Strongly Considering WW, have questions

If you want to control your weight and get to "normal" you do have to
face the fact that what were favorite foods will have to shrink in
portion sizes, at least. It is one of those adult moves we need to
deal with (G)

Best

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 07:55:17 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Great name!

Thank you for the newbie welcome. I saw the faq a bit earlier as I've been
lurking for a few days, uncertain if I should speak-up. Everyone has done a
great job with the FAQ, it's quite extensive. A friend at work told me
about Dottie's site and I was checking it out Friday night trying to get a
clue as to how many points were in my favorite foods. *cringe*

Julie

"JulieB" wrote in message
...
Hi Julie from another Julie! WW is a great program - there are even a lot
of people here who don't go to meetings (if that's not your thing), so
it's
flexible enough to suit your lifestyle. Others have answered your
specific
questions, so I'll just add the official welcome notice. There's a lot of
good info in there too.

Welcome to this great newsgroup where you'll receive lots of support,
advice, and encouragement. Once a week on Sundays, I post a list of links
that newcomers to asdww might find useful. You may want to look for that
later in the week, or do a backwards search for last Sunday's post.

In the meantime, here's our FAQ:
http://www.didian.com/asdww/
our welcome notice:
http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

Frequently seen acronyms on this NG:
NSV = Non-Scale Victory
WOE = Way of Eating
WOL = Way of Life (Living)
OP = on Points or On Program
DH = Dear or Darling Husband
DS/DD/DGD/etc = Dear or Darling Son, Daughter, Granddaughter, etc
WI = Weigh-in

Amberle3's Challenges:

THTP - Take Heart, Take Part Exercise Challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/thtp.htm

RafL - Resolutions are for Losers Weight Loss Challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/rafl.htm


Other acronyms:
http://www.wwlissa.com/dwlz100+/100+acronyms.htm

Here's a short synopsis of the USA program by Joyce -

How many points you can eat is only based on your current weight, as you
lose
weight those points allowed will decrease (logic is that your body will
need
less
to operate). At 183 pounds and based on the new US flexpoints system,
you
will
have a set point target of 24. In addition to this you are allowed 35
flexpoints
to be used throughout the week ... as well as any activity points you earn
on a
particular day. When your weight drops to 175, your target drops to 22
points ...
weight reaches 150, target once again drop to 20 points. 3 servings of
dairy of
recommended per day, 5 servings of fruit and veggies, minimum of 6 glasses
of
water.

To calculate food and activity points, I love this computer desktop
calculator ...
http://www.zythra.com/downloads/points.exe

The basic plan is easy. Eat at least your minimum daily number of points.
Points
do not carry over from day to day. You are allotted 35 weekly flexpoints
to
be
used at your discretion ... can divide them up and use daily (would be an
additional 5 points per day) or save them and use them for a special
occassion
during the week. Activity points are earned based when exercising, but
can
ONLY
be used on the day they are earned.

If you can afford $15/month, the online ww program might be a great thing
for you
to look into. There is lots of information available, as well as the food
point
database and journaling system.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 133.3
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Please note that if you live in onther countries (UK, Australia, NZ,
Europe), the Points plans are different. The UK and Australia/NZ
calculate
points based on saturated fat and total kilojoules. Most of Europe
calculates based on total fat and total kilojoules. The desktop
calculator
above can handle all of these programs.

Disclaimer: As an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, asdww is unusual in that
most of the people who participate are respectful, considerate folks who
freely share their experience with and knowledge of WW, weight loss, and
maintenance. Yet occasionally, spammers, trolls, and flamers show up to
post
advertising, false information, insults, and the like. Nearly all of the
time, people like this are just trying to yank someone's chain. Most of
the
regulars on this newsgroup offer their experience as a suggestion to try
if
you're stuck, but are quick to advise that each person has to find what
works for him/herself. If someone posts something that doesn't sound right
to you, ask the newsgroup, ask your WW leader, or ask your health
professional.

Much success on your weight loss journey! WW works!

--
Julie.
93.5/72.3/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg
205.7/159.0/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb

Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice:
http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

"skiur" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I'm new to this ng, but not new to dieting. I've needed to lose a "few
pounds" my entire life. I want to change my WOE for a healthier
WOL-including exercise. I'm looking for a sustainable WOE. I've done
Jenny
Craig, it was too expensive. In my mind, WW and JC were the same thing
(I
understand that this was an old stereotype from years ago, but I'm
having
a
hard time differentiating the two).

