Strongly Considering WW, have questions

When you have an issue, say like too much alcohol, you can totally stop that
or smoking. Then you deal with the emotional baggage that goes with such a
habit. The problem with the "perfect" thing is that that is the issue, and
it makes you do stupid things. Knowing this, I decided to channel it in
such a way as to benefit me for a change instead of allowing it to set me up
so I could beat myself up. And on another point, I think that all of these
pre-plans are what helped me thus far. It is why I tell others it is just
fine if you are not ready to lose yet. Sometimes it is better not to start
till you are ready, Lee
Lesanne wrote in message
...
I do this too, or did during the loss phase. As long as I am below goal
these days I am lazy about it.
If I gain a pound or two, I go back to writing, and it goes away.

"skiur" wrote in message
...
That's an idea. I think I could be perfect about writing in the journal
and
keeping to that. Let me mull that one over.

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
I have that perfect issue, I just focused on keeping my journal as the
thing
to be perfect in, that and attending meetings. So now if I choose
wrong
or
eat too much that is fine as long as I write it down, make an honest
effort
to figure the points and go to WI to record the effort. Takes the
pressure
off of having to lose every week or not over eating or eating "bad"
things... Just this change makes it easier somehow not to feel
deprived
and
therefore not as likely to do the overeating, Hope that all makes
sense,
Lee
skiur wrote in message
...
dhv2 is all of 160lbs soaking wet. He'll either deal with the woe
change
or
not because he can purchase whatever he wants at work for lunch.
He'll
be
a
good sport about it, he just doesn't know a whole lot about weight
loss
and
the issues that go with it. He's learning though, but it's a slow
process.

The habits that I think will be the hardest to break a
a) getting over not being perfect
b) feeling guilty for not being perfect

Thanks. :-)



"Fred" wrote in message
...
Here, folks say, just move on. No guilt, just get back to basics
and
the program which does work.

I noticed you mentioned dhv1 (G) - well, you cannot consider how
or
what others eat - this is your program and you have to gain
control.
If dhv2 does not have a weight problem, then you have to tackle
yours
and let him eat what he can eat and get away with. Rabbit food
supplements the other items and is filling and healthy. Not that
all
you can eat is rabbit food but check out points and watch how
sauces
score or make that SOAR. Same with salad dressing for that rabbit
food. There are tricks but in the main, portion control, portion
control and portion control really is the trick.

Like some of the others I had lost weight in other ways - doing
healthy choice dinners and carnation instant breakfasts for lunch.
Well, I learned nothing about how much food and how to eat when I
was
not sticking to that regime. I regained.

Not that this is absolutely simple. It is not. I'm not starving
on
WW but there are those cravings and binge behaviors which has
nothing
to do with need for food. It takes effort but it is worth it when
I
hike and bike and ski. My joints really know the difference.

Good luck

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:49:51 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Fred,

Great job on your numbers!

I get really hung up about blowing it-I tend to blow it on
occassion
and
then I beat myself up. It's a habit I need to break.

Julie

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Welcome. Well, the others have probably covered it all in
various
ways.

You eat NORMAL foods that you buy at any market. You just
learn
how
to portion it out so that you do not overeat. As was said,
buying
premeasured/preweighed foods gives you no skill in managing
portions
on your own. And if Jenny is intended to provide a kick or
quick
start, WW does it my immediately immersing you in learning what
to
do
and how to do it. You also learn that blowing it on occasion
is
NOT
the end of the world or the end of WW - just restart at the
next
meal
or the next day or when the vacation ends.

It works acceptionally well and teachs you NORMAL eating
patterns
so
that your WOE and WOL match those of fit and healthy
individuals.

WW works:

Fred
219.2/157.6/164.0 (Lifetime July 2003)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:51:48 -0600, "skiur"

wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this ng, but not new to dieting. I've needed to
lose
a
"few
pounds" my entire life. I want to change my WOE for a
healthier
WOL-including exercise. I'm looking for a sustainable WOE.
I've
done
Jenny
Craig, it was too expensive. In my mind, WW and JC were the
same
thing
(I
understand that this was an old stereotype from years ago, but
I'm
having
a
hard time differentiating the two).

