NYNY - Fred - Dec 31 2003

will do, we are trying a few new things right now, look for some post in the
near future about some new foods, Lee
Fred wrote in message
...
Let us know what you think - what brand, etc

I did make soba noodles a few weeks back - they are buckwheat based, I
believe.

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 02:45:14 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

and guess what DH brought out of the store for us to try soon... Low carb
pasta, he didn't tell me numbers but said he thought it was about half
the
points of regular pasta, we will see if the taste combined with the price
is
a value... It was about twice what regular pasta costs but if it does
taste
good I can have it more often and stay with the one cup serving, or we
can
have it once a week and have two servings, Lee anticipating...
Fred wrote in message
.. .
I would agree. While I did not ever do a lot of rice except at
restaurants, I did lots, LOTS, of pasta. I think that will be
basically off the list. I don't really have any problems sticking
with sweet/yam/white potatoes and then kasha or bulghar as the
grain/starches. I mean, a cup of pasta is almost not worth it! And
then it needs saucing.

Similarly, I'm trying to keep cheeses down low with the occasional
wedge of a blue which goes far in taste and satisfaction.

It is obvious that some of the foods that I liked, I liked too much
and I will never be able to go back to them as I did if I wish to
remain, fit and healthy. I may miss them but I was unrealistic before
about the quantity and must not return to the bad ol' days.

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 02:05:31 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

This one is gonna take a bit for me to work out, I think I would like
to
try
and add protein as I am not fond of most meats but eat them as a
necessary
evil, if I add points there I am pretty sure it won't get out of
control,
my
first impulse is to add back in on pasta/rice/ other starches but I
see
this
a dangerous, Lee
Fred wrote in message
.. .
I'd say not to return to full fat items but just add some additional
items such as some nuts or just a bit more olive oil for sauteing,
that type of thing. Another tablespoon of rice, small additional
items. But I imagine each person finds their way to add a few
points
for Maintenance.

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:27:40 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I think it is probably pretty common. I just don't want to have to
go
through all of this again. What I was thinking about last night
was,
when I
add points back in for maintenance, how will I do it? Will I add
more
items/volume or will I go back to fuller fat versions, I haven't
decided
on
this one and frankly am at a loss. I already refuse to eat
anything
that
doesn't taste excellent to me, I know portion control was one of my
biggest
issues and I eat smallish volume most of the time, the foods I like
are
high
fat and I would not like to get back in the habit of eating that
way
so I
am
again still thinking and wondering, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
news I also remember starting to think about maintenance as I got
nearer
to
that point.
Maybe it's another one of those control things? I wanted to have
a
firmer
grasp
in my mind of what I would be dealing with, instead of heading
into
it
with no
knowledge at all. From what I recall others saying, the fear I
was
going
through
was nothing new or abnormal - made me feel much better. G

Joyce

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:20:20 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

it is comforting to hear you talk about it like it is doable.
The
circle
part is what I got was scary and that is what started me
thinking.
I
do
feel I have always been pretty reality based but I am trying to
plan
ahead
so as to have as few bumps when I get there. Thanks for
sharing,
Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
It sounds to me like you have a firm grasp on reality, Lee - I
highly
doubt you
will have any problems when you move to maintenance. I am
now
finding
that
maintenance is really no different than the losing part of the
program
...
eating
what I want, within reason - making choices and living with
those
choices.
The
balancing end is difficult, trying to find that point where
you
don't
lose, yet
don't gain ... other than that, the concept is entirely the
same.
The
scariness
comes from knowing that it is entirely possible to put all
that
weight
right back
on - which also falls into the awareness category. For me,
keeping
my
eyes open
to that awareness is a huge help in keeping things under
control.
If I
ever let
go of the awareness factor, I know I'm going to end up right
back
to
where
I
started. Hmmmmm, sounds to me like this is a vicious circle.
g

Joyce

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:01:34 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