In the past when I've changed my WOE, I've been very single-minded in
weightloss efforts and working out. The short version is that it was
too
difficult to maintain and I missed certain foods. It took me over 4
years
to get back to the weight where I started to LC. The weight gain
occurred
because I stopped paying attention to what I ate.

I know that following a WOE comes from within. I'm concerned that I
might
not stick with WW and I don't want to beat myself up for "wasting money
on
yet another program". I'm too good at beating myself up for "failing"
and
I
don't need to do that to myself.

My questions a
Other than registration fees and weekly meeting fees, what else do you
have
to buy to start the program and how much is it (approximately)?
What happens at meetings other than the weekly weigh-in?
What types of topics are on offer for discussion?

Thanks for answering my questions.

Julie

Here, folks say, just move on. No guilt, just get back to basics and
the program which does work.

I noticed you mentioned dhv1 (G) - well, you cannot consider how or
what others eat - this is your program and you have to gain control.
If dhv2 does not have a weight problem, then you have to tackle yours
and let him eat what he can eat and get away with. Rabbit food
supplements the other items and is filling and healthy. Not that all
you can eat is rabbit food but check out points and watch how sauces
score or make that SOAR. Same with salad dressing for that rabbit
food. There are tricks but in the main, portion control, portion
control and portion control really is the trick.

Like some of the others I had lost weight in other ways - doing
healthy choice dinners and carnation instant breakfasts for lunch.
Well, I learned nothing about how much food and how to eat when I was
not sticking to that regime. I regained.

Not that this is absolutely simple. It is not. I'm not starving on
WW but there are those cravings and binge behaviors which has nothing
to do with need for food. It takes effort but it is worth it when I
hike and bike and ski. My joints really know the difference.

Good luck

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:49:51 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Fred,

Great job on your numbers!

I get really hung up about blowing it-I tend to blow it on occassion and
then I beat myself up. It's a habit I need to break.

Julie

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Welcome. Well, the others have probably covered it all in various
ways.

You eat NORMAL foods that you buy at any market. You just learn how
to portion it out so that you do not overeat. As was said, buying
premeasured/preweighed foods gives you no skill in managing portions
on your own. And if Jenny is intended to provide a kick or quick
start, WW does it my immediately immersing you in learning what to do
and how to do it. You also learn that blowing it on occasion is NOT
the end of the world or the end of WW - just restart at the next meal
or the next day or when the vacation ends.

It works acceptionally well and teachs you NORMAL eating patterns so
that your WOE and WOL match those of fit and healthy individuals.

WW works:

Fred
219.2/157.6/164.0 (Lifetime July 2003)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:51:48 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this ng, but not new to dieting. I've needed to lose a "few
pounds" my entire life. I want to change my WOE for a healthier
WOL-including exercise. I'm looking for a sustainable WOE. I've done
Jenny
Craig, it was too expensive. In my mind, WW and JC were the same thing
(I
understand that this was an old stereotype from years ago, but I'm having
a
hard time differentiating the two).

In the past when I've changed my WOE, I've been very single-minded in
weightloss efforts and working out. The short version is that it was too
difficult to maintain and I missed certain foods. It took me over 4
years
to get back to the weight where I started to LC. The weight gain
occurred
because I stopped paying attention to what I ate.

I know that following a WOE comes from within. I'm concerned that I
might
not stick with WW and I don't want to beat myself up for "wasting money
on
yet another program". I'm too good at beating myself up for "failing"
and I
don't need to do that to myself.

My questions a
Other than registration fees and weekly meeting fees, what else do you
have
to buy to start the program and how much is it (approximately)?
What happens at meetings other than the weekly weigh-in?
What types of topics are on offer for discussion?

Thanks for answering my questions.

Julie

Right. I was cringing as to how many points favorite meals out are.


"Fred" wrote in message
...
If you want to control your weight and get to "normal" you do have to
face the fact that what were favorite foods will have to shrink in
portion sizes, at least. It is one of those adult moves we need to
deal with (G)

Best

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 07:55:17 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Great name!

