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Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect



 
 
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Old February 25th, 2004, 09:52 PM
David
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Old February 25th, 2004, 10:10 PM
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Carbs aren't supposed to help build muscles.
They're supposed to maintain brain function if you get at
least 120 grams a day (American College for Preventive Medicine)
and to light the match so to speak so you can burn fat.

Diarmid Logan wrote:

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Old February 25th, 2004, 10:11 PM
Patricia Heil
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Diarmid is in the habit of posting things that are way too old
for any intelligent person not to know them. I don't know why
he does this. Maybe he thinks we are all stupid.

Lyle McDonald wrote:

Diarmid Logan wrote:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-cos022504.php

Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not
enough for the desired effect


This comes to you from the Dept. of No **** we Knew this 10 years ago
Sherlock. The only confusion comes in that carbs don't appear to affect
protein SYNTHESIS (an increase in insulin prmiarily affecting protein
breakdown, decreasing it). HIgh AA concentrations stimulate protein
synthesis. Cobmining the two (high insulin + high AA) gives better
results, something that's been known for years.

But thanks for being on the cutting edge of about 1995 or so.

Lyle

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Old February 25th, 2004, 10:26 PM
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Default Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:10:25 -0500, Patricia Heil
wrote:


Carbs aren't supposed to help build muscles.
They're supposed to maintain brain function if you get at
least 120 grams a day (American College for Preventive Medicine)
and to light the match so to speak so you can burn fat.


Darn! Here I thought my brain was working great on much less than 120
grams a day of carbs. And. I've lost about 50 pounds eating very few
carbs. Apparently, the American College for Preventive Medicine doesn't
know anything.

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Old February 25th, 2004, 10:54 PM
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Thanks for the fine info, Lee.
Had I realized I was including the viagra users' group in my comment, I
would have made appropriate allowance for the general level of intellectual
discourse attained over there!
Sorry, ;-(
MikeV


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Old February 25th, 2004, 11:26 PM
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At first glance, I would have taken the "February 2004 edition of the
Journal of Applied Physiology" as moderately current. Just shows how much I
know. Getting dated myself, I suppose.
MikeV

"Patricia Heil" wrote in message
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Diarmid is in the habit of posting things that are way too old
for any intelligent person not to know them. I don't know why
he does this. Maybe he thinks we are all stupid.

Lyle McDonald wrote:

Diarmid Logan wrote:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-cos022504.php

Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not
enough for the desired effect


This comes to you from the Dept. of No **** we Knew this 10 years ago
Sherlock. The only confusion comes in that carbs don't appear to affect
protein SYNTHESIS (an increase in insulin prmiarily affecting protein
breakdown, decreasing it). HIgh AA concentrations stimulate protein
synthesis. Cobmining the two (high insulin + high AA) gives better
results, something that's been known for years.

But thanks for being on the cutting edge of about 1995 or so.

Lyle



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Old February 26th, 2004, 12:00 AM
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Default Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, but not enough for the desired effect


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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
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"Mike V" whined

A nasty SOB are you not? I am delighted not to be one of your friends.
MikeV


This may help you understand this newsgroup.

http://home.comcast.net/~mfw/

Pay particular attention to # 19, # 23, # 24 and the closing remarks.



Thanks for the fine info, Lee.
Had I realized I was including the viagra users' group in my comment, I
would have made appropriate allowance for the general level of

intellectual
discourse attained over there!
Sorry, ;-(
MikeV

there are some pretty good people in this group - this guy just happens to
be a prick


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Old February 26th, 2004, 12:36 AM
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Default Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, butnot enough for the desired effect

Mike V wrote:

At first glance, I would have taken the "February 2004
edition of the Journal of Applied Physiology" as moderately
current. Just shows how much I know. Getting dated myself, I
suppose. MikeV


Just because the journal has a current date doesn't mean that
its contents are anything new.

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-Wayne
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Old February 26th, 2004, 12:44 AM
Lyle McDonald
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Default Carbohydrates offer some help in muscle protein synthesis, butnotenough for the desired effect

Wayne S. Hill wrote:

Mike V wrote:


At first glance, I would have taken the "February 2004
edition of the Journal of Applied Physiology" as moderately
current. Just shows how much I know. Getting dated myself, I
suppose. MikeV



Just because the journal has a current date doesn't mean that
its contents are anything new.


I was optimistic in saying 1995. Try 1987.

Lyle

***
J Clin Invest. 1987 Apr;79(4):1062-9.

Differential effects of hyperinsulinemia and hyperaminoacidemia on
leucine-carbon metabolism in vivo. Evidence for distinct mechanisms in
regulation of net amino acid deposition.

Tessari P, Inchiostro S, Biolo G, Trevisan R, Fantin G, Marescotti MC,
Iori E,
Tiengo A, Crepaldi G.

The effects of physiologic hyperinsulinemia and hyperaminoacidemia,
alone or in
combination, on leucine kinetics in vivo were studied in postabsorptive
healthy
subjects with primed-constant infusions of L-[4,5-3H]leucine and
[1-14C]alpha-ketoisocaproate (KIC) under euglycemic conditions.
Hyperinsulinemia
(approximately 100 microU/ml) decreased (P less than 0.05 vs. baseline)
steady
state Leucine + KIC rates of appearance (Ra) from proteolysis, KIC
(approximately leucine-carbon) oxidation, and nonoxidized leucine-carbon
flux
(leucine----protein). Hyperaminoacidemia (plasma leucine, 210
mumol/liter), with
either basal hormone replacement or combined to hyperinsulinemia,
resulted in
comparable increases in leucine + KIC Ra, KIC oxidation, and
leucine----protein
(P less than 0.05 vs. baseline). However, endogenous leucine + KIC Ra was
suppressed only with the combined infusion. Therefore, on the basis of
leucine
kinetic data, hyperinsulinemia and hyperaminoacidemia stimulated net protein
anabolism in vivo by different mechanisms. Hyperinsulinemia decreased
proteolysis but did not stimulate leucine----protein. Hyperaminoacidemia
per se
stimulated leucine----protein but did not suppress endogenous
proteolysis. When
combined, they had a cumulative effect on net leucine deposition into body
protein.

PMID: 3549777 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Old February 26th, 2004, 01:43 AM
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"David" wrote in message
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"Mike V" wrote in message
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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
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"Mike V" whined

A nasty SOB are you not? I am delighted not to be one of your

friends.
MikeV


This may help you understand this newsgroup.

http://home.comcast.net/~mfw/

Pay particular attention to # 19, # 23, # 24 and the closing remarks.




Thanks for the fine info, Lee.
Had I realized I was including the viagra users' group in my comment, I
would have made appropriate allowance for the general level of

intellectual
discourse attained over there!
Sorry, ;-(
MikeV

there are some pretty good people in this group - this guy just happens to
be a prick


I'm relieved, Dave.
Apologies to all said 'good people', sidenafil citrate users, and all
disadvantaged folks wherever they may be surfing.
Sincerely,
Mike


 




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