comes with lowering BP [blood pressure] just a little. On | the other hand, efforts to lower BP to 'normal,' typically requiring | multiple drugs, are not only usually unsuccessful but produce more | harm than good, since adverse effects of intensive treatment outweigh | the minimal marginal benefit of a little more BP 'control.' Drug | treatment of mild hypertension..may be of great value to drug makers, | but it was almost predictable that it would provide little or no | benefit for patients." | | "Results showed that in those treated with active medication (compared | to placebo) we | | At no reduced risk of developing heart disease | At no reduced risk of stroke | At no reduced risk of 'total cardiovascular events' (essentially | heart attacks and strokes combined) | At no reduced risk of overall risk of death" |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:14:18 -0400, "FOB"
wrote: What are those, i.e. mild high, severe, in numbers. I hate articles that give descriptions that are so vague when numbers are clearly appropriate. What are what? Did you check the second link? Lots of numbers there. Dogman wrote: | http://www.drbriffa.com/2012/08/17/t...e-ineffective/ | | http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD0067...on-are-unclear | | "Treating mild high blood pressure with drugs found to be ineffective" | | Hmmm. Ya don't say? | | "We've long known that almost all benefit from treating severe | hypertension comes with lowering BP [blood pressure] just a little. On | the other hand, efforts to lower BP to 'normal,' typically requiring | multiple drugs, are not only usually unsuccessful but produce more | harm than good, since adverse effects of intensive treatment outweigh | the minimal marginal benefit of a little more BP 'control.' Drug | treatment of mild hypertension..may be of great value to drug makers, | but it was almost predictable that it would provide little or no | benefit for patients." | | "Results showed that in those treated with active medication (compared | to placebo) we | | At no reduced risk of developing heart disease | At no reduced risk of stroke | At no reduced risk of 'total cardiovascular events' (essentially | heart attacks and strokes combined) | At no reduced risk of overall risk of death" -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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On Aug 17, 4:36*pm, Dogman wrote:
In the interests of full disclosure..... First, this link is to Dr. Biffa who previously has said that avoiding one stroke in 32 men over 5 years by using BP medications that lower BP just 10 points is a "slim benefit". Now, I don't know about anyone else, but to me avoiding one stroke in 32 men over 5 years is a HUGE benefit. Think of the resulting deaths, lifelong disabilities, healthcare costs, etc. What does one stroke patient cost us? And BP medications are among the safest and best tolerated drugs out there. So to call it a slim benefit is enough to put you in my kook bin. Speaking of which, this continued rant against drugs is brought to you by Dogman, who believes: HIV is not the cause of AIDS HIV is harmless AIDS is caused by diet and lack of sleep AIDS is caused by AIDS drugs No virus can cause cancer HPV is not a cause of cervical cancer. Avoiding that 1 stroke in 32 men every 5 years is a slim benefit Evaluate the above before buying into his "science". For an alternate view on BP medications: http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/ar...an-save-l.html "The new report suggests that treating even relatively mild high blood pressure of between 90 and 114 diastolic, which is the second of a pair of numbers given for blood pressure readings, significantly reduces the risk of death. The results were compiled by Dr. Charles H. Hennekens and colleagues at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston and Oxford University and were presented Monday at a meeting in San Francisco sponsored by the American Heart Association." |
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