Thank you for the newbie welcome. I saw the faq a bit earlier as I've
been
lurking for a few days, uncertain if I should speak-up. Everyone has
done a
great job with the FAQ, it's quite extensive. A friend at work told me
about Dottie's site and I was checking it out Friday night trying to get
a
clue as to how many points were in my favorite foods. *cringe*

Julie

"JulieB" wrote in message
...
Hi Julie from another Julie! WW is a great program - there are even a
lot
of people here who don't go to meetings (if that's not your thing), so
it's
flexible enough to suit your lifestyle. Others have answered your
specific
questions, so I'll just add the official welcome notice. There's a lot
of
good info in there too.

Welcome to this great newsgroup where you'll receive lots of support,
advice, and encouragement. Once a week on Sundays, I post a list of
links
that newcomers to asdww might find useful. You may want to look for
that
later in the week, or do a backwards search for last Sunday's post.

In the meantime, here's our FAQ:
http://www.didian.com/asdww/
our welcome notice:
http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

Frequently seen acronyms on this NG:
NSV = Non-Scale Victory
WOE = Way of Eating
WOL = Way of Life (Living)
OP = on Points or On Program
DH = Dear or Darling Husband
DS/DD/DGD/etc = Dear or Darling Son, Daughter, Granddaughter, etc
WI = Weigh-in

Amberle3's Challenges:

THTP - Take Heart, Take Part Exercise Challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/thtp.htm

RafL - Resolutions are for Losers Weight Loss Challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/rafl.htm


Other acronyms:
http://www.wwlissa.com/dwlz100+/100+acronyms.htm

Here's a short synopsis of the USA program by Joyce -

How many points you can eat is only based on your current weight, as
you
lose
weight those points allowed will decrease (logic is that your body will
need
less
to operate). At 183 pounds and based on the new US flexpoints system,
you
will
have a set point target of 24. In addition to this you are allowed 35
flexpoints
to be used throughout the week ... as well as any activity points you
earn
on a
particular day. When your weight drops to 175, your target drops to 22
points ...
weight reaches 150, target once again drop to 20 points. 3 servings of
dairy of
recommended per day, 5 servings of fruit and veggies, minimum of 6
glasses
of
water.

To calculate food and activity points, I love this computer desktop
calculator ...
http://www.zythra.com/downloads/points.exe

The basic plan is easy. Eat at least your minimum daily number of
points.
Points
do not carry over from day to day. You are allotted 35 weekly
flexpoints
to
be
used at your discretion ... can divide them up and use daily (would be
an
additional 5 points per day) or save them and use them for a special
occassion
during the week. Activity points are earned based when exercising, but
can
ONLY
be used on the day they are earned.

If you can afford $15/month, the online ww program might be a great
thing
for you
to look into. There is lots of information available, as well as the
food
point
database and journaling system.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 133.3
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Please note that if you live in onther countries (UK, Australia, NZ,
Europe), the Points plans are different. The UK and Australia/NZ
calculate
points based on saturated fat and total kilojoules. Most of Europe
calculates based on total fat and total kilojoules. The desktop
calculator
above can handle all of these programs.

Disclaimer: As an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, asdww is unusual in
that
most of the people who participate are respectful, considerate folks
who
freely share their experience with and knowledge of WW, weight loss,
and
maintenance. Yet occasionally, spammers, trolls, and flamers show up to
post
advertising, false information, insults, and the like. Nearly all of
the
time, people like this are just trying to yank someone's chain. Most of
the
regulars on this newsgroup offer their experience as a suggestion to
try
if
you're stuck, but are quick to advise that each person has to find what
works for him/herself. If someone posts something that doesn't sound
right
to you, ask the newsgroup, ask your WW leader, or ask your health
professional.

Much success on your weight loss journey! WW works!

--
Julie.
93.5/72.3/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg
205.7/159.0/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb

Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice:
http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

"skiur" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I'm new to this ng, but not new to dieting. I've needed to lose a
"few
pounds" my entire life. I want to change my WOE for a healthier
WOL-including exercise. I'm looking for a sustainable WOE. I've
done
Jenny
Craig, it was too expensive. In my mind, WW and JC were the same
thing
(I
understand that this was an old stereotype from years ago, but I'm
having
a
hard time differentiating the two).

