A Guilt-Ridden Valentines Day

"Bazooka-Joe" wrote in message
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George wrote:
This problem is bound to happen if you continue to desire fattening
foods.
Reject the WW philosophy of "a little is ok." Instead, convince yourself
those foods are poisonous and stay away from them entirely. In fact,
they
WILL kill you in sufficient quantity. It's a simple black-white mental
adjustment. Absolutely stay away - you don't want those foods. Aren't
the
stakes high enough for you?


Switch to decaf George.

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| *Bazooka-Joe* |
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| 232.2 / 220.4 / 209(WW) / 32" waiste (Personal) |
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LOL
You're doing a great job so far! Glad you aren't taking the extraneous
noise too seriously
--
the volleyballchick

Nunya B. wrote:
"Bazooka-Joe" wrote in message
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George wrote:
This problem is bound to happen if you continue to desire fattening
foods.
Reject the WW philosophy of "a little is ok." Instead, convince yourself
those foods are poisonous and stay away from them entirely. In fact,
they
WILL kill you in sufficient quantity. It's a simple black-white mental
adjustment. Absolutely stay away - you don't want those foods. Aren't
the
stakes high enough for you?


Switch to decaf George.

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| *Bazooka-Joe* |
| |
| 232.2 / 220.4 / 209(WW) / 32" waiste (Personal) |
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LOL
You're doing a great job so far!

Thanks.

Glad you aren't taking the extraneous
noise too seriously

Not a chance. I may be new to WW but I recognize an extremist radical
surfing for reactions (aka "troll") when I see one. What I'm doing is
working. I'm becoming happier and healthier with my weight loss every
day.

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Glad you aren't taking the extraneous
noise too seriously

Not a chance. I may be new to WW but I recognize an extremist radical
surfing for reactions (aka "troll") when I see one. What I'm doing is
working. I'm becoming happier and healthier with my weight loss every
day.

Well, that's great! Everything is under control. I must have misunderstood
when you wrote:

"I blew it though. I know I blew it. What was I thinking."

Does being the only one here without a weight problem make me extremist? I
suppose that's one way of looking at it.

"Tell_it_like_it_is." wrote in message
et...
Does being the only one here without a weight problem make me extremist?
I suppose that's one way of looking at it.

Nope, just another sock puppet.
--
the volleyballchick

Bazooka-Joe"
George wrote:
This problem is bound to happen if you continue to desire fattening foods.
Reject the WW philosophy of "a little is ok." Instead, convince yourself
those foods are poisonous and stay away from them entirely. In fact, they
WILL kill you in sufficient quantity. It's a simple black-white mental
adjustment. Absolutely stay away - you don't want those foods. Aren't the
stakes high enough for you?

Joe says:
Switch to decaf George.

Les laughs a lot. I am so healthy. I so eat a big giant fried onion ring every year on my birthday, right before the moderate piece of chocolate cake. I so did it and still stayed on program the two years before I got to MAINTENANCE. WW philosophy of moderation SO works. Poisonous my rear end (my LITTLE rear end). Anybody want to compare blood work? Anyone want to come do the 110 minute extreme intervals plus pump party video with me at my house? I don't continue to "desire fattening foods" but I continue to eat any and every thing that I see that looks good as a part of a generally balanced healthy diet.

"Lesanne" wrote in message ...
Bazooka-Joe"
George wrote:
This problem is bound to happen if you continue to desire fattening foods.
Reject the WW philosophy of "a little is ok." Instead, convince yourself
those foods are poisonous and stay away from them entirely. In fact, they
WILL kill you in sufficient quantity. It's a simple black-white mental
adjustment. Absolutely stay away - you don't want those foods. Aren't the
stakes high enough for you?

Joe says:
Switch to decaf George.

Les laughs a lot. I am so healthy. I so eat a big giant fried onion ring every year on my birthday, right before the moderate piece of chocolate cake. I so did it and still stayed on program the two years before I got to MAINTENANCE. WW philosophy of moderation SO works. Poisonous my rear end (my LITTLE rear end). Anybody want to compare blood work? Anyone want to come do the 110 minute extreme intervals plus pump party video with me at my house? I don't continue to "desire fattening foods" but I continue to eat any and every thing that I see that looks good as a part of a generally balanced healthy diet.


