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I don't think its enough structure for me, Lee
Joyce wrote in message ... Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was wondering if I was the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm not sure what to make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will not be safe eating pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count foods only in 1 cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to figure out how the heck you are to lose weight following this ww program. Read on .... what do you think? Joyce On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme" wrote: This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com): "There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and the new option is called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to journal or track points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the same 5 fruits and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy servings, and still the same vitamins. The foods in the Core Program a Whole wheat pasta brown rice no sugar added cereals soups (non creamy) You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods that are NOT on the Core Program list. The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a specific food on the No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in doubt, leave it out. NO EXCEPTIONS! This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step outside the No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points Allowance (at its full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free Cheddar cheese is a No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it carries a POINTS value of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you make. A cup of chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8. When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No Count Food, all foods on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other foods on the List. If any other food is used, the entire product should be counted within your Flex Points Allowance. Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat. Beef Bottom and top round roast Bottom and top sirloin steak Eye round roast Flank steak Organ meats Round steak Round tip steak and roast Sirloin steak T-bone steak Tenderloin roast and steak Top loin steak Top sirloin roast Ground Meat Any type, 7% fat or less Lamb Leg roast Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Pork Canadian-style bacon Ham Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Sirloin cutlet Tenderloin roast Veal Cutlet Loin chop or roast Organ meats Round steak Sirloin steak Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin before eating. Chicken Fresh, frozen, or canned Ground poultry Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean Turkey Fresh, frozen, or canned Fish and Shellfish Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato juice (not oil). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety Meat Substitutes Dried beans and lentils Tofu, any type Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen Eggs and Dairy Products Egg and Egg Substitutes Egg, whole Egg substitutes Egg whites Dairy Products For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1 serving milk product. Cheese, fat-free Coffee creamers, fat-free Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat Cream cheese, fat-free Dairy shake, reduced calorie* Milk, fat-free or 1% Pudding, fat-and sugar free* Sour cream, fat-free Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened flavored* Weight Watchers Smoothies Diary Substitutes Soy cheese, fat-free Soy milk, fat-free Soy yogurt, plain Grains, Cereals, and Starches Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a wholegrain food. Grains Barley Buckwheat Bulgur Cornmeal (polenta) Couscous (semolina) Kasha Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn Quinoa Rolled oats Rye Cereals Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be eaten with milk or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day. Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety Starches Macaroni, any type Noodles, egg Pasta, any type Rice, any type Spaghetti, any type Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn) Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups Fruit Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and drained before eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened applesauce is not). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are not allowed) Vegetables Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No Count Food List (e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter sauce, dried tomatoes packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not allowed). Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white and sweet potatoes; dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce (Note: Vegetable juices are not allowed) Soups Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with NoCount Foods. Bean soup Bouillon Broth-based soup Tomato soup Beverages, Fats, and Condiments Beverages Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed. Club soda Coffee, black, without sugar Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened Soft drink, diet Tea, without sugar Water or mineral water Fats Margarine, fat-free Mayonnaise, fat-free Salad dressings, fat-free Condiments Baking powder Baking soda Capers Cocktail sauce Extracts Flavorings Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored) Herbs Hot sauce (pepper sauce) Ketchup Lemon juice Mustard Nonstick cooking or baking spray Soy sauce (shoyu) Spices Steak sauce Sugar substitutes Taco sauce Teriyaki sauce Vinegar Worcestershire sauce Lesanne wrote: If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute after I get it. -- Les "Fred" wrote in message ... I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who stole Xmas) On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce wrote: Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice you with the gift wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to try? Books? Now my curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted. Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred wrote: At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages. With something like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper. So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more options but that points would still be alive. We shall see. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce wrote: I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does scare me a bit, at least for me. I like the more common sense approach of the current ww ... anything allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever* would not be a good thing for me. It would have to have limits as to what food types/items you could do this with, which would lead me to think that it would be more restrictive ... which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done* routine. Then what? Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred wrote: I guess we will know in a couple of weeks. I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really want it simple and without any calculating. I have a feeling there also may be a bit of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have only picked up a snippet or two and nothing very concrete. May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and also used uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text like that. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette" wrote: I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not liking the sound of this at all, but I think it might have its applications, from what I am hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where you wanted to keep control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe, Lee, hater of change Joyce wrote in message om... Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?) program going to be similar to a low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on the current craze? Hopefully I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm interested in anyway. I don't believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems like a rather loose term ... not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are still calories ...eat more than spent and weight will increase. I wish they would give us a choice to use the old points program, without the flex points. I know, I'm probably always going to complain. LOL Joyce On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred wrote: Perusing around..... Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a modified name???? The second program sounds odd. A list of foods from which you choose items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I gather no counting or journaling or something like that but the info seemed very vague. I'm sure that I will stick with the older program - the one before FLEX. On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer" wrote: I find it amazing that no one knows any details yet. When they went to flex points, the details were all over the internet weeks before its release date. Kind of iritating cause I just bought all new stuff when the flex points came out. |
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I never used the QuikTrac Express part of the journal. I felt that was a
waste of time and paper, but I do like the checkbook like feel of the lines and the columns for earned points vs. spent points. It is so much like a ledger pad for accounting. Debits are what you spend and credits are what you earn. Just like accounting or a checkbook. Sorry it is the accountant in me coming out. Debbie "Laura" wrote in message ... I never started using this new form of the journal. I liked the old way where you could see all of your points and how you used them on one page. The way this journal just has you check off the Flexpoints without writing them down drove me nuts. I use an excel spreadsheet now instead. "Deb in Northern California" wrote in message ... It will make a lot of people happy, but not me. This is the first journal that has worked for me, so I have been accumulating the journals and getting a stockpile of them. I am in the last meeting to have the old plan, so I will wipe out their stores when I weigh in next week. I don't want to go back to the old way. I guess it is the accountant in me, points work like money and I am anal about my finances. Debbie "Laura" wrote in message ... I saw the post the other night but am not sure how accurate it is. I think it best to wait to see what WW really rolls out in a week. One thing I did get out of my leader is that they are returning to the OLD journal format due to all of the complaints they got with the current tracker. That will make a lot of people happy. "Joyce" wrote in message ... Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was wondering if I was the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm not sure what to make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will not be safe eating pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count foods only in 1 cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to figure out how the heck you are to lose weight following this ww program. Read on .... what do you think? Joyce On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme" wrote: This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com): "There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and the new option is called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to journal or track points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the same 5 fruits and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy servings, and still the same vitamins. The foods in the Core Program a Whole wheat pasta brown rice no sugar added cereals soups (non creamy) You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods that are NOT on the Core Program list. The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a specific food on the No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in doubt, leave it out. NO EXCEPTIONS! This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step outside the No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points Allowance (at its full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free Cheddar cheese is a No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it carries a POINTS value of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you make. A cup of chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8. When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No Count Food, all foods on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other foods on the List. If any other food is used, the entire product should be counted within your Flex Points Allowance. Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat. Beef Bottom and top round roast Bottom and top sirloin steak Eye round roast Flank steak Organ meats Round steak Round tip steak and roast Sirloin steak T-bone steak Tenderloin roast and steak Top loin steak Top sirloin roast Ground Meat Any type, 7% fat or less Lamb Leg roast Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Pork Canadian-style bacon Ham Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Sirloin cutlet Tenderloin roast Veal Cutlet Loin chop or roast Organ meats Round steak Sirloin steak Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin before eating. Chicken Fresh, frozen, or canned Ground poultry Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean Turkey Fresh, frozen, or canned Fish and Shellfish Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato juice (not oil). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety Meat Substitutes Dried beans and lentils Tofu, any type Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen Eggs and Dairy Products Egg and Egg Substitutes Egg, whole Egg substitutes Egg whites Dairy Products For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1 serving milk product. Cheese, fat-free Coffee creamers, fat-free Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat Cream cheese, fat-free Dairy shake, reduced calorie* Milk, fat-free or 1% Pudding, fat-and sugar free* Sour cream, fat-free Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened flavored* Weight Watchers Smoothies Diary Substitutes Soy cheese, fat-free Soy milk, fat-free Soy yogurt, plain Grains, Cereals, and Starches Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a wholegrain food. Grains Barley Buckwheat Bulgur Cornmeal (polenta) Couscous (semolina) Kasha Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn Quinoa Rolled oats Rye Cereals Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be eaten with milk or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day. Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety Starches Macaroni, any type Noodles, egg Pasta, any type Rice, any type Spaghetti, any type Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn) Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups Fruit Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and drained before eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened applesauce is not). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are not allowed) Vegetables Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No Count Food List (e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter sauce, dried tomatoes packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not allowed). Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white and sweet potatoes; dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce (Note: Vegetable juices are not allowed) Soups Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with NoCount Foods. Bean soup Bouillon Broth-based soup Tomato soup Beverages, Fats, and Condiments Beverages Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed. Club soda Coffee, black, without sugar Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened Soft drink, diet Tea, without sugar Water or mineral water Fats Margarine, fat-free Mayonnaise, fat-free Salad dressings, fat-free Condiments Baking powder Baking soda Capers Cocktail sauce Extracts Flavorings Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored) Herbs Hot sauce (pepper sauce) Ketchup Lemon juice Mustard Nonstick cooking or baking spray Soy sauce (shoyu) Spices Steak sauce Sugar substitutes Taco sauce Teriyaki sauce Vinegar Worcestershire sauce Lesanne wrote: If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute after I get it. -- Les "Fred" wrote in message ... I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who stole Xmas) On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce wrote: Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice you with the gift wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to try? Books? Now my curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted. Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred wrote: At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages. With something like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper. So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more options but that points would still be alive. We shall see. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce wrote: I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does scare me a bit, at least for me. I like the more common sense approach of the current ww ... anything allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever* would not be a good thing for me. It would have to have limits as to what food types/items you could do this with, which would lead me to think that it would be more restrictive ... which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done* routine. Then what? Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred wrote: I guess we will know in a couple of weeks. I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really want it simple and without any calculating. I have a feeling there also may be a bit of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have only picked up a snippet or two and nothing very concrete. May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and also used uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text like that. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette" wrote: I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not liking the sound of this at all, but I think it might have its applications, from what I am hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where you wanted to keep control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe, Lee, hater of change Joyce wrote in message om... Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?) program going to be similar to a low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on the current craze? Hopefully I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm interested in anyway. I don't believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems like a rather loose term ... not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are still calories ...eat more than spent and weight will increase. I wish they would give us a choice to use the old points program, without the flex points. I know, I'm probably always going to complain. LOL Joyce On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred wrote: Perusing around..... Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a modified name???? The second program sounds odd. A list of foods from which you choose items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I gather no counting or journaling or something like that but the info seemed very vague. I'm sure that I will stick with the older program - the one before FLEX. On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer" wrote: I find it amazing that no one knows any details yet. When they went to flex points, the details were all over the internet weeks before its release date. Kind of iritating cause I just bought all new stuff when the flex points came out. |
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I never used the QuikTrac Express part of the journal. I felt that was a
waste of time and paper, but I do like the checkbook like feel of the lines and the columns for earned points vs. spent points. It is so much like a ledger pad for accounting. Debits are what you spend and credits are what you earn. Just like accounting or a checkbook. Sorry it is the accountant in me coming out. Debbie "Laura" wrote in message ... I never started using this new form of the journal. I liked the old way where you could see all of your points and how you used them on one page. The way this journal just has you check off the Flexpoints without writing them down drove me nuts. I use an excel spreadsheet now instead. "Deb in Northern California" wrote in message ... It will make a lot of people happy, but not me. This is the first journal that has worked for me, so I have been accumulating the journals and getting a stockpile of them. I am in the last meeting to have the old plan, so I will wipe out their stores when I weigh in next week. I don't want to go back to the old way. I guess it is the accountant in me, points work like money and I am anal about my finances. Debbie "Laura" wrote in message ... I saw the post the other night but am not sure how accurate it is. I think it best to wait to see what WW really rolls out in a week. One thing I did get out of my leader is that they are returning to the OLD journal format due to all of the complaints they got with the current tracker. That will make a lot of people happy. "Joyce" wrote in message ... Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was wondering if I was the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm not sure what to make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will not be safe eating pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count foods only in 1 cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to figure out how the heck you are to lose weight following this ww program. Read on .... what do you think? Joyce On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme" wrote: This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com): "There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and the new option is called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to journal or track points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the same 5 fruits and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy servings, and still the same vitamins. The foods in the Core Program a Whole wheat pasta brown rice no sugar added cereals soups (non creamy) You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods that are NOT on the Core Program list. The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a specific food on the No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in doubt, leave it out. NO EXCEPTIONS! This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step outside the No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points Allowance (at its full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free Cheddar cheese is a No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it carries a POINTS value of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you make. A cup of chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8. When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No Count Food, all foods on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other foods on the List. If any other food is used, the entire product should be counted within your Flex Points Allowance. Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat. Beef Bottom and top round roast Bottom and top sirloin steak Eye round roast Flank steak Organ meats Round steak Round tip steak and roast Sirloin steak T-bone steak Tenderloin roast and steak Top loin steak Top sirloin roast Ground Meat Any type, 7% fat or less Lamb Leg roast Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Pork Canadian-style bacon Ham Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Sirloin cutlet Tenderloin roast Veal Cutlet Loin chop or roast Organ meats Round steak Sirloin steak Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin before eating. Chicken Fresh, frozen, or canned Ground poultry Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean Turkey Fresh, frozen, or canned Fish and Shellfish Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato juice (not oil). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety Meat Substitutes Dried beans and lentils Tofu, any type Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen Eggs and Dairy Products Egg and Egg Substitutes Egg, whole Egg substitutes Egg whites Dairy Products For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1 serving milk product. Cheese, fat-free Coffee creamers, fat-free Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat Cream cheese, fat-free Dairy shake, reduced calorie* Milk, fat-free or 1% Pudding, fat-and sugar free* Sour cream, fat-free Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened flavored* Weight Watchers Smoothies Diary Substitutes Soy cheese, fat-free Soy milk, fat-free Soy yogurt, plain Grains, Cereals, and Starches Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a wholegrain food. Grains Barley Buckwheat Bulgur Cornmeal (polenta) Couscous (semolina) Kasha Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn Quinoa Rolled oats Rye Cereals Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be eaten with milk or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day. Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety Starches Macaroni, any type Noodles, egg Pasta, any type Rice, any type Spaghetti, any type Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn) Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups Fruit Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and drained before eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened applesauce is not). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are not allowed) Vegetables Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No Count Food List (e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter sauce, dried tomatoes packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not allowed). Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white and sweet potatoes; dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce (Note: Vegetable juices are not allowed) Soups Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with NoCount Foods. Bean soup Bouillon Broth-based soup Tomato soup Beverages, Fats, and Condiments Beverages Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed. Club soda Coffee, black, without sugar Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened Soft drink, diet Tea, without sugar Water or mineral water Fats Margarine, fat-free Mayonnaise, fat-free Salad dressings, fat-free Condiments Baking powder Baking soda Capers Cocktail sauce Extracts Flavorings Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored) Herbs Hot sauce (pepper sauce) Ketchup Lemon juice Mustard Nonstick cooking or baking spray Soy sauce (shoyu) Spices Steak sauce Sugar substitutes Taco sauce Teriyaki sauce Vinegar Worcestershire sauce Lesanne wrote: If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute after I get it. -- Les "Fred" wrote in message ... I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who stole Xmas) On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce wrote: Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice you with the gift wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to try? Books? Now my curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted. Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred wrote: At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages. With something like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper. So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more options but that points would still be alive. We shall see. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce wrote: I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does scare me a bit, at least for me. I like the more common sense approach of the current ww ... anything allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever* would not be a good thing for me. It would have to have limits as to what food types/items you could do this with, which would lead me to think that it would be more restrictive ... which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done* routine. Then what? Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred wrote: I guess we will know in a couple of weeks. I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really want it simple and without any calculating. I have a feeling there also may be a bit of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have only picked up a snippet or two and nothing very concrete. May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and also used uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text like that. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette" wrote: I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not liking the sound of this at all, but I think it might have its applications, from what I am hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where you wanted to keep control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe, Lee, hater of change Joyce wrote in message om... Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?) program going to be similar to a low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on the current craze? Hopefully I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm interested in anyway. I don't believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems like a rather loose term ... not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are still calories ...eat more than spent and weight will increase. I wish they would give us a choice to use the old points program, without the flex points. I know, I'm probably always going to complain. LOL Joyce On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred wrote: Perusing around..... Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a modified name???? The second program sounds odd. A list of foods from which you choose items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I gather no counting or journaling or something like that but the info seemed very vague. I'm sure that I will stick with the older program - the one before FLEX. On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer" wrote: I find it amazing that no one knows any details yet. When they went to flex points, the details were all over the internet weeks before its release date. 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I'm a bookkeeper so I know what you mean. The part I didnot like is the way
