been missing out

I have a theory here, I rarely drink and eat ice-cream less than I drink. I
also rarely eat sugary type items. For example, five miss m's is all I can
get down if I have hot tea or coffee with them. I think the booze was
relaxing but the sugar kept me awake to drink more. Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
Oh my, 24 oz??!!! I would be ready to sleep by the time I got a quarter
of the
way through. LOL

Joyce

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:34:48 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

the lodge at starved rock serves it that way, is wonderful, and really
relaxing at a drink being in a 24 oz shake cup, Lee, hic
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
hmmmmmmmmm, a mudslide milkshake. Now THAT would be an interesting
treat!
G

Joyce

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:51:17 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

It is one of the few alcoholic drinks I actually think tastes good,
and
is
also one of the few ways I like ice-cream, Lee
Lesanne wrote in message
...
It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff
like
chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....

Evil

"Fred" wrote in message
...
I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood"
wrote:

That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to out-run
it.
;-)

ahhh but la this was in the before time so I didn't know that, I am not
gonna tell you after I had the first two I cannot honestly say if I had
three or four or, well you get the picture. DH said he hoped we never came
back to that place again as either the booze or ice-cream made me snore
really bad, Lee
Lesanne wrote in message
...
I would toss that for sure. And that would also be about 50 points I bet

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Oh my, 24 oz??!!! I would be ready to sleep by the time I got a quarter
of the
way through. LOL

Joyce

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:34:48 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

the lodge at starved rock serves it that way, is wonderful, and really
relaxing at a drink being in a 24 oz shake cup, Lee, hic
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
hmmmmmmmmm, a mudslide milkshake. Now THAT would be an interesting
treat!
G

Joyce

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:51:17 -0600, "Miss Violette"

wrote:

It is one of the few alcoholic drinks I actually think tastes good,
and
is
also one of the few ways I like ice-cream, Lee
Lesanne wrote in message
...
It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff
like
chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....

Evil

"Fred" wrote in message
...
I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood"
wrote:

That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to
out-run
it.
;-)

Good, good, good, GREAT point! hehehe - works for me anyway. wink

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:02:00 -0000, "krys" wrote:

not to mention the fact that alcohol evaporated REALLY easily, thus carrying
away calories with it.......*grin*

--
krys

UK 157/132/126
Started March 1st 2001
GOAL August 16th 2001
...definitely making progress...

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
These drinks are pretty hard to get a definite point count on, as everyone
makes
them differently. The Friday's brand of mudslides that is purchased
commercially
only has rum and non-dairy creamer in it - the rest is artificial
flavoring ... no
irish cream, no coffee liqueur - so points should be a bit lower. On
Dottie's, in
the restaurant listing for TGI Fridays, it gives 6.5 points (I think ...
might be
5.5) for a 3 ounce blended mudslide. That's 3 points difference from this
listing
you found on the same website!

BUT .. maybe we can look at it as liquid points - some of that point total
has got
to come out of us pretty quickly - thus not counting .. right? G

Joyce

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:50:22 -0600, "dcsena" wrote:

Ok on Dotties Weight Loss Zone here is what she says on Mudslides, and a
few
others.....
Top 5 worst drinks:
1. Margarita in a pint glass (2 oz. tequila, 2 oz. margarita/sour mix, 1
oz.
triple sec, lime juice, 1 tsp. sugar) - 550 calories (11)
2. Mudslide (1.5 oz. coffee liqueur, 1.5 oz. Irish cream, 1.5 oz.
vodka) -
417 calories (8.5)
3. Long Island Ice Tea (1 oz. vodka, gin, rum, tequila, and triple sec, 2
oz. sour mix, splash of cola) - 380 calories (8)
4. White Russian (1.5 oz. vodka, 1.5 oz. coffee liqueur, 1.5 oz. cream) -
320 calories (6.5)
5. Piña Colada (1.5 oz. rum, 1.5 oz. coconut cream, 3 oz. pineapple
juice) -
293 calories (6)

So I was right....blew the whole wad of flex points! lol

Wow, I forgot there were places in the states that were still like that. I spent
the summers of my youth in a dry county in Missouri ... remember my folks going
out to dinner and hauling their own liquor with them. I'm not much of a drinker,
and normally do prefer just the occassional glass of wine or beer .. but it is so
much more convenient to be able to pick up a needed bottle while doing regular
grocery shopping. I hate having to run all over town to accomplish things. Our
traffic stinks!