In the past when I've changed my WOE, I've been very single-minded in
weightloss efforts and working out. The short version is that it was
too
difficult to maintain and I missed certain foods. It took me over 4
years
to get back to the weight where I started to LC. The weight gain
occurred
because I stopped paying attention to what I ate.

I know that following a WOE comes from within. I'm concerned that I
might
not stick with WW and I don't want to beat myself up for "wasting
money
on
yet another program". I'm too good at beating myself up for
"failing"
and
I
don't need to do that to myself.

My questions a
Other than registration fees and weekly meeting fees, what else do
you
have
to buy to start the program and how much is it (approximately)?
What happens at meetings other than the weekly weigh-in?
What types of topics are on offer for discussion?

Thanks for answering my questions.

Julie

dhv2 is all of 160lbs soaking wet. He'll either deal with the woe change or
not because he can purchase whatever he wants at work for lunch. He'll be a
good sport about it, he just doesn't know a whole lot about weight loss and
the issues that go with it. He's learning though, but it's a slow process.

The habits that I think will be the hardest to break a
a) getting over not being perfect
b) feeling guilty for not being perfect

Thanks. :-)



"Fred" wrote in message
...
Here, folks say, just move on. No guilt, just get back to basics and
the program which does work.

I noticed you mentioned dhv1 (G) - well, you cannot consider how or
what others eat - this is your program and you have to gain control.
If dhv2 does not have a weight problem, then you have to tackle yours
and let him eat what he can eat and get away with. Rabbit food
supplements the other items and is filling and healthy. Not that all
you can eat is rabbit food but check out points and watch how sauces
score or make that SOAR. Same with salad dressing for that rabbit
food. There are tricks but in the main, portion control, portion
control and portion control really is the trick.

Like some of the others I had lost weight in other ways - doing
healthy choice dinners and carnation instant breakfasts for lunch.
Well, I learned nothing about how much food and how to eat when I was
not sticking to that regime. I regained.

Not that this is absolutely simple. It is not. I'm not starving on
WW but there are those cravings and binge behaviors which has nothing
to do with need for food. It takes effort but it is worth it when I
hike and bike and ski. My joints really know the difference.

Good luck

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:49:51 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Fred,

Great job on your numbers!

I get really hung up about blowing it-I tend to blow it on occassion and
then I beat myself up. It's a habit I need to break.

Julie

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Welcome. Well, the others have probably covered it all in various
ways.

You eat NORMAL foods that you buy at any market. You just learn how
to portion it out so that you do not overeat. As was said, buying
premeasured/preweighed foods gives you no skill in managing portions
on your own. And if Jenny is intended to provide a kick or quick
start, WW does it my immediately immersing you in learning what to do
and how to do it. You also learn that blowing it on occasion is NOT
the end of the world or the end of WW - just restart at the next meal
or the next day or when the vacation ends.

It works acceptionally well and teachs you NORMAL eating patterns so
that your WOE and WOL match those of fit and healthy individuals.

WW works:

Fred
219.2/157.6/164.0 (Lifetime July 2003)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:51:48 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this ng, but not new to dieting. I've needed to lose a
"few
pounds" my entire life. I want to change my WOE for a healthier
WOL-including exercise. I'm looking for a sustainable WOE. I've done
Jenny
Craig, it was too expensive. In my mind, WW and JC were the same
thing
(I
understand that this was an old stereotype from years ago, but I'm
having
a
hard time differentiating the two).

In the past when I've changed my WOE, I've been very single-minded in
weightloss efforts and working out. The short version is that it was
too
difficult to maintain and I missed certain foods. It took me over 4
years
to get back to the weight where I started to LC. The weight gain
occurred
because I stopped paying attention to what I ate.

I know that following a WOE comes from within. I'm concerned that I
might
not stick with WW and I don't want to beat myself up for "wasting
money
on
yet another program". I'm too good at beating myself up for "failing"
and I
don't need to do that to myself.

My questions a
Other than registration fees and weekly meeting fees, what else do you
have
to buy to start the program and how much is it (approximately)?
What happens at meetings other than the weekly weigh-in?
What types of topics are on offer for discussion?

Thanks for answering my questions.

Julie

You can easily have dhv2 on the WW WOE without him losing weight. Just serve
him larger portions of the same food that you eat. Serving him lean
meats/chicken and fish with veggies & Potatoe/rice/pasta make for nice
foundation for healthy eating. He'll be eating healthy which in 10-15 years
down the road you'll both be thankful for when the potential for heart
trouble can show up.