You should be proud that you achieved your goal, as I'm sure you are. Unfortunately, seriously overweight people aren't in your situation. Moderation teaches that the worst foods are desirable treats, so it doesn't work reliably. People on this "plan" go through splurges and self-recrimination as well as on-off dieting all their lives. What works for EVERYBODY, however, is abstinence from the most harmful foods, together with overall sensible eating. Abstinence from certain foods can seem impossibly hard for some, but it needn't be with the right attitude.

George's sock puppet "Tell_it_like_it_is." wrote
in message t...

You should be proud that you achieved your goal, as I'm sure you are.
Unfortunately, seriously overweight people aren't in your situation.
Moderation teaches that the worst foods are desirable treats, so it
doesn't work reliably. People on this "plan" go through splurges and
self-recrimination as well as on-off dieting all their lives. What works
for EVERYBODY, however, is abstinence from the most harmful foods,
together with overall sensible eating. Abstinence from certain foods can
seem impossibly hard for some, but it needn't be with the right attitude.

Hey George's sock puppet, where are your citations for these alleged facts?
I was a seriously overweight person, at least if you consider a 5'5" 317 lb
female seriously overweight (I do). Now I'm not. I've been able to
maintain the majority of my loss just as Lesanne said - with occasional
decadence and everything in moderation. You also don't define harmful foods.
Due to some of my digestive problems, protein and fat can be harmful to me
at times.

People on this PLAN are scientifically researched to be at least 3 times
more successful in losing weight and keeping it off longer than any other
type of diet. Deprivation diets don't work for most people and instead are
a leading cause of eating disorders like binge eating and bulimia. My cite
for that is any publication by Dr. Christopher Fairburn, an expert in the
field.

In the book "Thin for Life," an actual researched publication, the author
found that most people who lost weight and kept it of for years practice
moderation.

Your approach is too simplistic and unrealistic and definitely uninformed.
As I've said before, your lack of knowledge on the actual subject is glaring
and taking any kind of dieting advice from you would be akin to taking
advice from you on dealing with severe menstrual cramps.

NOTHING works for EVERYBODY.

Here's a little tidbit I found online that pretty much agrees with me and
not you, especially the marked ones. It's from the Cleveland Clinic -
another research organization I'd trust for diet advice before I'd go
listening to a guy who has to post under various names just to make it look
like someone actually agrees with him:

How Do I Spot a Fad Diet?
While there is no set approach to identifying a fad diet, many have the
following characteristics:

a.. Recommendations that promise a quick fix
b.. ********Dire warnings of dangers from a single product or regimen
***********
c.. Claims that sound too good to be true
d.. Simplistic conclusions drawn from a complex study
e.. Recommendations based on a single study
f.. Dramatic statements that are refuted by reputable scientific
organizations
g.. *********Lists of "good" and "bad" foods ********* (substitute
"harmful" for "bad")
h.. Recommendations made to help sell a product
i.. Recommendations based on studies published without review by other
researchers
j.. Recommendations from studies that ignore differences among individuals
or groups ***********
k.. Eliminated one or more of the five food groups
Devoting yourself to a lifestyle that includes regular exercise and eating a
proper diet with *****moderate portions***** is still the best method to
lose weight and to keep it off. Most people who make the change from a
typical high-fat diet and sedentary lifestyle to one that follows a diet
based on the recommended food pyramid will slowly and safely lose weight.

Full text he http://www.webmd.com/content/article/46/2731_1667
--
the volleyballchick

"Tell it like it isn't says"
"You should be proud that you achieved your goal, as I'm sure you are. Unfortunately, seriously overweight people aren't in your situation. Moderation teaches that the worst foods are desirable treats, so it doesn't work reliably. People on this "plan" go through splurges and self-recrimination as well as on-off dieting all their lives. What works for EVERYBODY, however, is abstinence from the most harmful foods, together with overall sensible eating. Abstinence from certain foods can seem impossibly hard for some, but it needn't be with the right attitude."

Les replies: My top weight was 365 pounds. That may have been "seriously overweight". I have been at goal weight now for 30 months. I lost the weight eating moderate amounts of "the most harmful foods" on an occational basis, and I continue to do so today. NOTHING WORKS FOR EVERYBODY, including abstinence from "harmful" foods. And frankly, a little of pretty much anything on an occational basis is not harmful. People with serious eating disorders can recover, in my case with therapy and hard work. If I try to deny myself certain foods, I tend to get a rebellious urge to overeat. Allowing myself to live in the real world and have moderate amounts of such things keeps me sane, happy and at goal weight.