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:30:19 -0800, Fred wrote:

I don't think the groceries in this state sell anything that contains
any liquor - state monopoly. Wine and beer, yes at the grocery but it
ends there.

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:38:09 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Grocery store Fred, grocery store. Geeeeeeeeesh, do us women have to teach you
everything? G I haven't been in a *liquor* store for ages either, just dip into
the liquor section of my local grocer.

There are several different *brands* of mudslides, each tends to have their own
secret formula of ingredients. I prefer the Friday's brand - think it is just rum
in the bottled/premixed version ... as far as the alcohol anyway. Less alcohol =
less points, right? G

Joyce

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 22:12:16 -0800, Fred wrote:

I have not been to a state liquor store in years - the last time, as I
recall, was when I was about to remodel the kitchen and needed boxes -
not kidding.

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:01:30 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

You got it Fred, it is bottled by Kahlua, they also have white Russians,
black Russians and a few others that are all made up and ready to drink.

Debbie



"Fred" wrote in message
m...
So mudslides are a bottled commercial product besides being something
you can get made at a bar? I guess you are right - sheltered life (G)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:53:01 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Oh dear, you live such a sheltered life. G They've been around for
years and
years - can't remember exactly how long, but I do recall going through
tons of
them when I was bowling with the *ladies* ... and haven't done that for
about 4 or
5 years now. Like I said, it's a splurge for me. I'm really not much of
a
drinker anymore - think I must have used up all those genes in my youth
(or wore
them out). On the rare occassion that I do have a drink, it's usually
just plain
ol' beer - on a horribly hot and humid summer day. This bottle of
mudslides will
probably still be in the fridge next year, unless the kids make it
disappear. G

Joyce

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:57:58 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Oh, yeah, no info makes it freebie - that is sweet.

You folks all know this mudslide - I'd never heard of them. Oh,
well...

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:10:19 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Oh shucks, no nutritional data on liquor bottles. I guess that means it
is a
freebie. G I took a stab in the dark at 6 points - was what I was
willing to
give it and it took me within a few points of the low end of my target.
Gotta use
those points somewhere. Dang, should have had a bigger glass. G

Joyce

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 19:28:40 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

how many points in a mudslide??

"Joyce" wrote in message
m...
lessee .... coffee started at 7:30 am, continued through about 4pm.
At
4:30 I
finally broke down and ate the last piece of spinach pizza in the
fridge
...
actually, it was about 1/2 a slice. I finally talked hub into
eating
something
for dinner at 8pm ... made up a quick bag of southwestern chipotle
soup
(or
something like that), threw in 1 chicken breast chopped up and a can
of
corn - ate
2 cups of soup, oh, and 2 slices of light italian bread. At 10:30
I gave
in and
had a Mudslide. G Hey, I finally found something that made me
warm!!!
I didn't
bother to journal, know I was well under for the day. Coffee has
resumed
this
morning, but at least I *feel* a little more like eating - might
venture
towards a
bowl of fruit or some toast this morning.

Today is another day, life goes on.

If you feel those weekly weighins will help keep you on track, go
for it!
We
gotta do what we gotta do. And each of us knows how the attacks of
*life*
affects
us, better to do what we can to keep things under control as best we
can.

Joyce

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:48:21 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Okay Joyce, What did you eat? ... I have done really well the
past 3
or
4 days since I decided to weigh in for Feb today. I think I need
to go
weigh in every week until I am out of this "mood" I have been in.


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I can relate to your buddy, I work the same way. When upset or
stressed,
there is
no way I can eat. You do NOT want to know what I've eaten today.
But
I
did
manage to drink an entire pot of coffee (decaf of course).
sigh

Joyce

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:38:34 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

My normal buddy Mozelle (yes that is her real name) gets knots
in her
stomach when stressed and cannot eat. This cold for some reason
has
made
me
both hungry and unable to really exercise. Anyway, I am on the
going
back
down track now, hopefully it will continue.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Grab hold of THE SWITCH and don't let go.