I have made a great deal of progress in the perfection area,
I
figured
out
on this WL journey that I always try and take on too much,
then
I
want
to
do
it perfectly, then get overwhelmed and just quit... This time
I
thought
for
a long time and decided to NOT do it all. I chose to do half
of
what
I
normally would, and I decided that perfection for me would be
defined
as
progress in learning not a scale number or inches lost. I
have
done
really
well in accepting the slower losses and that makes me feel
very
confident.
I think housework suffers from this same cycle as well. I
decided
that
being successful would no longer mean a totally cleaning
house,
but
would
be
defined as a time amount to be worked or a specific task, I
have
even
broken
it down to as small as, I cleaned and organized one drawer
today.
I
am
not
superwoman and nobody except me seems to be displeased by
this
fact
so
it
is
getting much easier. I was just wondering since I read you,
Fred
and
la
talking about how scary it is sometimes, thanks for your
thoughts.
dealing
with this cycle is how I have been successful thus far, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
Don't know if I can answer that, it hasn't happened to me
....
at
least
I
don't
think it has. I don't have a problem not weighing in, I
don't
have
a
problem
eating what I want - I just get back into the swing of
things
as
quickly
as I can.
I am somewhat obsessive/compulsive in many areas of my
life,
but
I've
learned how
to deal with that problem so as not to let it control me.

You might want to try getting some of that perfectionism
and
obsessiveness
under
control now, might find that life will be a bit easier for
you.
G
The
worst
that could happen is that you find you aren't perfect - and
that
really
isn't a
bad thing. I know you have feared the challenges in the
past,
due
to
your
perfectionism ... but maybe THIS would be the time to try
one.
What
do
you have
to lose? If you don't reach your goal, you may find that
life
as
you
know
it did
not stop or change ... which might help you further down
the
road
by
getting a
better grasp of things.

Just my thoughts ........

Joyce

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 04:05:18 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

Here is a question for those of you at goal, when does
awareness
turn
to
obsessive or worse. I ask because I tend toward the
perfection/obsessive
side, Lee, trying to prepare in advance
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
Well, if that scale jumps up or down a full few pounds
the
very
next
morning, I
assume it's pretty safe to say THAT is water. g
Muscle
and
fat
though -
much
harder to figure.

I can also see where regaining can be very easy, I'm
sure
most
of
us
here
have
been that route before. Those pounds sneak up ever so
slowly,
we
figure
we will
catch it in time ... what's 1 pound, or 5, or 10 ... and
before
we
know
it
.......
well, you know. I am very aware and trying hard to
practice
awareness,
but even
so sometimes life just gets the best of me. I threw in
the
towel
somewhat
this
week, figured I would just roll with things until the
kiddies
were
back
into
school and life resumed something resembling normalcy.
Yesterday
was a
good day,
although much higher in sodium than I'd like .. today
was a
great
day.
Sunday is
*toss all the crap in the garbage* day ... fudge,
toffee,
cookies -
whatever is
left is going out for the trash pickup. I can't handle
it
anymore
and
have
realized the only way I CAN deal with it is to GET IT
OUT.
And I
will.

My weight is up a smidge, nothing to get overly excited
about
(as
usual) -
but
again, that awareness thing HAS sunk in and I know that
if
I
don't
do
something
immediately, it ain't gonna happen. I am nowhere close
to
my
danger
zone
and
clothing fits as usual, and gain could also very well be
due
to
monthly
timing ...
doesn't much matter to me. What does matter to me is
that
I
know
I've
been off
course from where I want to be, and it is definitely
time
to
once
again
take
control. No time to weigh in today or yesterday, so my
*official*
results
will be
first thing in the morning (or second, depending on how
the
morning
goes).
g

But you are right - that possibility of putting it all
back
on
is
just
dang scary!

Joyce

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 22:25:42 -0800, Fred

wrote:

As I wrote to Brenda, I wish there were a way to
determine
what's
what
with gains. I mean, 150 miles of biking, about 6,000
feet
and
26
miles of skiing, even with too much food (grin or sigh)
should
not
be
a gain??? Should it??

But I am below so yup, no paying and more money for
skis!
(g)

I am aware but just met someone who lost about 50
pounds
on
WW
and
then regained much of it. You would think that even
with
awareness
this would not happen but it does and that remains
scary.

I can easily, too easily, see me falling into the older
patterns
since
I still tend to be a grazer or nosher and can binge up
a
storm.



On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 11:02:46 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

Good job on the muscle gain Fred. G

You're still nicely below both your WW goal and your
personal
"cushion" goal. Anyway, one week's unofficial WI
doesn't
mean
much
in
the scheme of the things, other than to show you're
maintaining
awareness. Hey, maybe that's what Maintenance is
really
about!