How's his cholestrol and blood pressure? He might be at the right weight
with these problems too. Eating right now can help keep these issues under
control in the future.

"skiur" wrote in message
...
dhv2 is all of 160lbs soaking wet. He'll either deal with the woe change
or
not because he can purchase whatever he wants at work for lunch. He'll be
a
good sport about it, he just doesn't know a whole lot about weight loss
and
the issues that go with it. He's learning though, but it's a slow
process.

The habits that I think will be the hardest to break a
a) getting over not being perfect
b) feeling guilty for not being perfect

Thanks. :-)



"Fred" wrote in message
...
Here, folks say, just move on. No guilt, just get back to basics and
the program which does work.

I noticed you mentioned dhv1 (G) - well, you cannot consider how or
what others eat - this is your program and you have to gain control.
If dhv2 does not have a weight problem, then you have to tackle yours
and let him eat what he can eat and get away with. Rabbit food
supplements the other items and is filling and healthy. Not that all
you can eat is rabbit food but check out points and watch how sauces
score or make that SOAR. Same with salad dressing for that rabbit
food. There are tricks but in the main, portion control, portion
control and portion control really is the trick.

Like some of the others I had lost weight in other ways - doing
healthy choice dinners and carnation instant breakfasts for lunch.
Well, I learned nothing about how much food and how to eat when I was
not sticking to that regime. I regained.

Not that this is absolutely simple. It is not. I'm not starving on
WW but there are those cravings and binge behaviors which has nothing
to do with need for food. It takes effort but it is worth it when I
hike and bike and ski. My joints really know the difference.

Good luck

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:49:51 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Fred,

Great job on your numbers!

I get really hung up about blowing it-I tend to blow it on occassion
and
then I beat myself up. It's a habit I need to break.

Julie

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Welcome. Well, the others have probably covered it all in various
ways.

You eat NORMAL foods that you buy at any market. You just learn how
to portion it out so that you do not overeat. As was said, buying
premeasured/preweighed foods gives you no skill in managing portions
on your own. And if Jenny is intended to provide a kick or quick
start, WW does it my immediately immersing you in learning what to do
and how to do it. You also learn that blowing it on occasion is NOT
the end of the world or the end of WW - just restart at the next meal
or the next day or when the vacation ends.

It works acceptionally well and teachs you NORMAL eating patterns so
that your WOE and WOL match those of fit and healthy individuals.

WW works:

Fred
219.2/157.6/164.0 (Lifetime July 2003)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:51:48 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this ng, but not new to dieting. I've needed to lose a
"few
pounds" my entire life. I want to change my WOE for a healthier
WOL-including exercise. I'm looking for a sustainable WOE. I've
done
Jenny
Craig, it was too expensive. In my mind, WW and JC were the same
thing
(I
understand that this was an old stereotype from years ago, but I'm
having
a
hard time differentiating the two).

In the past when I've changed my WOE, I've been very single-minded
in
weightloss efforts and working out. The short version is that it
was
too
difficult to maintain and I missed certain foods. It took me over 4
years
to get back to the weight where I started to LC. The weight gain
occurred
because I stopped paying attention to what I ate.

I know that following a WOE comes from within. I'm concerned that I
might
not stick with WW and I don't want to beat myself up for "wasting
money
on
yet another program". I'm too good at beating myself up for
"failing"
and I
don't need to do that to myself.

My questions a
Other than registration fees and weekly meeting fees, what else do
you
have
to buy to start the program and how much is it (approximately)?
What happens at meetings other than the weekly weigh-in?
What types of topics are on offer for discussion?

Thanks for answering my questions.

Julie

I didn't do the jenny craig, but did successfully participate in the nutri-system
program many years ago. Same thing ... prepackaged cardboard food had to be
purchased, weekly meetings and weigh-ins had to be attended. I learned nothing
and the weight crept back on rather quickly as soon as I had to eat and prepare
store bought items. And I also was rather broke from the expense.