I know it is hard some days. There are the food temptations
which
were always allowed and then there are the triggers - stress,
illness,
whatever. I think it may be time to ask THE NORMALS what they
do
when
stressed as they apparently do not turn to food.

And remember one day or week does not undo everything and
there are
normal ups and downs but being watchful and mindful is also
okay.



On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:15:16 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Oh heck, EVE was an amateur, she only had a committee of
Three I
think.
I
have a veritable zoo in there. They sometimes get into
fights in
the
middle
of the night and wake me up....

I don't think luck will help me this week. If I round the
average
I
am
out
of the one fives even. If I took Today, I would be even with
last
week
though.

I think this is a warning to quit messing around.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, again good luck to you and the others, including EVE.
Have
fun.
And remember, you can lead a horse to the scale but you
can't
make
it
WI!!!

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:48:46 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

We are better this morning after a few days on program
again,
but
we
are
not
really wanting to post this weeks average. Hmmm. Lets
see. I
am
going
for
an "official" February weigh in tomorrow morning. I think
it is
about
time
to change horses again and use that number. It is still
going
to
be
more
than your Tiny self, but maybe not quite as embarassing.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I hope you and sybil and cybyl and cibel do real well.

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:06:44 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

I am all revitalized by Freds massive loss, so have
been
drinking 0
point
soup. I don't want to Embarass us at weigh in (the
southern
ding-a-lings)

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Awwwwwwww shucks Lesanne! I hope your feeling better
soon.
It's
hard
to
stay on
track when you're overworked, overstressed, overtired
and
generally
feeling like
dog poop. G This will be a better week.

Joyce

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:24:50 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

has to delete about a million messages and start
over.
Mom
got
a
bad
cold, so I have been cleaning this and that for
days. I
have
the
cold
now,
but thank God she is better.

Congrats to all those having successes, or failures
and
keeping
on.

Empathy to those struggling.

Betcha Fred gets to be on bottom this week. My diet
has
been
less
than
wonderful.

I do know how fortunate I have been in the way the kids look out for each other.
I don't know how or why it happened, and I'm sure not going to complain. LOL!
They still have their *moments* on occassion ... tonite was one of them. G Big
brother loves to goad little sister, she hasn't yet listened to me about just
ignoring him when he gets into this game. Ignoring removes the fun, the game
stops when it is no longer fun. She prolongs it ... makes me wonder if she really
likes it. LOL

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:01:08 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

That is great that they take care of each other that way. My oldest tries
to mother her sister and her sister rebels. She rebels more against her
older sister than she does against me. I guess that is a good thing, as I
can tell the older one to stop mothering her and all is better for a while.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Unfortunately, my son doesn't seem to have that alcohol intolerant gene in
his
body. G But he is smart (somewhat) and remains safe, practices what he
considers responsibility. He is pretty open with me, to a point. There
are some
things though that a mom just doesn't need to know. G What I find most
amusing/interesting is how the two youngest kids protect each other. They
remain
closed mouth with each others *secrets* (they are very close) until they
think the
other one is in danger of doing something incredibly stupid or dangerous.
A few
weeks ago I was out to lunch with my son, he told me to keep my eyes open
with
baby sis as one of her friends was pushing her to skip classes with him.
OK,
'nuff said, will do. Last week baby sis told me big brother was having
problems
at school (no news to me) and she was really worried about him ... he
isn't happy
mom, he REALLY isn't happy mom and I'm scared. OK - time for mom to act
on this
one and find out what the heck is going on. Which brings us to the most
recent
stress and problems. BUT - once approached he was very open, lots of
tears shed,
fears expressed and soul searching done. I hate to think what may have
happened
had things progressed too far, or if each of the kids didn't have a little
bit of
*squealer* in them. G

Joyce

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:54:49 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

I agree with you completely and do the same thing with my kids. My
oldest
(will be in 20 in a week) is away at college like your son is. She was
so
funny last year, she called me and asked if it was okay if she had a
drink
with her roommate at school. I told her it was not my decision and she
knew
the consequences if she got caught drinking in her dorm room. I told her
just don't drive and don't get in the car with anyone. She ended up
having
one beer and regretted it, apparently she is like me and lacks the enzyme
to
metabolize the alcohol and ended up in bed all weekend feeling lousy. I
think she has had only one drink since then and it did not effect her
that
way.