In the past when I've changed my WOE, I've been very
single-minded
in
weightloss efforts and working out. The short version is that
it
was
too
difficult to maintain and I missed certain foods. It took me
over
4
years
to get back to the weight where I started to LC. The weight
gain
occurred
because I stopped paying attention to what I ate.

I know that following a WOE comes from within. I'm concerned
that
I
might
not stick with WW and I don't want to beat myself up for
"wasting
money
on
yet another program". I'm too good at beating myself up for
"failing"
and I
don't need to do that to myself.

My questions a
Other than registration fees and weekly meeting fees, what
else
do
you
have
to buy to start the program and how much is it
(approximately)?
What happens at meetings other than the weekly weigh-in?
What types of topics are on offer for discussion?

Thanks for answering my questions.

Julie

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:18:43 -0600, Prairie Roots
wrote:

Or, the only way to fail is to quit.

Now that makes a lot of sense.

Ray
--
rmnsuk
overall - 273/207/182

There are many people in this forum who have not even paid so much as a ww
registration fee. They have done it all totally on their own, with info that has
been passed along here and info found on the internet. There are several good
free websites for journaling. You have to decide what YOU need to make it work
for you - that was the trickiest part for me.

I'm one of those that has done it without WW. But the info and support
from this newsgroup has been absolutely invaluable. I don't think I
would have come so far without the nice people here. Theres enough
information for free on t he web but it takes some finding and it's
all different and contradictory.
Basically there is only one way - eat less exercise more.
The trick is to find a way to do this that works for you.

Good luck

Ray
--
rmnsuk
overall - 273/207/182

There have been studies done that are now showing that cholesterol readings are
very much a heriditary issue, more than weight related. My youngest daughter, who
happens to be the thinnest in the family (105 soaking wet) is an extremely healthy
eater. She eats very little meat, usually only an ounce or two at a meal and I
have to push to get that in. She loves her veggies, opts for salsa for snacks -
doesn't like candy or chips. Eats wheat bread instead of white bread. Her
cholesterol is high already and suggestions of a low fat diet are out the window
as she has nowhere to lower it. She seems to get it from her dad. I also have a
friend who is a retired policeman, very thin and athletic, very healthy eater,
very high cholesterol that hasn't even been able to be controlled with meds. So
it really isn't very odd that your hub may be thin and have high cholesterol. If
you think it might be though, having him eating the ww food that you prefer (lower
fat, healthier, higher fiber food) will definitely help to put him on the right
track before a problem might occur.

Joyce

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:04:08 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

I'm not sure about his bp or chol...he has it checked every two years or so
due to his health plan at work. I think his cholesterol may be a bit on the
high side (which is funny considering I'm the heavy one and mine is in the
180s).

Julie


"Laura" wrote in message
...
You can easily have dhv2 on the WW WOE without him losing weight. Just
serve
him larger portions of the same food that you eat. Serving him lean
meats/chicken and fish with veggies & Potatoe/rice/pasta make for nice
foundation for healthy eating. He'll be eating healthy which in 10-15
years
down the road you'll both be thankful for when the potential for heart
trouble can show up.

How's his cholestrol and blood pressure? He might be at the right weight
with these problems too. Eating right now can help keep these issues under
control in the future.

"skiur" wrote in message
...
dhv2 is all of 160lbs soaking wet. He'll either deal with the woe
change
or
not because he can purchase whatever he wants at work for lunch. He'll
be
a
good sport about it, he just doesn't know a whole lot about weight loss
and
the issues that go with it. He's learning though, but it's a slow
process.

The habits that I think will be the hardest to break a
a) getting over not being perfect
b) feeling guilty for not being perfect

Thanks. :-)



"Fred" wrote in message
...
Here, folks say, just move on. No guilt, just get back to basics and
the program which does work.

I noticed you mentioned dhv1 (G) - well, you cannot consider how or
what others eat - this is your program and you have to gain control.
If dhv2 does not have a weight problem, then you have to tackle yours
and let him eat what he can eat and get away with. Rabbit food
supplements the other items and is filling and healthy. Not that all
you can eat is rabbit food but check out points and watch how sauces
score or make that SOAR. Same with salad dressing for that rabbit
food. There are tricks but in the main, portion control, portion
control and portion control really is the trick.

