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This seems interesting....
http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080 2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590 |
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![]() "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... This seems interesting.... http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080 2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590 http://tinyurl.com/yr8cw for article. |
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Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³ wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message :: ... ::: This seems interesting.... ::: ::: :: http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080 ::: 2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590 ::: :: :: http://tinyurl.com/yr8cw for article. when you place a link inside the you can just click on it within your browser...no need to cut and paste.... I got that tidbit from someone here in this newsgroup just today.... tinyurl's expire... |
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![]() "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³ wrote: :: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message :: ... ::: This seems interesting.... ::: ::: :: http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080 ::: 2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590 ::: :: :: http://tinyurl.com/yr8cw for article. when you place a link inside the you can just click on it within your browser...no need to cut and paste.... I got that tidbit from someone here in this newsgroup just today.... tinyurl's expire... It did not work for me. I'm using IE 6. |
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Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³ wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message :: ... ::: Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³ wrote: ::::: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ::::: ... :::::: This seems interesting.... :::::: :::::: ::::: ::: :: http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080 :::::: 2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590 :::::: ::::: ::::: http://tinyurl.com/yr8cw for article. ::: ::: when you place a link inside the you can just click on it within ::: your browser...no need to cut and paste.... ::: ::: I got that tidbit from someone here in this newsgroup just today.... ::: ::: tinyurl's expire... :: :: It did not work for me. I'm using IE 6. Me too....and it works here!?! |
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"Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³" wrote in
: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... (quoting someone whose citation I've lost). when you place a link inside the you can just click on it within your browser...no need to cut and paste.... I got that tidbit from someone here in this newsgroup just today.... tinyurl's expire... It did not work for me. I'm using IE 6. I don't think it works for URL's that wrap. You get the same problem. It's my understanding that tinyurl does not retire any of its URLs. Has that changed? Chakolate -- You might as well fall flat on your face as lean over too far backward. --James Thurber |
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Chakolate wrote:
:: "Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³" wrote in :: : :: ::: ::: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ::: ... :: (quoting someone whose citation I've lost). :::: :::: when you place a link inside the you can just click on it within :::: your browser...no need to cut and paste.... :::: :::: I got that tidbit from someone here in this newsgroup just :::: today.... :::: :::: tinyurl's expire... ::: ::: It did not work for me. I'm using IE 6. :: :: I don't think it works for URL's that wrap. You get the same :: problem. that's what its for (supposedly). Did you try it? :: :: It's my understanding that tinyurl does not retire any of its URLs. :: Has that changed? It's my understanding that they do. Is that not true? |
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Roger,
Interesting sounding, but the description of the study made it unclear to me what was really happening. How did they add the extra protein? Were they eating packaged foods supplied by the study as happens in some nutritional studies? Were they eating whatever they wanted? The original diet is described only as "extremely low calorie" with no indication of the nutritional breakdown and whether it lead to cannibalisation of the dieter's own body protein. The diet was also very short, only a couple weeks. Generalizing from this study to what happens when low carbers go off their diet, might be a mistake. The effect of eating a lot of carbohydrate after a long period of carb restriction might result in a much bigger weight gain no matter how much protein intake accompanies it. We could only know if a study was done with long term (not 3 week) low carb dieters. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... This seems interesting.... http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080 2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590 |
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"Jenny" wrote in
: Interesting sounding, but the description of the study made it unclear to me what was really happening. How did they add the extra protein? Were they eating packaged foods supplied by the study as happens in some nutritional studies? Were they eating whatever they wanted? If you follow the link at the bottom of the page labelled full text, you get answers to most of your questions: (quote) To one of the groups, 48.2 g additional protein/day was provided as one sachet of a meal replacer (Modifast)/day (17 g protein; 0.7 MJ/day) plus two sachets of protein (31.2 g; protein source Ca-caseinate; 0.5 MJ/day), to be dissolved in water resulting in two vanilla-drinks. This amounted together to 1.2 MJ/day. Subjects were required to consume the meal replacer and one protein drink as part of their ad libitum lunch, and one protein drink in the afternoon. This way we aimed at an EI of 18-20 percentage energy from protein/day. Although the treatment with respect to number of visits, measurements, and attention was identical in both groups of subjects, there was no placebo used for the additional protein, similar to previous meal-replacement studies.28 We included the measurements of dietary restraint to check whether additional protein to the diet would affect attitude toward eating. (end of quote) chakolate -- You might as well fall flat on your face as lean over too far backward. --James Thurber |
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Jenny wrote:
:: Roger, :: :: Interesting sounding, but the description of the study made it :: unclear to me what was really happening. Interesting, period. :: :: How did they add the extra protein? Were they eating packaged foods :: supplied by the study as happens in some nutritional studies? Were :: they eating whatever they wanted? That's because you only read the abstract. You need to click on the link for the PDF to get the full paper. :: :: The original diet is described only as "extremely low calorie" with :: no indication of the nutritional breakdown and whether it lead to :: cannibalisation of the dieter's own body protein. The diet was also :: very short, only a couple weeks. Read the paper.....the diet was Modifast and fruits and Veggies....the aim was a loss of 4kg over 4 weeks (more than a couple). :: :: Generalizing from this study to what happens when low carbers go off :: their diet, might be a mistake. No one has generalized....it is an interesting study since it seems to indicate that increased protein intake after dieting impacts satiety and weight retain...that ought to be interesting anyone wanting to lose weight and maintain that weight loss, whether there is a take-home message of practical value has not been addressed, afaik. :: The effect of eating a lot of carbohydrate after a long period of :: carb restriction might result in a much bigger weight gain no matter :: how much protein intake accompanies it. We could only know if a :: study was done with long term (not 3 week) low carb dieters. Eating a lot of carbs will cause quick water weight gain....and if LC dieters return to eating lots of carbs over the long term, and as a result return to eating excessive amounts of calories, they will regain weight. Eating lots of carbs is the obvious path to failure for most people who are able lose well on LC. In my mind, there are no questions about that. And we knew that before the results of this study became known. Also, what is done in this study is not something that can be really hoisted off onto the general LCing public, from what I can tell. They can't be depended on to have a clue as to how to properly implement this kind of thing. What should be paid attention to is what the general results are relative to this one macro-nutritient. Interesting. :: :: -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 :: diabetes, hba1c 5.2. :: Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! :: :: Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and :: more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ :: :: Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? :: Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm :: :: :: :: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message :: ... ::: This seems interesting.... ::: ::: :: http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080 ::: 2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590 |
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