I am a firm believer of giving the kids enough rope to get out, but not
enough to hang themselves. And to never condemn them for being open and
honest with me. If course the oldest is very open with me and has told
me
things, I don't think a mom should really know about her teenage
daughters
private behind closed door life, if you know what I mean.

Debbie
"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I forbid
something,
all they are going to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much
rather
at least
know that the line of communication is still open and at least know
when
they are
doing something I don't totally agree with (yet is somewhat normal
behavior). The
first thing I told each child when they hit that precarious age is: I
don't
condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find yourself
in
the
situation where you DO have a drink, do not ever get in a car ...
regardless as to
whether you are driving or someone else. Call home. No questions
asked,
no
repercussions, no discussion, no lecture. This is a freebie. I would
much rather
get a phone call to come rescue you, than one from the police or
morgue.
So far
it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is
staying
whereever he is at - keys have been put away safely, and will be
returned
in the
am. My daughter did taste the mudslide the other night - once she knew
she was
not leaving the house.

I still do draw the line at allowing only my kids trying things though.
My son is
19, has had friends over and asked if they could have a beer. Nope,
not
unless
parents are called and have given permission - and they are turning
keys
over to
me. I do not and will not take authority away from another parent -
even
if I do
know what their kids do when away from home.

Joyce

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:57:03 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids try
to
get
to those too. I don't buy them very often unless we are going to a
party
or
having friends over to drink. My kids love my mudslides and beg for
me
to
make them.

Yes I will admit, I am a parent that lets my kids have a taste of
something,
they don't have a full drink, but I will not keep it from them, to
only
have
them sneak around behind my back to get drunk.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route, no
muss,
no fuss
... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So
much
smoother
than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used to
adore).
Biggest problem now is figuring out how to keep the kids out of it,
other
than by
me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun
option.
G

I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and maybe
some
chocolate
syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of
chocolate
and
coffee
flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than
non-dairy
creamer and
10% alcohol. LOL! It's REALLY good if you put it in a blender with
icecubes and
crush it up. hehehe - better put the bottle back in the fridge
before
hub
gets
home and fears I've been nipping for breakfast. EG

Joyce

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:55 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other stuff
like
chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....

Evil

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood"
wrote:

That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to
out-run
it.
;-)

I would say it happened because of good parenting, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
I do know how fortunate I have been in the way the kids look out for each
other.
I don't know how or why it happened, and I'm sure not going to complain.
LOL!
They still have their *moments* on occassion ... tonite was one of them.
G Big
brother loves to goad little sister, she hasn't yet listened to me about
just
ignoring him when he gets into this game. Ignoring removes the fun, the
game
stops when it is no longer fun. She prolongs it ... makes me wonder if
she really
likes it. LOL

Joyce

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:01:08 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

That is great that they take care of each other that way. My oldest
tries
to mother her sister and her sister rebels. She rebels more against her
older sister than she does against me. I guess that is a good thing, as
I
can tell the older one to stop mothering her and all is better for a
while.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Unfortunately, my son doesn't seem to have that alcohol intolerant gene
in
his
body. G But he is smart (somewhat) and remains safe, practices what
he
considers responsibility. He is pretty open with me, to a point.
There
are some
things though that a mom just doesn't need to know. G What I find
most
amusing/interesting is how the two youngest kids protect each other.
They
remain
closed mouth with each others *secrets* (they are very close) until
they
think the
other one is in danger of doing something incredibly stupid or
dangerous.
A few
weeks ago I was out to lunch with my son, he told me to keep my eyes
open
with
baby sis as one of her friends was pushing her to skip classes with
him.
OK,
'nuff said, will do. Last week baby sis told me big brother was having
problems
at school (no news to me) and she was really worried about him ... he
isn't happy
mom, he REALLY isn't happy mom and I'm scared. OK - time for mom to
act
on this
one and find out what the heck is going on. Which brings us to the
most
recent
stress and problems. BUT - once approached he was very open, lots of
tears shed,
fears expressed and soul searching done. I hate to think what may have
happened
had things progressed too far, or if each of the kids didn't have a
little
bit of
*squealer* in them. G

