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In alt.support.diet.low-carb Ignoramus16674 wrote:
In article , jt wrote:
On 17 Aug 2004 17:05:48 GMT, Ignoramus16674
wrote:
....

uh huh that is their natural habitat?

Well, yes. Wild boars are not the same as pigs. They are not
agricultural animals. Whereas, the natural habitat for cows is a
pasture, where they graze.

City kid? Domestic animals do not have a 'natural habitat' and haven't
for a very, very long time. What they have had is an 'artificial
habitat', created and managed by humans. We can make their habitat and
quality of life better by making it as 'natural' as possible, but
'natural' is a lot of work.

So, saying that a cow is free range, is meaningful, whereas to say
that a pig os free range, is not.

Unless, of course, you are a farmer raising free range pigs. Free range
doesn't mean that they get all their nutrition from their 'range', it
means that they spend time outdoors and have freedom of movement, usually
within a fenced enclosure. Free range domestic animals are routinely fed
'processed' feeds, whether it's artificially dried grass (=hay) for times
when pasture grass is not enough, and/or pelleted feeds and/or grain.

Free range and organic are not synonymous. If a farmer aspires to
'certified organic', the feed and management practices have to meet
certain standards.

Dan
325/211/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

In alt.support.diet.low-carb Ignoramus16674 wrote:
In article , jt wrote:
On 17 Aug 2004 17:05:48 GMT, Ignoramus16674
wrote:
....

uh huh that is their natural habitat?

Well, yes. Wild boars are not the same as pigs. They are not
agricultural animals. Whereas, the natural habitat for cows is a
pasture, where they graze.

City kid? Domestic animals do not have a 'natural habitat' and haven't
for a very, very long time. What they have had is an 'artificial
habitat', created and managed by humans. We can make their habitat and
quality of life better by making it as 'natural' as possible, but
'natural' is a lot of work.

So, saying that a cow is free range, is meaningful, whereas to say
that a pig os free range, is not.

Unless, of course, you are a farmer raising free range pigs. Free range
doesn't mean that they get all their nutrition from their 'range', it
means that they spend time outdoors and have freedom of movement, usually
within a fenced enclosure. Free range domestic animals are routinely fed
'processed' feeds, whether it's artificially dried grass (=hay) for times
when pasture grass is not enough, and/or pelleted feeds and/or grain.

Free range and organic are not synonymous. If a farmer aspires to
'certified organic', the feed and management practices have to meet
certain standards.

Dan
325/211/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

Daniel Hoffmeister wrote:
|| In alt.support.diet.low-carb Ignoramus16674
|| wrote:
||| In article , jt wrote:
|||| On 17 Aug 2004 17:05:48 GMT, Ignoramus16674
|||| wrote:
|| ...
||||
|||| uh huh that is their natural habitat?
||
||| Well, yes. Wild boars are not the same as pigs. They are not
||| agricultural animals. Whereas, the natural habitat for cows is a
||| pasture, where they graze.
||
|| City kid? Domestic animals do not have a 'natural habitat' and
|| haven't
|| for a very, very long time. What they have had is an 'artificial
|| habitat', created and managed by humans. We can make their habitat
|| and
|| quality of life better by making it as 'natural' as possible, but
|| 'natural' is a lot of work.
||
||| So, saying that a cow is free range, is meaningful, whereas to say
||| that a pig os free range, is not.
||
|| Unless, of course, you are a farmer raising free range pigs. Free
|| range
|| doesn't mean that they get all their nutrition from their 'range', it
|| means that they spend time outdoors and have freedom of movement,
|| usually
|| within a fenced enclosure. Free range domestic animals are
|| routinely fed 'processed' feeds, whether it's artificially dried
|| grass (=hay) for times
|| when pasture grass is not enough, and/or pelleted feeds and/or grain.
||
|| Free range and organic are not synonymous. If a farmer aspires to
|| 'certified organic', the feed and management practices have to meet
|| certain standards.
||

I've seen the term "free range" used to imply that the animals are not fed
grains. The graze and hence produce meat that is lower in sat fat and
higher in omega-3 fats than grain-fed animals. I think the same term is
being used to imply different things, depending on whether the emphasis is
on producing healthier foods (and healthier animals) or providing a better
quality of life for the animals.

Daniel Hoffmeister wrote:
|| In alt.support.diet.low-carb Ignoramus16674
|| wrote:
||| In article , jt wrote:
|||| On 17 Aug 2004 17:05:48 GMT, Ignoramus16674
|||| wrote:
|| ...
||||
|||| uh huh that is their natural habitat?
||
||| Well, yes. Wild boars are not the same as pigs. They are not
||| agricultural animals. Whereas, the natural habitat for cows is a
||| pasture, where they graze.
||
|| City kid? Domestic animals do not have a 'natural habitat' and
|| haven't
|| for a very, very long time. What they have had is an 'artificial
|| habitat', created and managed by humans. We can make their habitat
|| and
|| quality of life better by making it as 'natural' as possible, but
|| 'natural' is a lot of work.
||
||| So, saying that a cow is free range, is meaningful, whereas to say
||| that a pig os free range, is not.
||
|| Unless, of course, you are a farmer raising free range pigs. Free
|| range
|| doesn't mean that they get all their nutrition from their 'range', it
|| means that they spend time outdoors and have freedom of movement,
|| usually
|| within a fenced enclosure. Free range domestic animals are
|| routinely fed 'processed' feeds, whether it's artificially dried
|| grass (=hay) for times
|| when pasture grass is not enough, and/or pelleted feeds and/or grain.
||
|| Free range and organic are not synonymous. If a farmer aspires to
|| 'certified organic', the feed and management practices have to meet
|| certain standards.
||

I've seen the term "free range" used to imply that the animals are not fed
grains. The graze and hence produce meat that is lower in sat fat and
higher in omega-3 fats than grain-fed animals. I think the same term is
being used to imply different things, depending on whether the emphasis is
on producing healthier foods (and healthier animals) or providing a better
quality of life for the animals.