2 years ago I ventured onto the ww program, and haven't looked back since. I
don't go to meetings, I'm not a meeting type person (learned that while in
nutrisystems) - so joined the online ww program. For me it was the perfect
answer. Roughly $15/week and no extra food expense - family ate what I ate, I ate
what they did. I've learned how to eat healthier, found so many new foods that I
now love. WW program is really only a simplified method of counting calories, and
using common sense. Eat lower fat, lower calorie, higher fiber foods ... eat less
calories than you burn off, lose weight. It doesn't get much simpler than that.
And it IS something that can be followed for life, you just have to get it into
your mind that it is NOT a diet, it is a way of life. Diets end. What happens
when they end? We resume our old habits and spiral right back up to where we
began. WW doesn't end, you continue eating the same things you have throughout
the entire journey. You do add a small bit more to stop the losing process - but
the added food is still in the healthier forms of fruits, veggies, lean proteins.

That's the other thing I loved about ww ... I needed to buy absolutely no other
materials than household groceries. A food scale is nice, and I did splurge on
that - but it isn't mandatory. WW offers books filled with point values for
dining out or normal everyday foods. I had a friend pick them up for me, read
through them and set them aside .. I never used them again. Every bit of info I
needed was easily found on the internet ... for free.

There are many people in this forum who have not even paid so much as a ww
registration fee. They have done it all totally on their own, with info that has
been passed along here and info found on the internet. There are several good
free websites for journaling. You have to decide what YOU need to make it work
for you - that was the trickiest part for me.

Joyce

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:51:48 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this ng, but not new to dieting. I've needed to lose a "few
pounds" my entire life. I want to change my WOE for a healthier
WOL-including exercise. I'm looking for a sustainable WOE. I've done Jenny
Craig, it was too expensive. In my mind, WW and JC were the same thing (I
understand that this was an old stereotype from years ago, but I'm having a
hard time differentiating the two).

In the past when I've changed my WOE, I've been very single-minded in
weightloss efforts and working out. The short version is that it was too
difficult to maintain and I missed certain foods. It took me over 4 years
to get back to the weight where I started to LC. The weight gain occurred
because I stopped paying attention to what I ate.

I know that following a WOE comes from within. I'm concerned that I might
not stick with WW and I don't want to beat myself up for "wasting money on
yet another program". I'm too good at beating myself up for "failing" and I
don't need to do that to myself.

My questions a
Other than registration fees and weekly meeting fees, what else do you have
to buy to start the program and how much is it (approximately)?
What happens at meetings other than the weekly weigh-in?
What types of topics are on offer for discussion?

Thanks for answering my questions.

Julie

What I do, is eat half, and enjoy the other half as leftovers when I am
really hungry again.

"skiur" wrote in message
...
Right. I was cringing as to how many points favorite meals out are.


"Fred" wrote in message
...
If you want to control your weight and get to "normal" you do have to
face the fact that what were favorite foods will have to shrink in
portion sizes, at least. It is one of those adult moves we need to
deal with (G)

Best

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 07:55:17 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Great name!

Thank you for the newbie welcome. I saw the faq a bit earlier as I've
been
lurking for a few days, uncertain if I should speak-up. Everyone has
done a
great job with the FAQ, it's quite extensive. A friend at work told me
about Dottie's site and I was checking it out Friday night trying to
get
a
clue as to how many points were in my favorite foods. *cringe*

Julie

"JulieB" wrote in message
...
Hi Julie from another Julie! WW is a great program - there are even
a
lot
of people here who don't go to meetings (if that's not your thing),
so
it's
flexible enough to suit your lifestyle. Others have answered your
specific
questions, so I'll just add the official welcome notice. There's a
lot
of
good info in there too.

Welcome to this great newsgroup where you'll receive lots of support,
advice, and encouragement. Once a week on Sundays, I post a list of
links
that newcomers to asdww might find useful. You may want to look for
that
later in the week, or do a backwards search for last Sunday's post.

