need info of pro and con of stomach surgery

"Wendy" wrote in message
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In alt.support.diet Ignoramus17103
wrote:

Wendy, you posted numerous messages about how you were so upset that
your kids could eat giant sundaes at a movie theater (or some such)
and you could not etc. And how you were tired of being on a diet while
others were eating recreationally.

You did not eat the sundae and you wanted the world to know just how
hard it was.

Now you are suggesting that you never use willpower... I think
something is fishy here!

You missed the point. The entire thread was about facing the hidden costs
of losing fat: looking them in the eye and identifying them so they don't
undermine me.

I did not feel tempted to eat the ice cream. In fact, it didn't occur to
me. No, I felt regret that this choice, the choice to care about my
looks, meant that eating ice cream sundaes couldn't be a form of
entertainment for me anymore. My decision has resulted in the loss of a
part of me: the unrestrained eater. Fact is, I wouldn't have enjoyed if I
ate it: I would have been thinking about the costs of eating it the whole
time!

My decision means severely limiting recreational foods just for
recreation. And that is what I did on that occasion (and many, many
others). But it wasn't willpower, it was a natural consequence of my
decision.

Today I took my daughter to a fine chocolate store for a special occasion
of hers. I let her pick out a 1/2 pound of chocolate. I had a single
piece of dark chocolate covered ginger. Yes, it was for recreation. But
it was a very modest amount of calories for a very large amount of
recreation. (Yum!)

I didn't use willpower to not buy everything in the store, I used the
circumstances of my life. I don't want to be fat. Eating a pound of
chocolate would (through amazing fat-lady mechanics) put five pounds back
on my hips. Therefore I don't choose to do it. I also didn't choose to
do it because I don't have enough money to buy the whole place out. I
didn't use willpower to resist putting it all my credit card, now did
I? It was just a logical way of acting.

Wendy

I couldn't agree with you more on this one. The only people who need to
totally refrain from an occasional treat are those who feel like they
wouldn't be able to control themselves in the situation. There are some
sugar-free people who really do have a bad reaction to sugar and sweet
stuff. If I were to have pasta in my house I would obsess over it for hours
or days until it was gone. That doesn't mean I'll never eat pasta, but
instead I will only eat it when I'm out. On the other hand, if I had a
piece of candy or something with sugar, I'd go nuts because it's something I
hardly ever ate at home, just when I was out. The good thing is that
chocolate coffee syrup made with splenda doesn't seem to trigger the same
reaction so I have been enjoying chocolate flavor without the sugar.

Like you said, we all have to know our limitations and make our decisions
wisely. A little recreational eating with some common sense behind it is
good for the soul

Jenn

... son to have stomach surgery to lose weight.

In many cases excess weight is an indicator of improper diet and/or
insufficient physical activity. Have both of these been addressed?
What is his typical diet currently?
What is his level of physical activity currently?

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:31:03 -0500, "Julianne"
wrote:

I have worked with docs for years and I have the utmost respect for the
profession. I am not one of those nurses who thinks that docs are evil and
that none are as smart as we are.

A good doc who puts up a web site to promote his surgical skills will follow
certain ethical guidelines. But, even then, the doc wants to sell you
something. There is nothing wrong with this. We all pretty much sell
ourselves for a living but when was the last time you read a resume that
highlighted flaws in a person's work history rather than accomplishments.

On the flip side, there are some horror stories. I do not doubt for a
minute their veracity but I do not think that those results are typical.

I saw a lightweight documentary on long term weight loss a while ago. They
explored three people who lost weight, one of whom did the bypass surgery.
It was successful. What impressed me was the intense nutrition counseling
before and after the procedure. A psychological exam was also done. The
lifestyle changes are enormous even with the help of surgery.

Questions to ask the doc:

How many of these procedures have you done?
What is the rate of complications?
What is the rate of death?
What kind of pre-surgical care is given?
What kind of post-surgical care is offered?
Is there a support group of former patients with whom you may visit?
What is covered with the cost of surgery? Anesthesia? All meds? Sometimes
there are hidden charges.




"Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr." wrote in message
.. .
My sister is thinking of paying for her son to have stomach surgery to
lose weight. He is an adult with children. I am telling her to get
both sides of the debate, but she feels the doctor's site is enough
information. I would appreciate any feedback or websites that would
help me give her more information.

Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr.
Lubbock, Texas



Just got an email from my sister with more info on Chris's scheduled
procedure. It is gastric bypass. Dr. Simper is the physician that is
going to do the procedure. Here is the doctors' website.

http://www.utahbariatrics.com/oss.shtml

Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr.
Lubbock, Texas
kinserlow at hotmail dot com

On 19 Oct 2003 18:37:41 -0700, (jaym1212) wrote:

... son to have stomach surgery to lose weight.

In many cases excess weight is an indicator of improper diet and/or
insufficient physical activity. Have both of these been addressed?
What is his typical diet currently?
What is his level of physical activity currently?

I have no idea and he is my nephew, not my son. He lives in Utah and
we have infrequent contact via email. I know he started Atkin's and I
sent him some encouragement since that diet worked for me. The next
thing I hear from my sister is that he has given up on diets
altogether and is wanting to try surgery.

Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr.
Lubbock, Texas
kinserlow at hotmail dot com