SUBS for GOODIES

Well put. ;-)

Om

LC 01-04-05
273-232-150

In article ,
(Lass Chance) wrote:

ROFL....jeeez, Om... couldnt have said it better, myself.

A fat person CAN lose weight...but an asshole is always an asshole.....

LassChance

"You, sir, are an asshole.
Welcome to my killfile!
Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

World Market sells Torani sugar-free syrups....just as good as DaVinci
IMHO. For DaVinci, try Marshall's, TJMaxx and Ross.

Myron at the beach

Sherry wrote:

I gotta get me some of that daVinci's, they probably have it at World Market
I'd think? They have everything else there...your faux ice cream sounds
excellent!

I know that my views aren't going to be the most popular, but I'll
share them anyway. First, let me start by saying that I understand that
it's easy to miss stuff like bread, ice cream and chocolate. I believe
that when you search for substitutes, even low carb ones, you are
ultimately sabotaging yourself. Now before people start jumping down my
throat, I repeat, that's just my opinion.

Maybe you are one of the lucky ones who can differentiate between the
low carb version and the high carb version of chocolate or sweets and
maybe your body will only crave the low carb version. Not mine. Give me
sweet treats and I want more. I like the taste. I don't need it. I just
like it. And I don't have the discipline to stop at at a measly 1/2 cup
serving or 2 squares of the low carb version. Nope. After a bad day, or
when I'm tired or lonely or feeling insecure I'll eat all of it. I
wager to say that there are some of you out there in Usenet land who
will too.

In the years since I reached my goal weught I've learned to separate
mouth hunger from real hunger. When I want something sweet, real sweet,
I make a cup of tea or coffee and pour in some DaVinci. I have almost
every flavor they make. (Netrition is my friend $4.95 for shipping any
sized order......) Or, I brush my teeth with a citrusy toothpaste. I
have found that I don't always need to eat. That demon inside me
doesn't need to be fed every time.

And for those who are thinking I deprive myself, I don't. I have
dessert or treats sometimes. Usually when I'm out-when the portion is
controlled and when I can share it with others.

It's a balancing act. Juggling. And I believe that the way to getting
to goal and staying there is retraining yourself-not substituting a low
carb version of one food for its high carb counterpart.

Duffy
182/122
since 12-01-01

In article .com,
"Duffy" wrote:

I know that my views aren't going to be the most popular, but I'll
share them anyway. First, let me start by saying that I understand that
it's easy to miss stuff like bread, ice cream and chocolate. I believe
that when you search for substitutes, even low carb ones, you are
ultimately sabotaging yourself. Now before people start jumping down my
throat, I repeat, that's just my opinion.

Maybe you are one of the lucky ones who can differentiate between the
low carb version and the high carb version of chocolate or sweets and
maybe your body will only crave the low carb version. Not mine. Give me
sweet treats and I want more. I like the taste. I don't need it. I just
like it. And I don't have the discipline to stop at at a measly 1/2 cup
serving or 2 squares of the low carb version. Nope. After a bad day, or
when I'm tired or lonely or feeling insecure I'll eat all of it. I
wager to say that there are some of you out there in Usenet land who
will too.

In the years since I reached my goal weught I've learned to separate
mouth hunger from real hunger. When I want something sweet, real sweet,
I make a cup of tea or coffee and pour in some DaVinci. I have almost
every flavor they make. (Netrition is my friend $4.95 for shipping any
sized order......) Or, I brush my teeth with a citrusy toothpaste. I
have found that I don't always need to eat. That demon inside me
doesn't need to be fed every time.

And for those who are thinking I deprive myself, I don't. I have
dessert or treats sometimes. Usually when I'm out-when the portion is
controlled and when I can share it with others.

It's a balancing act. Juggling. And I believe that the way to getting
to goal and staying there is retraining yourself-not substituting a low
carb version of one food for its high carb counterpart.

Duffy
182/122
since 12-01-01


As you say, it's a balancing act...... :-)
I've found that both can apply.

Substituting works most of the time for me, but not all the time.
My worst "cheat" is probably Churches fried chicken.
I am NOT going to peel that breading off! It's the best part.

I'll put a craving for that stuff off for weeks, then give in to it and
restrict myself to the 3 piece meal. That lasts for 3 meals too. lol
It freezes well.

I know exactly where you are coming from. The trick is just not to do it
every day.

I've not had a real pastry now in at least 2 years, but did not get
really "strict" about LC'ing until just this past January when I went to
see a good endocrinologist. No matter how strict I was, it was not
working like it should have. My thyroid levels were still off and I
found out I had really bad IR that needed treating.