In the meantime, here's our FAQ:
http://www.didian.com/asdww/
our welcome notice:
http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

Frequently seen acronyms on this NG:
NSV = Non-Scale Victory
WOE = Way of Eating
WOL = Way of Life (Living)
OP = on Points or On Program
DH = Dear or Darling Husband
DS/DD/DGD/etc = Dear or Darling Son, Daughter, Granddaughter, etc
WI = Weigh-in

Amberle3's Challenges:

THTP - Take Heart, Take Part Exercise Challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/thtp.htm

RafL - Resolutions are for Losers Weight Loss Challenge:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/travelgirl/rafl.htm


Other acronyms:
http://www.wwlissa.com/dwlz100+/100+acronyms.htm

Here's a short synopsis of the USA program by Joyce -

How many points you can eat is only based on your current weight, as
you
lose
weight those points allowed will decrease (logic is that your body
will
need
less
to operate). At 183 pounds and based on the new US flexpoints
system,
you
will
have a set point target of 24. In addition to this you are allowed
35
flexpoints
to be used throughout the week ... as well as any activity points you
earn
on a
particular day. When your weight drops to 175, your target drops to
22
points ...
weight reaches 150, target once again drop to 20 points. 3 servings
of
dairy of
recommended per day, 5 servings of fruit and veggies, minimum of 6
glasses
of
water.

To calculate food and activity points, I love this computer desktop
calculator ...
http://www.zythra.com/downloads/points.exe

The basic plan is easy. Eat at least your minimum daily number of
points.
Points
do not carry over from day to day. You are allotted 35 weekly
flexpoints
to
be
used at your discretion ... can divide them up and use daily (would
be
an
additional 5 points per day) or save them and use them for a special
occassion
during the week. Activity points are earned based when exercising,
but
can
ONLY
be used on the day they are earned.

If you can afford $15/month, the online ww program might be a great
thing
for you
to look into. There is lots of information available, as well as the
food
point
database and journaling system.

Joyce
WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02
current weight: 133.3
Lifetime: 4/4/03

Please note that if you live in onther countries (UK, Australia, NZ,
Europe), the Points plans are different. The UK and Australia/NZ
calculate
points based on saturated fat and total kilojoules. Most of Europe
calculates based on total fat and total kilojoules. The desktop
calculator
above can handle all of these programs.

Disclaimer: As an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, asdww is unusual in
that
most of the people who participate are respectful, considerate folks
who
freely share their experience with and knowledge of WW, weight loss,
and
maintenance. Yet occasionally, spammers, trolls, and flamers show up
to
post
advertising, false information, insults, and the like. Nearly all of
the
time, people like this are just trying to yank someone's chain. Most
of
the
regulars on this newsgroup offer their experience as a suggestion to
try
if
you're stuck, but are quick to advise that each person has to find
what
works for him/herself. If someone posts something that doesn't sound
right
to you, ask the newsgroup, ask your WW leader, or ask your health
professional.

Much success on your weight loss journey! WW works!

--
Julie.
93.5/72.3/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg
205.7/159.0/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb

Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice:
http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

"skiur" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I'm new to this ng, but not new to dieting. I've needed to lose a
"few
pounds" my entire life. I want to change my WOE for a healthier
WOL-including exercise. I'm looking for a sustainable WOE. I've
done
Jenny
Craig, it was too expensive. In my mind, WW and JC were the same
thing
(I
understand that this was an old stereotype from years ago, but I'm
having
a
hard time differentiating the two).

In the past when I've changed my WOE, I've been very single-minded
in
weightloss efforts and working out. The short version is that it
was
too
difficult to maintain and I missed certain foods. It took me over
4
years
to get back to the weight where I started to LC. The weight gain
occurred
because I stopped paying attention to what I ate.

I know that following a WOE comes from within. I'm concerned that
I
might
not stick with WW and I don't want to beat myself up for "wasting
money
on
yet another program". I'm too good at beating myself up for
"failing"
and
I
don't need to do that to myself.

My questions a
Other than registration fees and weekly meeting fees, what else do
you
have
to buy to start the program and how much is it (approximately)?
What happens at meetings other than the weekly weigh-in?
What types of topics are on offer for discussion?

Thanks for answering my questions.

Julie

Ha, forever I lost the first 100 something in the 80's and maintained
around the 200's then the rest since Feb 2002

"skiur" wrote in message
...
Lesanne,

Congratulations! You've come a long way. How long have you been on your
journey?

I'm not a big fan of JC because of the aweful food and it being so
expensive. It just wasn't worth it to me. When I joined JC (ancient
history), I thought that was going to be it and I was going to lose
weight.
I did lose weight, but it was just too expensive and DH v.1 and I barely
had
the money for me to join and pay for the weekly foods, etc. I also had a
problem looking at what he was eating and feeling like my food was just
rabbit food.