they handled the flex points. "Deb in Northern California" wrote in message ... I never used the QuikTrac Express part of the journal. I felt that was a waste of time and paper, but I do like the checkbook like feel of the lines and the columns for earned points vs. spent points. It is so much like a ledger pad for accounting. Debits are what you spend and credits are what you earn. Just like accounting or a checkbook. Sorry it is the accountant in me coming out. Debbie "Laura" wrote in message ... I never started using this new form of the journal. I liked the old way where you could see all of your points and how you used them on one page. The way this journal just has you check off the Flexpoints without writing them down drove me nuts. I use an excel spreadsheet now instead. "Deb in Northern California" wrote in message ... It will make a lot of people happy, but not me. This is the first journal that has worked for me, so I have been accumulating the journals and getting a stockpile of them. I am in the last meeting to have the old plan, so I will wipe out their stores when I weigh in next week. I don't want to go back to the old way. I guess it is the accountant in me, points work like money and I am anal about my finances. Debbie "Laura" wrote in message ... I saw the post the other night but am not sure how accurate it is. I think it best to wait to see what WW really rolls out in a week. One thing I did get out of my leader is that they are returning to the OLD journal format due to all of the complaints they got with the current tracker. That will make a lot of people happy. "Joyce" wrote in message ... Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was wondering if I was the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm not sure what to make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will not be safe eating pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count foods only in 1 cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to figure out how the heck you are to lose weight following this ww program. Read on .... what do you think? Joyce On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme" wrote: This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com): "There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and the new option is called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to journal or track points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the same 5 fruits and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy servings, and still the same vitamins. The foods in the Core Program a Whole wheat pasta brown rice no sugar added cereals soups (non creamy) You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods that are NOT on the Core Program list. The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a specific food on the No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in doubt, leave it out. NO EXCEPTIONS! This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step outside the No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points Allowance (at its full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free Cheddar cheese is a No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it carries a POINTS value of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you make. A cup of chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8. When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No Count Food, all foods on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other foods on the List. If any other food is used, the entire product should be counted within your Flex Points Allowance. Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat. Beef Bottom and top round roast Bottom and top sirloin steak Eye round roast Flank steak Organ meats Round steak Round tip steak and roast Sirloin steak T-bone steak Tenderloin roast and steak Top loin steak Top sirloin roast Ground Meat Any type, 7% fat or less Lamb Leg roast Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Pork Canadian-style bacon Ham Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Sirloin cutlet Tenderloin roast Veal Cutlet Loin chop or roast Organ meats Round steak Sirloin steak Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin before eating. Chicken Fresh, frozen, or canned Ground poultry Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean Turkey Fresh, frozen, or canned Fish and Shellfish Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato juice (not oil). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety Meat Substitutes Dried beans and lentils Tofu, any type Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen Eggs and Dairy Products Egg and Egg Substitutes Egg, whole Egg substitutes Egg whites Dairy Products For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1 serving milk product. Cheese, fat-free Coffee creamers, fat-free Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat Cream cheese, fat-free Dairy shake, reduced calorie* Milk, fat-free or 1% Pudding, fat-and sugar free* Sour cream, fat-free Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened flavored* Weight Watchers Smoothies Diary Substitutes Soy cheese, fat-free Soy milk, fat-free Soy yogurt, plain Grains, Cereals, and Starches Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a wholegrain food. Grains Barley Buckwheat Bulgur Cornmeal (polenta) Couscous (semolina) Kasha Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn Quinoa Rolled oats Rye Cereals Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be eaten with milk or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day. Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety Starches Macaroni, any type Noodles, egg Pasta, any type Rice, any type Spaghetti, any type Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn) Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups Fruit Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and drained before eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened applesauce is not). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are not allowed) Vegetables Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No Count Food List (e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter sauce, dried tomatoes packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not allowed). Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white and sweet potatoes; dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce (Note: Vegetable juices are not allowed) Soups Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with NoCount Foods. Bean soup Bouillon Broth-based soup Tomato soup Beverages, Fats, and Condiments Beverages Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed. Club soda Coffee, black, without sugar Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened Soft drink, diet Tea, without sugar Water or mineral water Fats Margarine, fat-free Mayonnaise, fat-free Salad dressings, fat-free Condiments Baking powder Baking soda Capers Cocktail sauce Extracts Flavorings Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored) Herbs Hot sauce (pepper sauce) Ketchup Lemon juice Mustard Nonstick cooking or baking spray Soy sauce (shoyu) Spices Steak sauce Sugar substitutes Taco sauce Teriyaki sauce Vinegar Worcestershire sauce Lesanne wrote: If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute after I get it. -- Les "Fred" wrote in message ... I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who stole Xmas) On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce wrote: Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice you with the gift wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to try? Books? Now my curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted. Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred wrote: At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages. With something like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper. So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more options but that points would still be alive. We shall see. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce wrote: I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does scare me a bit, at least for me. I like the more common sense approach of the current ww ... anything allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever* would not be a good thing for me. It would have to have limits as to what food types/items you could do this with, which would lead me to think that it would be more restrictive ... which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done* routine. Then what? Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred wrote: I guess we will know in a couple of weeks. I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really want it simple and without any calculating. I have a feeling there also may be a bit of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have only picked up a snippet or two and nothing very concrete. May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and also used uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text like that. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette" wrote: I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not liking the sound of this at all, but I think it might have its applications, from what I am hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where you wanted to keep control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe, Lee, hater of change Joyce wrote in message om... Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?) program going to be similar to a low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on the current craze? Hopefully I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm interested in anyway. I don't believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems like a rather loose term ... not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are still calories ...eat more than spent and weight will increase. I wish they would give us a choice to use the old points program, without the flex points. I know, I'm probably always going to complain. LOL Joyce On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred wrote: Perusing around..... Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a modified name???? The second program sounds odd. A list of foods from which you choose items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I gather no counting or journaling or something like that but the info seemed very vague. I'm sure that I will stick with the older program - the one before FLEX. On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer" wrote: I find it amazing that no one knows any details yet. When they went to flex points, the details were all over the internet weeks before its release date. 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I'm a bookkeeper so I know what you mean. The part I didnot like is the way
they handled the flex points. "Deb in Northern California" wrote in message ... I never used the QuikTrac Express part of the journal. I felt that was a waste of time and paper, but I do like the checkbook like feel of the lines and the columns for earned points vs. spent points. It is so much like a ledger pad for accounting. Debits are what you spend and credits are what you earn. Just like accounting or a checkbook. Sorry it is the accountant in me coming out. Debbie "Laura" wrote in message ... I never started using this new form of the journal. I liked the old way where you could see all of your points and how you used them on one page. The way this journal just has you check off the Flexpoints without writing them down drove me nuts. I use an excel spreadsheet now instead. "Deb in Northern California" wrote in message ... It will make a lot of people happy, but not me. This is the first journal that has worked for me, so I have been accumulating the journals and getting a stockpile of them. I am in the last meeting to have the old plan, so I will wipe out their stores when I weigh in next week. I don't want to go back to the old way. I guess it is the accountant in me, points work like money and I am anal about my finances. Debbie "Laura" wrote in message ... I saw the post the other night but am not sure how accurate it is. I think it best to wait to see what WW really rolls out in a week. One thing I did get out of my leader is that they are returning to the OLD journal format due to all of the complaints they got with the current tracker. That will make a lot of people happy. "Joyce" wrote in message ... Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was wondering if I was the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm not sure what to make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will not be safe eating pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count foods only in 1 cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to figure out how the heck you are to lose weight following this ww program. Read on .... what do you think? Joyce On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme" wrote: This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com): "There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and the new option is called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to journal or track points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the same 5 fruits and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy servings, and still the same vitamins. The foods in the Core Program a Whole wheat pasta brown rice no sugar added cereals soups (non creamy) You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods that are NOT on the Core Program list. The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a specific food on the No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in doubt, leave it out. NO EXCEPTIONS! This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step outside the No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points Allowance (at its full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free Cheddar cheese is a No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it carries a POINTS value of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you make. A cup of chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8. When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No Count Food, all foods on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other foods on the List. If any other food is used, the entire product should be counted within your Flex Points Allowance. Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat. Beef Bottom and top round roast Bottom and top sirloin steak Eye round roast Flank steak Organ meats Round steak Round tip steak and roast Sirloin steak T-bone steak Tenderloin roast and steak Top loin steak Top sirloin roast Ground Meat Any type, 7% fat or less Lamb Leg roast Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Pork Canadian-style bacon Ham Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Sirloin cutlet Tenderloin roast Veal Cutlet Loin chop or roast Organ meats Round steak Sirloin steak Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin before eating. Chicken Fresh, frozen, or canned Ground poultry Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean Turkey Fresh, frozen, or canned Fish and Shellfish Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato juice (not oil). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety Meat Substitutes Dried beans and lentils Tofu, any type Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen Eggs and Dairy Products Egg and Egg Substitutes Egg, whole Egg substitutes Egg whites Dairy Products For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1 serving milk product. Cheese, fat-free Coffee creamers, fat-free Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat Cream cheese, fat-free Dairy shake, reduced calorie* Milk, fat-free or 1% Pudding, fat-and sugar free* Sour cream, fat-free Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened flavored* Weight Watchers Smoothies Diary Substitutes Soy cheese, fat-free Soy milk, fat-free Soy yogurt, plain Grains, Cereals, and Starches Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a wholegrain food. Grains Barley Buckwheat Bulgur Cornmeal (polenta) Couscous (semolina) Kasha Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn Quinoa Rolled oats Rye Cereals Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be eaten with milk or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day. Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety Starches Macaroni, any type Noodles, egg Pasta, any type Rice, any type Spaghetti, any type Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn) Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups Fruit Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and drained before eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened applesauce is not). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are not allowed) Vegetables Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No Count Food List (e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter sauce, dried tomatoes packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not allowed). Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white and sweet potatoes; dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce (Note: Vegetable juices are not allowed) Soups Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with NoCount Foods. Bean soup Bouillon Broth-based soup Tomato soup Beverages, Fats, and Condiments Beverages Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed. Club soda Coffee, black, without sugar Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened Soft drink, diet Tea, without sugar Water or mineral water Fats Margarine, fat-free Mayonnaise, fat-free Salad dressings, fat-free Condiments Baking powder Baking soda Capers Cocktail sauce Extracts Flavorings Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored) Herbs Hot sauce (pepper sauce) Ketchup Lemon juice Mustard Nonstick cooking or baking spray Soy sauce (shoyu) Spices Steak sauce Sugar substitutes Taco sauce Teriyaki sauce Vinegar Worcestershire sauce Lesanne wrote: If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute after I get it. -- Les "Fred" wrote in message ... I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who stole Xmas) On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce wrote: Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice you with the gift wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to try? Books? Now my curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted. Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred wrote: At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages. With something like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper. So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more options but that points would still be alive. We shall see. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce wrote: I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does scare me a bit, at least for me. I like the more common sense approach of the current ww ... anything allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever* would not be a good thing for me. It would have to have limits as to what food types/items you could do this with, which would lead me to think that it would be more restrictive ... which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done* routine. Then what? Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred wrote: I guess we will know in a couple of weeks. I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really want it simple and without any calculating. I have a feeling there also may be a bit of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have only picked up a snippet or two and nothing very concrete. May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and also used uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text like that. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette" wrote: I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not liking the sound of this at all, but I think it might have its applications, from what I am hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where you wanted to keep control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe, Lee, hater of change Joyce wrote in message om... Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?) program going to be similar to a low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on the current craze? Hopefully I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm interested in anyway. I don't believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems like a rather loose term ... not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are still calories ...eat more than spent and weight will increase. I wish they would give us a choice to use the old points program, without the flex points. I know, I'm probably always going to complain. LOL Joyce On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred wrote: Perusing around..... Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a modified name???? The second program sounds odd. A list of foods from which you choose items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I gather no counting or journaling or something like that but the info seemed very vague. I'm sure that I will stick with the older program - the one before FLEX. On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer" wrote: I find it amazing that no one knows any details yet. When they went to flex points, the details were all over the internet weeks before its release date. 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I thought of that like a savings account and I would withdraw from those
when I was running short for the day. I guess the one thing I did different, was exercise points, I added them to the balance and if I used them the same day fine, if not they got carried to the next day. Everything zeroed out on weigh in day though. I weigh in the morning, so my weigh in day is my first day of the new week. Debbie "Laura" wrote in message ... I'm a bookkeeper so I know what you mean. The part I didnot like is the way they handled the flex points. "Deb in Northern California" wrote in message ... I never used the QuikTrac Express part of the journal. I felt that was a waste of time and paper, but I do like the checkbook like feel of the lines and the columns for earned points vs. spent points. It is so much like a ledger pad for accounting. Debits are what you spend and credits are what you earn. Just like accounting or a checkbook. Sorry it is the accountant in me coming out. Debbie "Laura" wrote in message ... I never started using this new form of the journal. I liked the old way where you could see all of your points and how you used them on one page. The way this journal just has you check off the Flexpoints without writing them down drove me nuts. I use an excel spreadsheet now instead. "Deb in Northern California" wrote in message ... It will make a lot of people happy, but not me. This is the first journal that has worked for me, so I have been accumulating the journals and getting a stockpile of them. I am in the last meeting to have the old plan, so I will wipe out their stores when I weigh in next week. I don't want to go back to the old way. I guess it is the accountant in me, points work like money and I am anal about my finances. Debbie "Laura" wrote in message ... I saw the post the other night but am not sure how accurate it is. I think it best to wait to see what WW really rolls out in a week. One thing I did get out of my leader is that they are returning to the OLD journal format due to all of the complaints they got with the current tracker. That will make a lot of people happy. "Joyce" wrote in message ... Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was wondering if I was the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm not sure what to make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will not be safe eating pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count foods only in 1 cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to figure out how the heck you are to lose weight following this ww program. Read on .... what do you think? Joyce On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme" wrote: This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com): "There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and the new option is called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to journal or track points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the same 5 fruits and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy servings, and still the same vitamins. The foods in the Core Program a Whole wheat pasta brown rice no sugar added cereals soups (non creamy) You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods that are NOT on the Core Program list. The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a specific food on the No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in doubt, leave it out. NO EXCEPTIONS! This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step outside the No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points Allowance (at its full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free Cheddar cheese is a No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it carries a POINTS value of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you make. A cup of chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8. When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No Count Food, all foods on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other foods on the List. If any other food is used, the entire product should be counted within your Flex Points Allowance. Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat. Beef Bottom and top round roast Bottom and top sirloin steak Eye round roast Flank steak Organ meats Round steak Round tip steak and roast Sirloin steak T-bone steak Tenderloin roast and steak Top loin steak Top sirloin roast Ground Meat Any type, 7% fat or less Lamb Leg roast Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Pork Canadian-style bacon Ham Loin chop or roast Organ meats Sirloin chop Sirloin cutlet Tenderloin roast Veal Cutlet Loin chop or roast Organ meats Round steak Sirloin steak Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin before eating. Chicken Fresh, frozen, or canned Ground poultry Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean Turkey Fresh, frozen, or canned Fish and Shellfish Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato juice (not oil). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety Meat Substitutes Dried beans and lentils Tofu, any type Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen Eggs and Dairy Products Egg and Egg Substitutes Egg, whole Egg substitutes Egg whites Dairy Products For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1 serving milk product. Cheese, fat-free Coffee creamers, fat-free Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat Cream cheese, fat-free Dairy shake, reduced calorie* Milk, fat-free or 1% Pudding, fat-and sugar free* Sour cream, fat-free Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened flavored* Weight Watchers Smoothies Diary Substitutes Soy cheese, fat-free Soy milk, fat-free Soy yogurt, plain Grains, Cereals, and Starches Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a wholegrain food. Grains Barley Buckwheat Bulgur Cornmeal (polenta) Couscous (semolina) Kasha Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn Quinoa Rolled oats Rye Cereals Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be eaten with milk or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day. Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety Starches Macaroni, any type Noodles, egg Pasta, any type Rice, any type Spaghetti, any type Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn) Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups Fruit Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and drained before eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened applesauce is not). Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are not allowed) Vegetables Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No Count Food List (e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter sauce, dried tomatoes packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not allowed). Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white and sweet potatoes; dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce (Note: Vegetable juices are not allowed) Soups Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with NoCount Foods. Bean soup Bouillon Broth-based soup Tomato soup Beverages, Fats, and Condiments Beverages Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed. Club soda Coffee, black, without sugar Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened Soft drink, diet Tea, without sugar Water or mineral water Fats Margarine, fat-free Mayonnaise, fat-free Salad dressings, fat-free Condiments Baking powder Baking soda Capers Cocktail sauce Extracts Flavorings Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored) Herbs Hot sauce (pepper sauce) Ketchup Lemon juice Mustard Nonstick cooking or baking spray Soy sauce (shoyu) Spices Steak sauce Sugar substitutes Taco sauce Teriyaki sauce Vinegar Worcestershire sauce Lesanne wrote: If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute after I get it. -- Les "Fred" wrote in message ... I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who stole Xmas) On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce wrote: Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice you with the gift wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to try? Books? Now my curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted. Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred wrote: At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages. With something like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper. So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more options but that points would still be alive. We shall see. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce wrote: I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does scare me a bit, at least for me. I like the more common sense approach of the current ww ... anything allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever* would not be a good thing for me. It would have to have limits as to what food types/items you could do this with, which would lead me to think that it would be more restrictive ... which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done* routine. Then what? Joyce On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred wrote: I guess we will know in a couple of weeks. I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really want it simple and without any calculating. I have a feeling there also may be a bit of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have only picked up a snippet or two and nothing very concrete. May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and also used uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text like that. On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette" wrote: I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not liking the sound of this at all, but I think it might have its applications, from what I am hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where you wanted to keep control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe, Lee, hater of change Joyce wrote in message om... Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?) program going to be similar to a low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on the current craze? Hopefully I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm interested in anyway. I don't believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems like a rather loose term ... not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are still calories ...eat more than spent and weight will increase. I wish they would give us a choice to use the old points program, without the flex points. I know, I'm probably always going to complain. LOL Joyce On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred wrote: Perusing around..... Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a modified name???? The second program sounds odd. A list of foods from which you choose items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I gather no counting or journaling or something like that but the info seemed very vague. I'm sure that I will stick with the older program - the one before FLEX. On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer" wrote: I find it amazing that no one knows any details yet. When they went to flex points, the details were all over the internet weeks before its release date. Kind of iritating cause I just bought all new stuff when the flex points came out. |
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