Joyce

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:54:49 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

I agree with you completely and do the same thing with my kids. My
oldest
(will be in 20 in a week) is away at college like your son is. She
was
so
funny last year, she called me and asked if it was okay if she had a
drink
with her roommate at school. I told her it was not my decision and
she
knew
the consequences if she got caught drinking in her dorm room. I told
her
just don't drive and don't get in the car with anyone. She ended up
having
one beer and regretted it, apparently she is like me and lacks the
enzyme
to
metabolize the alcohol and ended up in bed all weekend feeling lousy.
I
think she has had only one drink since then and it did not effect her
that
way.

I am a firm believer of giving the kids enough rope to get out, but
not
enough to hang themselves. And to never condemn them for being open
and
honest with me. If course the oldest is very open with me and has
told
me
things, I don't think a mom should really know about her teenage
daughters
private behind closed door life, if you know what I mean.

Debbie
"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I'm the same way with my kids Debbie. The logic I use is if I
forbid
something,
all they are going to do is do it anyway and lie to me. I'd much
rather
at least
know that the line of communication is still open and at least know
when
they are
doing something I don't totally agree with (yet is somewhat normal
behavior). The
first thing I told each child when they hit that precarious age is:
I
don't
condone the behavior and it is illegal. BUT if you ever find
yourself
in
the
situation where you DO have a drink, do not ever get in a car ...
regardless as to
whether you are driving or someone else. Call home. No questions
asked,
no
repercussions, no discussion, no lecture. This is a freebie. I
would
much rather
get a phone call to come rescue you, than one from the police or
morgue.
So far
it has appeared to work. My son has always called to tell me he is
staying
whereever he is at - keys have been put away safely, and will be
returned
in the
am. My daughter did taste the mudslide the other night - once she
knew
she was
not leaving the house.

I still do draw the line at allowing only my kids trying things
though.
My son is
19, has had friends over and asked if they could have a beer. Nope,
not
unless
parents are called and have given permission - and they are turning
keys
over to
me. I do not and will not take authority away from another parent -
even
if I do
know what their kids do when away from home.

Joyce

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:57:03 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

I but the individual serving bottles in the 4 pack, and the kids
try
to
get
to those too. I don't buy them very often unless we are going to a
party
or
having friends over to drink. My kids love my mudslides and beg
for
me
to
make them.

Yes I will admit, I am a parent that lets my kids have a taste of
something,
they don't have a full drink, but I will not keep it from them, to
only
have
them sneak around behind my back to get drunk.

Debbie

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
mmmmmmmmmmm, but oh so luverly! I go the cheap and easy route,
no
muss,
no fuss
... buy the premixed stuff in a bottle and pour it over ice. So
much
smoother
than kahlua straight up (which I haven't had in years, but used
to
adore).
Biggest problem now is figuring out how to keep the kids out of
it,
other
than by
me downing the whole dang bottle - which is looking like a fun
option.
G

I believe the version I have is rum based, probably cream and
maybe
some
chocolate
syrup also? The bottle description says *a creamy blend of
chocolate
and
coffee
flavors, combined with rum* - no ingredient list other than
non-dairy
creamer and
10% alcohol. LOL! It's REALLY good if you put it in a blender
with
icecubes and
crush it up. hehehe - better put the bottle back in the fridge
before
hub
gets
home and fears I've been nipping for breakfast. EG

Joyce

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:42:55 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

It is a drink, with irish creme, kahlua, and sometimes other
stuff
like
chocolate syrup in one recipe I saw, vodka in another....

Evil

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I don't even know what an "edible" one is!!!

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:11:29 GMT, "frood"
wrote:

That depends on whether you are drinking it, or trying to
out-run
it.
;-)