lowering of metabolism after weight loss

GaryG wrote:

"wendy" wrote in message
...
GaryG wrote:
So, we should all just give up then? Look for help through drugs and
surgery?

Neither of which work either. I didn't say give up. But you also have to
have a realistic idea of what your are trying to accomplish.

A wise person once said, "If you think you can, or you think you
can't...you
are correct."

I think i can fly by flapping my arms. I must be correct.

You think you can't, you think you can't, you think you can't...we get it.

In the words of Dr. Phil, "How's that working for you?".

She seems she is paralyzed by her fear of hunger.

Hopefully the following truths will help her:

(1) It is OK to be hungry. Hunger has never killed anyway. People die
from starvation and not hunger. Starving people are actually not
hungry. Thus, being hungry is a sign that you are **not** starving.

(2) There is a **right** amount of food that ensures optimal weight and
health. This is called an "omer." Optimal health means there will be a
**healthy** appetite (ie hunger).

(3) Benjamin Franklin has said, "Hunger is the best pickle (seasoning)."

(4) Jesus Christ has said, "Bless are you who hunger now, for you will
be satisfied." (Luke 6:21)

(5) Hunger is to a healthy person as a canary is to a **surviving** coal
miner.


At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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GaryG wrote:

"wendy" wrote in message
...
Roger Zoul wrote:
All evidence
is going
the other way.


And you know this how? Most who generate this "evidence" aren't even
trying.

The increasing rates of obesity throughout the world. Over half of the
people are on a diet at any one time. They may not be trying hard enough
for you but they are trying.

Many yogis can control their breathing so they can stay

in a coffin for days. It's possible. Can the other 99.999956% of
humanity? Unlikely.

Meaningless.

Not if you can tell the difference between something that is easily
under your control and something that is barely on the edge of control.
What is meaningless is your simplistic and magical idea of just eat less.

You seem to be a very negative person...specifically, a "toxic personality".
Do you ever get referred to as "Whiny Wendy"?

Other than a forum for you to vent about how impossible it is to lose weight
(something many of the regular posters here have managed, somehow, to do),
what's the point of this thread? While it's ostensibly a thread to discuss
a study on starved rat metabolism, it's really telling us much more about
your outlook on life, and your personal issues in coming to grips with your
weight.


She is not alone in her fear of hunger, Gary.

Hopefully the following truths will help her:

(1) It is OK to be hungry. Hunger has never killed anyway. People die
from starvation and not hunger. Starving people are actually not
hungry. Thus, being hungry is a sign that you are **not** starving.

(2) There is a **right** amount of food that ensures optimal weight and
health. This is called an "omer." Optimal health means there will be a
**healthy** appetite (ie hunger).

(3) Benjamin Franklin has said, "Hunger is the best pickle (seasoning)."

(4) Jesus Christ has said, "Bless are you who hunger now, for you will
be satisfied." (Luke 6:21)

(5) Hunger is to a healthy person as a canary is to a **surviving** coal
miner.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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wendy wrote:

Roger Zoul wrote:
All evidence
is going
the other way.


And you know this how? Most who generate this "evidence" aren't even trying.

The increasing rates of obesity throughout the world. Over half of the
people are on a diet at any one time. They may not be trying hard enough
for you but they are trying.

It is my belief that in time they will find out how to lose weight
permanently.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD announces again:

I have written that there are **more** than 625,550 people with **more**
than 5 years experience with the 2PD-OMER Approach. All have **not**
regained what they have lost in weight.

I'm sure Chung will be glad to provide a "believable" link to substantiate
this ridiculous statement...........
However, it "could" be true if they're all dead........

On 4/14/2005 4:15 PM, wendy wrote:
jmk wrote:

OTOH, if people go into this thinking, in order to be more healthy, I
should eat X and exercise Y, I do feel that they will have long term
success. It's all about the mindset/attitude.


But it's not. It's more about how our bodies are. Just like running.
You'll never be as fast as person with a lot of fast twitch muscle
fibres. Clearly to be a world class athelete requires an immense amount
of work and steroids, but it's difficult to overcome your genetic heritage.

If you are born with fewer dopamine receptors you are much more likely
to be an addict and/or overweight. Plus a dozen other hormone
interactions that are genetic. Plus the instinct to eat in our fat/sugar
environment. Plus we don't need to exercise to survive anymore.

To say it's all about mindset is to not really understand what's going on.

It is not my experience that this is the case. If you feel that
everyone is destined for fail, why the hell hare you here? What kind of
SUPPORT are you providing for ANYONE?