You betcha.
--
Lesanne
"Nunya B." wrote in message
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George's sock puppet "Tell_it_like_it_is." wrote
in message t...

You should be proud that you achieved your goal, as I'm sure you are.
Unfortunately, seriously overweight people aren't in your situation.
Moderation teaches that the worst foods are desirable treats, so it
doesn't work reliably. People on this "plan" go through splurges and
self-recrimination as well as on-off dieting all their lives. What
works for EVERYBODY, however, is abstinence from the most harmful foods,
together with overall sensible eating. Abstinence from certain foods
can seem impossibly hard for some, but it needn't be with the right
attitude.

Hey George's sock puppet, where are your citations for these alleged
facts? I was a seriously overweight person, at least if you consider a
5'5" 317 lb female seriously overweight (I do). Now I'm not. I've been
able to maintain the majority of my loss just as Lesanne said - with
occasional decadence and everything in moderation. You also don't define
harmful foods. Due to some of my digestive problems, protein and fat can
be harmful to me at times.

People on this PLAN are scientifically researched to be at least 3 times
more successful in losing weight and keeping it off longer than any other
type of diet. Deprivation diets don't work for most people and instead
are a leading cause of eating disorders like binge eating and bulimia. My
cite for that is any publication by Dr. Christopher Fairburn, an expert in
the field.

In the book "Thin for Life," an actual researched publication, the author
found that most people who lost weight and kept it of for years practice
moderation.

Your approach is too simplistic and unrealistic and definitely uninformed.
As I've said before, your lack of knowledge on the actual subject is
glaring and taking any kind of dieting advice from you would be akin to
taking advice from you on dealing with severe menstrual cramps.

NOTHING works for EVERYBODY.

Here's a little tidbit I found online that pretty much agrees with me and
not you, especially the marked ones. It's from the Cleveland Clinic -
another research organization I'd trust for diet advice before I'd go
listening to a guy who has to post under various names just to make it
look like someone actually agrees with him:

How Do I Spot a Fad Diet?
While there is no set approach to identifying a fad diet, many have the
following characteristics:

a.. Recommendations that promise a quick fix
b.. ********Dire warnings of dangers from a single product or regimen
***********
c.. Claims that sound too good to be true
d.. Simplistic conclusions drawn from a complex study
e.. Recommendations based on a single study
f.. Dramatic statements that are refuted by reputable scientific
organizations
g.. *********Lists of "good" and "bad" foods ********* (substitute
"harmful" for "bad")
h.. Recommendations made to help sell a product
i.. Recommendations based on studies published without review by other
researchers
j.. Recommendations from studies that ignore differences among
individuals or groups ***********
k.. Eliminated one or more of the five food groups
Devoting yourself to a lifestyle that includes regular exercise and eating
a proper diet with *****moderate portions***** is still the best method to
lose weight and to keep it off. Most people who make the change from a
typical high-fat diet and sedentary lifestyle to one that follows a diet
based on the recommended food pyramid will slowly and safely lose weight.

Full text he http://www.webmd.com/content/article/46/2731_1667
--
the volleyballchick

care friend, he might take you up on it then you wouldn't be able to buy the cake as the exterminator bill would be quite high I fear, Lee
Lesanne wrote in message ...
Bazooka-Joe"
George wrote:
This problem is bound to happen if you continue to desire fattening foods.
Reject the WW philosophy of "a little is ok." Instead, convince yourself
those foods are poisonous and stay away from them entirely. In fact, they
WILL kill you in sufficient quantity. It's a simple black-white mental
adjustment. Absolutely stay away - you don't want those foods. Aren't the
stakes high enough for you?

Joe says:
Switch to decaf George.

Les laughs a lot. I am so healthy. I so eat a big giant fried onion ring every year on my birthday, right before the moderate piece of chocolate cake. I so did it and still stayed on program the two years before I got to MAINTENANCE. WW philosophy of moderation SO works. Poisonous my rear end (my LITTLE rear end). Anybody want to compare blood work? Anyone want to come do the 110 minute extreme intervals plus pump party video with me at my house? I don't continue to "desire fattening foods" but I continue to eat any and every thing that I see that looks good as a part of a generally balanced healthy diet.