Julie

"Lesanne" wrote in message
...
First I have to say the WW and JC are totally different. I ate many of
the
same foods on WW that I eat when I am eating exactly what I want to eat,
and
not on any sort of WOE, or plan of any kind. I did begin to eat more
like
I
Wanted to eat (nutritionally), but made room for my favorites as well,
just
not every day. I also have done every program there is, and find myself
now
209 pounds less than my heaviest ever weight, and going to meetings for
free
(on lifetime) when I need some extra motivation to stick with my healthy
lifestyle. That said...
My questions a
Other than registration fees and weekly meeting fees, what else do you
have
to buy to start the program and how much is it (approximately)?

**ZERO, nothing, nada. You may buy some other things if you wish to,
but
you can do the program perfectly well with the weekly meeting fee. I
used
to give myself little treats ( a new WW mug, a magazine, a bracelet )
when
I
lost 5 pounds.
What happens at meetings other than the weekly weigh-in?

****They teach tools for living, and share experiences. You learn how
other
people are succeeding and watch what messes other people up.
What types of topics are on offer for discussion?

All kinds of things. They have a whole program of stuff. Some of the
things that helped me this time, were making a storyboard (a picture
book
of
where I was going) formulating a winning outcome, all kinds of stuff.
Too
much to put here.
Thanks for answering my questions.

Anytime, I hope you join us !!

Lesanne
365/157.5/157.5

and the treatment of the topic can be vastly different depending on the
leader. Lee
Kathy Rip wrote in message
...
I was wondering if the topics change daily or weekly.

Weekly, because you only weigh in once a week. However once you weigh in
you
are welcome to attend as many meetings as you want that week. Each
meeting
will have the same topic but with different people there the discussions
will
certainly be different.

Kathy

the total time has gone extremely fast, there have been days, minutes in
fact that have gone v e r y slow... I have suffered less and eaten more on
this program than any other, and I have done everything except JC
nutrasystems was my box food event... Lee
skiur wrote in message
news
Lee,

That's wonderful! I'm amazed a the amount of progress that I see in what
I
consider a short time period. A year doesn't seem like a whole lot of
time
when you really think about it, but getting to that year is something
else.

Julie

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
first welcome to this group, You don't have to buy anything special to
work
the program, even though they do have some things that help some of us
in
our efforts. you should be able to save a bit if you commit to the ten
or
twelve week savings plan you get the meetings a bit cheaper. The food
is
what YOU want to purchase from your market. if you don't want to
purchase
more expensive items then don't. I actually think our overall food
expenses
have gone down, and I can tell you I have saved loads on not purchasing
stomach remedies. The topics at our meetings have covered everything
from
shoe size, to recipes, to new products to the fact that I wear A size
panty
hose. Our leaders are open to questions and comments. The general
topics,
the "lessons" if you will are on a cycle but our leaders at the center I
attend keep it fresh, some are, eating out, stress, goals, exercise,
nutrition/carbos/ fat and the like. binges, water, mother in laws and
pets
taking your food have all been talked about. I wish you the best, I
have
lost a total of 86.1 pounds since a year ago Sept 18 and all but 14.5
pounds
of that have been on WW and I will eat this way forever. It is not a
diet,
it is how I eat, Lee
skiur wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I'm new to this ng, but not new to dieting. I've needed to lose a
"few
pounds" my entire life. I want to change my WOE for a healthier
WOL-including exercise. I'm looking for a sustainable WOE. I've done
Jenny
Craig, it was too expensive. In my mind, WW and JC were the same
thing
(I
understand that this was an old stereotype from years ago, but I'm
having
a
hard time differentiating the two).

In the past when I've changed my WOE, I've been very single-minded in
weightloss efforts and working out. The short version is that it was
too
difficult to maintain and I missed certain foods. It took me over 4
years
to get back to the weight where I started to LC. The weight gain
occurred
because I stopped paying attention to what I ate.

I know that following a WOE comes from within. I'm concerned that I
might
not stick with WW and I don't want to beat myself up for "wasting
money
on
yet another program". I'm too good at beating myself up for "failing"
and
I
don't need to do that to myself.

My questions a
Other than registration fees and weekly meeting fees, what else do you
have
to buy to start the program and how much is it (approximately)?
What happens at meetings other than the weekly weigh-in?
What types of topics are on offer for discussion?

Thanks for answering my questions.

Julie