Trolls

Can we please ignore the trolls. Kill file them, block sender or some other
such thing. This is supposed to be a support group for people who know they
can't lose weight any other way but by an Atkins type diet.
Thanks,
AK in PA

AK&DStrohl wrote:
Can we please ignore the trolls. Kill file them, block sender

Block sender?

or some other
such thing. This is supposed to be a support group for people who know they
can't lose weight any other way but by an Atkins type diet.
Thanks,
AK in PA




No it isn't, it is a low carb support group, not an Atkins support
group. Many people eat low carb without doing anything like Atkins.


Salty

snip This is supposed to be a support group for people who know they
can't lose weight any other way but by an Atkins type diet.
Thanks,
AK in PA


No it isn't, it is a low carb support group, not an Atkins support group.
Many people eat low carb without doing anything like Atkins.


Salty

That's interesting. Please elaborate. I am interested in knowing what you
are talking about.

Pat in TX

Pat in TX wrote:
snip This is supposed to be a support group for people who know they

can't lose weight any other way but by an Atkins type diet.
Thanks,
AK in PA


No it isn't, it is a low carb support group, not an Atkins support group.
Many people eat low carb without doing anything like Atkins.


Salty


That's interesting. Please elaborate. I am interested in knowing what you
are talking about.

Pat in TX


Many people, myself included, have reduced carbs from a previous high
level(in my case 400-500 plus in my competitive days) to a recommended
healthy level of 140-160gms per day. It isn't necessary to drop to the
Atkins inductions levels that induce ketosis. You lose weight quite
readily and relatively quickly while still keeping sufficient carbs for
energy etc. I eat around 170gm average at the moment, spread over four
or five meals per day. There are several people on here who are also on
the diabetes groups and who do something similar, cut a lot of carbs but
not to Atkins levels.

I tried Atkins levels but found myself lacking energy and losing muscle
weight so I increased to my current level and that allowed me to work
out without fatigue and to drop body fat percentage below ten percent
from about twelve-thirteen. It is very much a YMMV scenario, with many
arguing for or against very low carb levels. I suspect that those that
argue for the very low, induction type levels didn't give it a
reasonable go on higher levels.

Effectively I eat almost nothing from a packet, all my food is fresh and
most of my carbs come from fruit and vegetables, with a very small
quantity of whole grain, wholemeal bread, muesli or cereal. I avoid all
refined carb products, as well as flour, sugar, rice, pasta, sodas or
potatoes. Aside from that, I eat in a fairly normal fashion. I have no
trouble eating in restaurants etc., and can on occasion eat something
with carbs if it is too difficult to avoid, like sauces in restaurant
meals etc.


Salty

"Salty Dog" wrote in message
...

Many people, myself included, have reduced carbs from a previous high
level(in my case 400-500 plus in my competitive days) to a recommended
healthy level of 140-160gms per day. It isn't necessary to drop to the
Atkins inductions levels that induce ketosis. You lose weight quite
readily and relatively quickly while still keeping sufficient carbs for
energy etc. I eat around 170gm average at the moment, spread over four or
five meals per day. There are several people on here who are also on the
diabetes groups and who do something similar, cut a lot of carbs but not
to Atkins levels.

That included myself. I am not doing Atkins, just low carbing and
exercising.

Effectively I eat almost nothing from a packet, all my food is fresh and
most of my carbs come from fruit and vegetables, with a very small
quantity of whole grain, wholemeal bread, muesli or cereal. I avoid all
refined carb products, as well as flour, sugar, rice, pasta, sodas or
potatoes.

We're on a very similar diet. ) These diets do work. Atkins seemed a
bit extreme for me, but appears to be the only thing that works for some
other folks.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155.5 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

We're on a very similar diet. ) These diets do work. Atkins seemed a
bit extreme for me, but appears to be the only thing that works for some
other folks.

LW


Just wondering; did you read the Atkins book?

Pat in TX

"Pat in TX" wrote in message
...

We're on a very similar diet. ) These diets do work. Atkins seemed a
bit extreme for me, but appears to be the only thing that works for some
other folks.

LW


Just wondering; did you read the Atkins book?

Yes. I never did the induction and still lost 9 lbs the first 2 weeks. I
just dropped useless carbs such as white bread, white rice, rolls, bagels,
corn on the carb, potatoes etc. At first the weight just melted off like
hot butter. But when I hit the 6th month it dragged to a near halt, then
nothing at all. After maintaining for a year I'm now low-carbing again, but
also limiting calories to 1200 a day.

LW
Re-Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
Today - 155.5 lbs
Goal - 130 lbs
Height: 5'6" Age: 61
Don't worry about what people think,
they don't do it very often.
===================================

Salty Dog wrote:
:: Pat in TX wrote:
::: snip This is supposed to be a support group for people who know
::: they
:::
::::: can't lose weight any other way but by an Atkins type diet.
::::: Thanks,
::::: AK in PA
::::
::::
:::: No it isn't, it is a low carb support group, not an Atkins support
:::: group. Many people eat low carb without doing anything like Atkins.
::::
::::
:::: Salty
:::
:::
::: That's interesting. Please elaborate. I am interested in knowing
::: what you are talking about.
:::
::: Pat in TX
::
::
:: Many people, myself included, have reduced carbs from a previous high
:: level(in my case 400-500 plus in my competitive days) to a
:: recommended healthy level of 140-160gms per day. It isn't necessary
:: to drop to the Atkins inductions levels that induce ketosis.

Atkins inductions levels only last for 2 weeks. So, someone actually doing
Atkins will only spend 2 weeks of a lifetime at induction levels. After
that, one is free to ramp carb levels in accord with activity & lifestyle.
There is NO dictate that a certain carb level be met beyond induction.
Most people can function find on less than 100g a day because they are
INACTIVE (ie, most older Americans).


You
:: lose weight quite readily and relatively quickly while still keeping
:: sufficient carbs for energy etc. I eat around 170gm average at the
:: moment, spread over four or five meals per day.

Certainly you can. Is that in question? That's why low fat diets work,
too.


There are several
:: people on here who are also on the diabetes groups and who do
:: something similar, cut a lot of carbs but not to Atkins levels.

What are "Atkins levels" again?

::
:: I tried Atkins levels but found myself lacking energy and losing
:: muscle weight so I increased to my current level and that allowed me
:: to work out without fatigue and to drop body fat percentage below
:: ten percent from about twelve-thirteen.

What does this mean? What are "Atkins levels" and how did you know you lost
muscle weight? I didn't lose any noticable muscle weight while LCing at
less than 100g per day. Of course, I was lifting while doing it. Most any
diet that results in weight loss via calorie restriction will result in
muscle loss if you don't attempt to minimize it by resistance training.


It is very much a YMMV
:: scenario, with many arguing for or against very low carb levels. I
:: suspect that those that argue for the very low, induction type
:: levels didn't give it a reasonable go on higher levels.

Even Atkins doesn't argument for induction levels, Salty. It's just a
two-week "detox" period. I agree that some don't follow the rules as
written, but then they aren't typically doing Atkins.

::
:: Effectively I eat almost nothing from a packet, all my food is fresh
:: and most of my carbs come from fruit and vegetables, with a very
:: small quantity of whole grain, wholemeal bread, muesli or cereal. I
:: avoid all refined carb products, as well as flour, sugar, rice,
:: pasta, sodas or potatoes. Aside from that, I eat in a fairly normal
:: fashion. I have no trouble eating in restaurants etc., and can on
:: occasion eat something with carbs if it is too difficult to avoid,
:: like sauces in restaurant meals etc.
::

Sounds good to me. I call that low carb.

In article , says...


snip This is supposed to be a support group for people who know they
can't lose weight any other way but by an Atkins type diet.
Thanks,
AK in PA


No it isn't, it is a low carb support group, not an Atkins support group.
Many people eat low carb without doing anything like Atkins.


Salty

That's interesting. Please elaborate. I am interested in knowing what you
are talking about.

Pat in TX

Isn't SB low carb?

Just wondering; did you read the Atkins book?

Yes. I never did the induction and still lost 9 lbs the first 2 weeks. I
just dropped useless carbs such as white bread, white rice, rolls, bagels,
corn on the carb, potatoes etc. At first the weight just melted off like
hot butter. But when I hit the 6th month it dragged to a near halt, then
nothing at all. After maintaining for a year I'm now low-carbing again,
but also limiting calories to 1200 a day.

LW

I think the most important part of induction was showing me how much sugar I
was eating. I think that's the major aim of induction--to let people know
they have been "hooked" on sugar and lots of it. Once that sugar craving is
broken, I have found it easier to stay away from sugar just by thinking how
I felt--the cravings--on induction.

Pat in TX