--
jmk in NC

wendy wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::: All evidence
:::: is going
:::: the other way.
:::
:::
::: And you know this how? Most who generate this "evidence" aren't
::: even trying.
::
:: The increasing rates of obesity throughout the world. Over half of
:: the people are on a diet at any one time. They may not be trying
:: hard enough for you but they are trying.

And how do you know this? Obviously, they aren't eating a little less than
they burn. Why? Who knows, but it is likely that they really don't want
to. It's easier not to.

::
::: Many yogis can control their breathing so they can stay
:::
:::: in a coffin for days. It's possible. Can the other 99.999956% of
:::: humanity? Unlikely.
:::
::: Meaningless.
::
:: Not if you can tell the difference between something that is easily
:: under your control and something that is barely on the edge of
:: control. What is meaningless is your simplistic and magical idea of
:: just eat less.

Okay, obviously if you think "eat less" is somehow magical than you're
doomed to never lose any weight. And if you're a normal weight, then you're
completely clueless about the subject.

Losing weight and keeping it off is hard work, there's no doubt. It's not
simple to do. What needs to be done IS simple, however, and anyone who
wishes to do so can do it if they want to do it. If you eat less than you
burn you'll lose weight. It has to be done consistently over time for the
reality of the statement to become evident to the individual, but it's been
proven over and over.

Roger Zoul wrote:

wendy wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::: All evidence
:::: is going
:::: the other way.
:::
:::
::: And you know this how? Most who generate this "evidence" aren't
::: even trying.
::
:: The increasing rates of obesity throughout the world. Over half of
:: the people are on a diet at any one time. They may not be trying
:: hard enough for you but they are trying.

And how do you know this? Obviously, they aren't eating a little less than
they burn. Why? Who knows, but it is likely that they really don't want
to. It's easier not to.

::
::: Many yogis can control their breathing so they can stay
:::
:::: in a coffin for days. It's possible. Can the other 99.999956% of
:::: humanity? Unlikely.
:::
::: Meaningless.
::
:: Not if you can tell the difference between something that is easily
:: under your control and something that is barely on the edge of
:: control. What is meaningless is your simplistic and magical idea of
:: just eat less.

Okay, obviously if you think "eat less" is somehow magical than you're
doomed to never lose any weight. And if you're a normal weight, then you're
completely clueless about the subject.

Losing weight and keeping it off is hard work, there's no doubt. It's not
simple to do.

Actually it is simple:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

The choice to befriend the healthier appetite that arises from
decreasing intake down to the **right** amount is a difficult choice for
many to make.

Truth **is** simple.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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blash wrote:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD announces again:

I have written that there are **more** than 625,550 people with **more**
than 5 years experience with the 2PD-OMER Approach. All have **not**
regained what they have lost in weight.

I'm sure Chung will be glad to provide a "believable" link to substantiate
this ridiculous statement...........
However, it "could" be true if they're all dead........

The experiences of these people have been publicly presented and
discussed before an audience made up of medical professionals and
general public:

http://www.geocities.com/todayswoman2005/

The governor of the state of Georgia is also awa

http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD tap-dances:

blash wrote:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD announces again:

I have written that there are **more** than 625,550 people with **more**
than 5 years experience with the 2PD-OMER Approach. All have **not**
regained what they have lost in weight.

I'm sure Chung will be glad to provide a "believable" link to substantiate
this ridiculous statement...........
However, it "could" be true if they're all dead........

The experiences of these people have been publicly presented and
discussed before an audience made up of medical professionals and
general public:

http://www.geocities.com/todayswoman2005/

Now, THAT'S impressive.........."Celebrating the Modern Woman" presented by
The Marietta Lions Club and East Cobb Lions Club Foundation.........(and it
also included a Family Fashion Show by Belk Department Stores)....WOW!!!!
Is that a new medical society???

blash wrote:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD tap-dances:

blash wrote:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD announces again:

I have written that there are **more** than 625,550 people with **more**
than 5 years experience with the 2PD-OMER Approach. All have **not**
regained what they have lost in weight.

I'm sure Chung will be glad to provide a "believable" link to substantiate
this ridiculous statement...........
However, it "could" be true if they're all dead........

The experiences of these people have been publicly presented and
discussed before an audience made up of medical professionals and
general public:

http://www.geocities.com/todayswoman2005/

Now, THAT'S impressive.........."Celebrating the Modern Woman" presented by
The Marietta Lions Club and East Cobb Lions Club Foundation.........(and it
also included a Family Fashion Show by Belk Department Stores)....WOW!!!!
Is that a new medical society???

The Lions Club is the largest civic organization in the world.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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