Prairie Roots

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 07:13:06 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Okay, this one is for Lesanne

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Again, no official weight this week since the meeting
was
cancelled.
And I guess all that exercise last week just piled on
MUSCLE
(G)
rather then taking any fat off my "fat free" body!!!!

I will post a guess-weight and might as well face the
music
this
week
unofficially rather than new week with a real higher
weight.

Put me down as UP one pound.

That would be 158.4

And Happy New Year Everyone

Fred

I guess I could eat more fruit without much problem, but then as we
discussed before, I can peel a grapefruit and eat like an orange. but I
could eat more prunes and raisins and that would be wonderful, Lee, who
thinks its a crime that prunes are so many for so few
Joyce wrote in message
...
My first thoughts were to revert back to some normal items - such as
regular wheat
bread instead of light. I don't want to go back to fuller fat items, as
it kind
of defeats the attempts at keeping the cholesterol under control. Then I
decided
that I really DO like the items that I am currently eating, so why make
that
change back? When you figure you are only adding a very small amount of
points
back into the equation, it isn't really hard to do. An extra serving of
fruit, an
extra ounce of protein, piece of cheese, etc. I think most of my added
points
have been in the form of fruit though. I use it as my snacks, and is easy
to
squeeze one more in *somewhere*. The other one change I have made is that
I no
longer count vegetables as points, when eating more than one serving (and
I
usually go very heavy on veggie servings). If I have to make an error,
guess
those fruit and veggies are the place to do it.

Joyce

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:27:40 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

I think it is probably pretty common. I just don't want to have to go
through all of this again. What I was thinking about last night was,
when I
add points back in for maintenance, how will I do it? Will I add more
items/volume or will I go back to fuller fat versions, I haven't decided
on
this one and frankly am at a loss. I already refuse to eat anything that
doesn't taste excellent to me, I know portion control was one of my
biggest
issues and I eat smallish volume most of the time, the foods I like are
high
fat and I would not like to get back in the habit of eating that way so I
am
again still thinking and wondering, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
news
I also remember starting to think about maintenance as I got nearer to
that point.
Maybe it's another one of those control things? I wanted to have a
firmer
grasp
in my mind of what I would be dealing with, instead of heading into it
with no
knowledge at all. From what I recall others saying, the fear I was
going
through
was nothing new or abnormal - made me feel much better. G

Joyce

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:20:20 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

it is comforting to hear you talk about it like it is doable. The
circle
part is what I got was scary and that is what started me thinking. I
do
feel I have always been pretty reality based but I am trying to plan
ahead
so as to have as few bumps when I get there. Thanks for sharing, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
It sounds to me like you have a firm grasp on reality, Lee - I
highly
doubt you
will have any problems when you move to maintenance. I am now
finding
that
maintenance is really no different than the losing part of the
program
...
eating
what I want, within reason - making choices and living with those
choices.
The
balancing end is difficult, trying to find that point where you
don't
lose, yet
don't gain ... other than that, the concept is entirely the same.
The
scariness
comes from knowing that it is entirely possible to put all that
weight
right back
on - which also falls into the awareness category. For me, keeping
my
eyes open
to that awareness is a huge help in keeping things under control.
If I
ever let
go of the awareness factor, I know I'm going to end up right back to
where
I
started. Hmmmmm, sounds to me like this is a vicious circle. g

Joyce

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:01:34 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

I have made a great deal of progress in the perfection area, I
figured
out
on this WL journey that I always try and take on too much, then I
want
to
do
it perfectly, then get overwhelmed and just quit... This time I
thought
for
a long time and decided to NOT do it all. I chose to do half of
what
I
normally would, and I decided that perfection for me would be
defined
as
progress in learning not a scale number or inches lost. I have
done
really
well in accepting the slower losses and that makes me feel very
confident.
I think housework suffers from this same cycle as well. I decided
that
being successful would no longer mean a totally cleaning house, but
would
be
defined as a time amount to be worked or a specific task, I have
even
broken
it down to as small as, I cleaned and organized one drawer today.
I
am
not
superwoman and nobody except me seems to be displeased by this fact
so
it
is
getting much easier. I was just wondering since I read you, Fred
and
la
talking about how scary it is sometimes, thanks for your thoughts.
dealing
with this cycle is how I have been successful thus far, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
Don't know if I can answer that, it hasn't happened to me ... at
least
I
don't
think it has. I don't have a problem not weighing in, I don't
have
a
problem
eating what I want - I just get back into the swing of things as
quickly
as I can.
I am somewhat obsessive/compulsive in many areas of my life, but
I've
learned how
to deal with that problem so as not to let it control me.

You might want to try getting some of that perfectionism and
obsessiveness
under
control now, might find that life will be a bit easier for you.
G
The
worst
that could happen is that you find you aren't perfect - and that
really
isn't a
bad thing. I know you have feared the challenges in the past,
due
to
your
perfectionism ... but maybe THIS would be the time to try one.
What
do
you have
to lose? If you don't reach your goal, you may find that life as
you
know
it did
not stop or change ... which might help you further down the road
by
getting a
better grasp of things.

Just my thoughts ........

Joyce

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 04:05:18 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

Here is a question for those of you at goal, when does awareness
turn
to
obsessive or worse. I ask because I tend toward the
perfection/obsessive
side, Lee, trying to prepare in advance
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
Well, if that scale jumps up or down a full few pounds the
very
next
morning, I
assume it's pretty safe to say THAT is water. g Muscle and
fat
though -
much
harder to figure.

I can also see where regaining can be very easy, I'm sure most
of
us
here
have
been that route before. Those pounds sneak up ever so slowly,
we
figure
we will
catch it in time ... what's 1 pound, or 5, or 10 ... and
before
we
know
it
.......
well, you know. I am very aware and trying hard to practice
awareness,
but even
so sometimes life just gets the best of me. I threw in the
towel
somewhat
this
week, figured I would just roll with things until the kiddies
were
back
into
school and life resumed something resembling normalcy.
Yesterday
was a
good day,
although much higher in sodium than I'd like .. today was a
great
day.
Sunday is
*toss all the crap in the garbage* day ... fudge, toffee,
cookies -
whatever is
left is going out for the trash pickup. I can't handle it
anymore
and
have
realized the only way I CAN deal with it is to GET IT OUT.
And I
will.

My weight is up a smidge, nothing to get overly excited about
(as
usual) -
but
again, that awareness thing HAS sunk in and I know that if I
don't
do
something
immediately, it ain't gonna happen. I am nowhere close to my
danger
zone
and
clothing fits as usual, and gain could also very well be due
to
monthly
timing ...
doesn't much matter to me. What does matter to me is that I
know
I've
been off
course from where I want to be, and it is definitely time to
once
again
take
control. No time to weigh in today or yesterday, so my
*official*
results
will be
first thing in the morning (or second, depending on how the
morning
goes).
g

But you are right - that possibility of putting it all back on
is
just
dang scary!

Joyce

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 22:25:42 -0800, Fred

wrote:

As I wrote to Brenda, I wish there were a way to determine
what's
what
with gains. I mean, 150 miles of biking, about 6,000 feet
and
26
miles of skiing, even with too much food (grin or sigh)
should
not
be
a gain??? Should it??

But I am below so yup, no paying and more money for skis! (g)

I am aware but just met someone who lost about 50 pounds on
WW
and
then regained much of it. You would think that even with
awareness
this would not happen but it does and that remains scary.

I can easily, too easily, see me falling into the older
patterns
since
I still tend to be a grazer or nosher and can binge up a
storm.



On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 11:02:46 -0600, Prairie Roots

wrote:

Good job on the muscle gain Fred. G

You're still nicely below both your WW goal and your
personal
"cushion" goal. Anyway, one week's unofficial WI doesn't
mean
much
in
the scheme of the things, other than to show you're
maintaining
awareness. Hey, maybe that's what Maintenance is really
about!

Prairie Roots

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 07:13:06 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Okay, this one is for Lesanne

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Again, no official weight this week since the meeting was
cancelled.
And I guess all that exercise last week just piled on
MUSCLE
(G)
rather then taking any fat off my "fat free" body!!!!

I will post a guess-weight and might as well face the music
this
week
unofficially rather than new week with a real higher
weight.

Put me down as UP one pound.

That would be 158.4

And Happy New Year Everyone

Fred