Like some of the others I had lost weight in other ways - doing
healthy choice dinners and carnation instant breakfasts for lunch.
Well, I learned nothing about how much food and how to eat when I was
not sticking to that regime. I regained.

Not that this is absolutely simple. It is not. I'm not starving on
WW but there are those cravings and binge behaviors which has nothing
to do with need for food. It takes effort but it is worth it when I
hike and bike and ski. My joints really know the difference.

Good luck

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:49:51 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Fred,

Great job on your numbers!

I get really hung up about blowing it-I tend to blow it on occassion
and
then I beat myself up. It's a habit I need to break.

Julie

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Welcome. Well, the others have probably covered it all in various
ways.

You eat NORMAL foods that you buy at any market. You just learn
how
to portion it out so that you do not overeat. As was said, buying
premeasured/preweighed foods gives you no skill in managing
portions
on your own. And if Jenny is intended to provide a kick or quick
start, WW does it my immediately immersing you in learning what to
do
and how to do it. You also learn that blowing it on occasion is
NOT
the end of the world or the end of WW - just restart at the next
meal
or the next day or when the vacation ends.

It works acceptionally well and teachs you NORMAL eating patterns
so
that your WOE and WOL match those of fit and healthy individuals.

WW works:

Fred
219.2/157.6/164.0 (Lifetime July 2003)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:51:48 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this ng, but not new to dieting. I've needed to lose a
"few
pounds" my entire life. I want to change my WOE for a healthier
WOL-including exercise. I'm looking for a sustainable WOE. I've
done
Jenny
Craig, it was too expensive. In my mind, WW and JC were the same
thing
(I
understand that this was an old stereotype from years ago, but I'm
having
a
hard time differentiating the two).

In the past when I've changed my WOE, I've been very single-minded
in
weightloss efforts and working out. The short version is that it
was
too
difficult to maintain and I missed certain foods. It took me over
4
years
to get back to the weight where I started to LC. The weight gain
occurred
because I stopped paying attention to what I ate.

I know that following a WOE comes from within. I'm concerned that
I
might
not stick with WW and I don't want to beat myself up for "wasting
money
on
yet another program". I'm too good at beating myself up for
"failing"
and I
don't need to do that to myself.

My questions a
Other than registration fees and weekly meeting fees, what else do
you
have
to buy to start the program and how much is it (approximately)?
What happens at meetings other than the weekly weigh-in?
What types of topics are on offer for discussion?

Thanks for answering my questions.

Julie

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:57:20 GMT, ray miller wrote:

There are many people in this forum who have not even paid so much as a ww
registration fee. They have done it all totally on their own, with info that has
been passed along here and info found on the internet. There are several good
free websites for journaling. You have to decide what YOU need to make it work
for you - that was the trickiest part for me.

I'm one of those that has done it without WW. But the info and support
from this newsgroup has been absolutely invaluable. I don't think I
would have come so far without the nice people here. Theres enough
information for free on t he web but it takes some finding and it's
all different and contradictory.
Basically there is only one way - eat less exercise more.
The trick is to find a way to do this that works for you.

Good luck

Ray

Very good point Ray! I also would never have been as succesful as I have been
without the aid and support of this group. I am so glad that a friend gently
pointed me in this direction. It was what finally helped to give me the
confidence to give ww a fair try. Knowing I wasn't alone in the struggle really
helped.

Joyce

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:57:20 GMT, ray miller
wrote:

There are many people in this forum who have not even paid so much as a ww
registration fee. They have done it all totally on their own, with info that has
been passed along here and info found on the internet. There are several good
free websites for journaling. You have to decide what YOU need to make it work
for you - that was the trickiest part for me.

I'm one of those that has done it without WW. But the info and support
from this newsgroup has been absolutely invaluable.

I'm following the WW plan, but I've never been to a meeting in my
life. I got the basic plan from a friend and have done it on my own,
with the help of my husband and this group. I've lost about 80lbs, 36
kilos. I've been struggling for a while but as long as I don't give
up, then I will get there.

I highly recommend WW. It's easy to follow and makes sense, and can be
as cheap or as expensive as you want it to be. Good luck :-)
--
Erin in NZ
125/89/75 kgs
275.3/196/165 lbs

RafL goal 180.6lbs (82 kilos)

"It is not the mountain we conquer, it is ourselves"
Sir Edmund Hilary