Re-doing my thyroid meds and being put on Glucophage (Metformin) along
with Adderall seems to have solved the problem. I have all the "will
power" in the world if the damn plan actually works and I see the scale
go down! If your endocrine system is F-d up enough, even strict LC'ing
won't work well. It's very frustrating.

Carb cravings were not really an issue. I'm a carnivoire at heart!

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"Duffy" wrote in message
oups.com...
I know that my views aren't going to be the most popular, but I'll
share them anyway. First, let me start by saying that I understand that
it's easy to miss stuff like bread, ice cream and chocolate. I believe
that when you search for substitutes, even low carb ones, you are
ultimately sabotaging yourself. Now before people start jumping down my
throat, I repeat, that's just my opinion.

Maybe you are one of the lucky ones who can differentiate between the
low carb version and the high carb version of chocolate or sweets and
maybe your body will only crave the low carb version. Not mine. Give me
sweet treats and I want more. I like the taste. I don't need it. I just
like it. And I don't have the discipline to stop at at a measly 1/2 cup
serving or 2 squares of the low carb version. Nope. After a bad day, or
when I'm tired or lonely or feeling insecure I'll eat all of it. I
wager to say that there are some of you out there in Usenet land who
will too.

In the years since I reached my goal weught I've learned to separate
mouth hunger from real hunger. When I want something sweet, real sweet,
I make a cup of tea or coffee and pour in some DaVinci. I have almost
every flavor they make. (Netrition is my friend $4.95 for shipping any
sized order......) Or, I brush my teeth with a citrusy toothpaste. I
have found that I don't always need to eat. That demon inside me
doesn't need to be fed every time.

And for those who are thinking I deprive myself, I don't. I have
dessert or treats sometimes. Usually when I'm out-when the portion is
controlled and when I can share it with others.

It's a balancing act. Juggling. And I believe that the way to getting
to goal and staying there is retraining yourself-not substituting a low
carb version of one food for its high carb counterpart.

Duffy
182/122
since 12-01-01

Duffy there's no way your opinion can be wrong, opinions aren't right or
wrong, and your experience bears out that what you're saying is true for
you - unpopular or not .

I can say that when I eat my CarbQuik version of anything bread-y (LC
biscuits or pizza crust - exception being sprout bread), I want more than I
should have. And if I have more than I know I should (ie, 3 biscuits
instead of 1), then I feel logy the next day. I've never had much of a
sweet tooth so I don't have the same experience with the LC chocolate almond
cookies I make, I can eat one and never think about them again. But the
bread-y stuff I have to (a) watch my portions, and (b) exercise
self-control. But it is worth it to me to have these foods occasionally
(once a week or so, for one meal), as long as I only make enough for that
one meal with no leftovers.

Anyway, I understand what you are saying and can see how substituting can be
an issue.

--
Sherry
360/?/195
LC since 4/4/05
My LC Journey - www.livejournal.com/users/ShrinkingSherry

On Mon, 30 May 2005 19:54:02 -0400, Lass Chance wrote in
alt.support.diet.low-carb:


"You, sir, are an asshole.
Welcome to my killfile!
Cheers!

ROFL....jeeez, Om... couldnt have said it better, myself.

A fat person CAN lose weight...but an asshole is always an asshole.....

LassChance

Supposed to be a true story:

British society lady to W. Churchill (famous PM and semi-pro drinker):
Sir, you are drunk!
WC: Yes Madam, and YOU are ugly. Tomorrow morning I shall be sober.

--
6/2/2003 181/170/here?

Duffy wrote:

I know that my views aren't going to be the most popular, but I'll
share them anyway.

Chuckle. I have often been accused of having unpopular
opinions.

First, let me start by saying that I understand that
it's easy to miss stuff like bread, ice cream and chocolate. I believe
that when you search for substitutes, even low carb ones, you are
ultimately sabotaging yourself. Now before people start jumping down my
throat, I repeat, that's just my opinion.

Feeding an addiction makes it stronger. Starving an
addiction makes it weaker. To the extent your desires
are addictive, I agree that avoidance is best.

Maybe you are one of the lucky ones who can differentiate between the
low carb version and the high carb version of chocolate or sweets and
maybe your body will only crave the low carb version. Not mine. Give me
sweet treats and I want more. I like the taste. I don't need it. I just
like it. And I don't have the discipline to stop at at a measly 1/2 cup
serving or 2 squares of the low carb version. Nope. After a bad day, or
when I'm tired or lonely or feeling insecure I'll eat all of it. I
wager to say that there are some of you out there in Usenet land who
will too.

I'll offer a moderated version that's my opinion:

Generally the earlier you are in your plan the more important
avoidance is. It takes time to learn what you can and can't
get away with. It takes more time to learn what you will
and won't get away with. It takes even more time to learn
what you do and don't want to get away with. But just plain
more months isn't enough, it has to be months learning your
body's reactions and your mind's reactions.

In the years since I reached my goal weught I've learned to separate
mouth hunger from real hunger ...

I have found it a hard lesson to learn.

And for those who are thinking I deprive myself, I don't. I have
dessert or treats sometimes. Usually when I'm out-when the portion is
controlled and when I can share it with others.

It's a balancing act. Juggling.

Check.

And I believe that the way to getting
to goal and staying there is retraining yourself-not substituting a low
carb version of one food for its high carb counterpart.

Because of my opinions above, my reaction to a newbie asking
about substitutes is different from my reaction to someone a
year in asking about substitutes. Early on I think substitutes
are usually a recipe for disaster, but the later in the less
I think that's true. But the risk never goes away no matter
how far into the plan, it just goes from high risk to lower,
whatever lower means.

In article ,
Dick Yuknavech I-give-up.@dontspamcom wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2005 19:54:02 -0400, Lass Chance wrote in
alt.support.diet.low-carb:


"You, sir, are an asshole.
Welcome to my killfile!
Cheers!

ROFL....jeeez, Om... couldnt have said it better, myself.

A fat person CAN lose weight...but an asshole is always an asshole.....

LassChance

Supposed to be a true story:

British society lady to W. Churchill (famous PM and semi-pro drinker):
Sir, you are drunk!
WC: Yes Madam, and YOU are ugly. Tomorrow morning I shall be sober.

--
6/2/2003 181/170/here?

lol
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Lass Chance) wrote:

Much as Im loving my LC diet...I find I DO miss a couple of goodies.
Chocolate, for one, bread and icecream.

You don't have to give up any of those...
Chocolate by itself is naturally low carb.

It's the sugar added to it that makes it bad.

You should be able to make your own low carb chocolate treats using
cocoa powder.

Bread. Yeah, I miss bread too. I usually satisfy that craving by using
low carb tortillas. ;-)
There are also low carb bake mixes if you want to try making your own.
They are ok...


Dusty taught me that sour dough bread is lower in carbs...and a very
thin slice, every now and then.......YUM!

Look at Rye bread sometime too.
Portion control of course is another way to handle it. G


I have already discovered my perfect ice cream substiturte---a blend of
whipped cream, ricotta cheese and a big splash of daVinci Amaretto
flovored no-sugar syrup.
Stick in in the freezer for an hour.

Sounds great! I've also recently found some really decent ice cream bars
in the freezer section that have an acceptable carb content as long as I
sacrifice elsewhere on my 25 gram per day limit.

They are VERY good also! My house mate at about 3 per day until the box
was gone at only 6 grams per bar. lol I was more than happy to provide
them for him when he goes on an ice cream kick! ;-d


my chocolate bar substitute is: melt a few squares of Baker's Chocolate
(has no sweeteners) in a double boiler. add some heavy cream and a big
splash of daVinci syrup, any flavor. I use Praline. Give it the ole
fingetr lick test to see if you want to add Splenda or more syrup. Stir
til the cream is absorbed and pour onto a buttered plate. Put it in the
fridge to harden. a 1 oz. piece is about 10 grams carb---but a half a
piece is enough to satisfy my chocolate "monkey".

The significance of these substitutes is, the ONLY things Ive been
missing are chocolate, icecream and bread. Now....I have a reasonable
carb substitute for each of these usually high carb delights.
When Im jonesing for something 'sweet", these do the trick.

Im especially pleased with my low carb chocolate---It tastes MUCH more
chocolaty than milk chocolate bars, and since it comes in a hard block,
naturally it returns to hardness when cooled. Next time, I'll try using
a wee bit more cream.....and maybe Hazlenut syrup....

LassChance

Ain't it grand? :-)

Now I just wish they made a sugar free Nutella.....
or I'm going to have to learn to make a substitute!


I've seen 'Hazelnut butter' in the whole foods section of the supermarket,
if you have LC chocolate somewhere you could mix some in, otherwise some
cocoa and AS should do it

In article ,
"Kay" wrote:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
...

Now I just wish they made a sugar free Nutella.....
or I'm going to have to learn to make a substitute!


I've seen 'Hazelnut butter' in the whole foods section of the supermarket,
if you have LC chocolate somewhere you could mix some in, otherwise some
cocoa and AS should do it

I may have to experiment when I have some time.....
Nut butters ARE great in very small amounts for LC treats.

Nutella tho' is a food group unto itself.
It's not been in the house now for a good 3 years or so
due to it's essence of pure evil. G
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson