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Old September 11th, 2004, 05:39 PM
Jopie
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Hello group, we started atkins earlier this summer, my spouse had no
problems with it, but started his whole wheat toast with his soft boiled
eggs in the morning after about four weeks, whereas i went back to the
yoghurt and muesli breakfast 9no refined anything, no sugars). Otherwise my
diet with Atkins introduced a lot of protein (from meats and eggs) and more
fat from dairy, and took away my may fresh fruit intakes a day.

This is what I experienced:
1) leg cramps that started with the cramps I knew from childbearing years,
but became rapidly worse, so that the least amount of tension on the muscles
would produce cramps. I learned to lay perfectly still in bed and not move
my legs, and even then, just the move of a toe could induce cramps. The
cramps then became different, less like muscle spams, and more like a wired
sensation located in the bones; eventually my legs felt almost constantly
weird, tensed, wired, heavy -when sitting down... that's when I was aware of
it- . I wondered what was going on to my veins, my bones as well as the
muscles.
2) enormous fatique that would not go away
3) hairloss, like after I had had a few months after having my babies.
4) arthritis acting up big time

I read through lots of support group listings to see if this was normal and
what to do for it, and learned first of all how important it was to take
food supplements. Then to take extra potassium, extra magnesium, rogaine,
biotin, L-Cysteine , zinc,
and more......... So all this started me seriously wondering how this
Atkins diet could be healthy.

I had changed my diet from a healthy one (I did not eat empty calories, did
not drink carbonated drinks, but ate fruits, brown rice, whole wheat, very
little meat, hardly eggs, used olive oil for years, ate fresh natural
yoghurts, etc etc) to one that can NOT be good for me: lots and lots of
proteins (all animal), dairy fats and hardly any fruits or good grains.
Granted I was 36 pounds over weight and have lost 15 of those. I exercise
not a lot and I ate obviously more than I burned.
So that is where I have come back to:
Atkins -or any other restrictive diet- is NOT healthy for me (nor for anyone
else if you have all these problems and have to supplement so unnaturally
much) and the key for me is less, but healthy intake, and a bit more
exercice.

So in the end I really have answered the question i was going to ask: How
can this be healthy and what to do or not to do....

Thanks group for providing me with a forum where to glean so much valid
information and in the end find my answer to my "prayer"

Enjoy your weekend, I started mine this morning with a grapefruit and 1/2
hour later a nice slice of homemade wholewheat toast, dry, delicious!

Jopie


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Old September 11th, 2004, 06:03 PM
FOB
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Didn't see you mention vegetables, Atkins includes lots of vegetables. A
good vitamin supplement is a good idea with any way of eating as, unless you
carefully control what you eat in order to get all the right vitamins and
minerals, you can't be sure you are getting everything you need. A vitamin
supplement just gives you insurance. Some of the things you gave up--olive
oil and yogurt--are fine on Atkins, there is no need to give them up.


In ,
Jopie stated
| Hello group, we started atkins earlier this summer, my spouse had no
| problems with it, but started his whole wheat toast with his soft
| boiled eggs in the morning after about four weeks, whereas i went
| back to the yoghurt and muesli breakfast 9no refined anything, no
| sugars). Otherwise my diet with Atkins introduced a lot of protein
| (from meats and eggs) and more fat from dairy, and took away my may
| fresh fruit intakes a day.
|
| This is what I experienced:
| 1) leg cramps that started with the cramps I knew from childbearing
| years, but became rapidly worse, so that the least amount of tension
| on the muscles would produce cramps. I learned to lay perfectly still
| in bed and not move my legs, and even then, just the move of a toe
| could induce cramps. The cramps then became different, less like
| muscle spams, and more like a wired sensation located in the bones;
| eventually my legs felt almost constantly weird, tensed, wired, heavy
| -when sitting down... that's when I was aware of it- . I wondered
| what was going on to my veins, my bones as well as the muscles.
| 2) enormous fatique that would not go away
| 3) hairloss, like after I had had a few months after having my babies.
| 4) arthritis acting up big time
|
| I read through lots of support group listings to see if this was
| normal and what to do for it, and learned first of all how important
| it was to take food supplements. Then to take extra potassium, extra
| magnesium, rogaine, biotin, L-Cysteine , zinc,
| and more......... So all this started me seriously wondering how this
| Atkins diet could be healthy.
|
| I had changed my diet from a healthy one (I did not eat empty
| calories, did not drink carbonated drinks, but ate fruits, brown
| rice, whole wheat, very little meat, hardly eggs, used olive oil for
| years, ate fresh natural yoghurts, etc etc) to one that can NOT be
| good for me: lots and lots of proteins (all animal), dairy fats and
| hardly any fruits or good grains. Granted I was 36 pounds over weight
| and have lost 15 of those. I exercise not a lot and I ate obviously
| more than I burned.
| So that is where I have come back to:
| Atkins -or any other restrictive diet- is NOT healthy for me (nor for
| anyone else if you have all these problems and have to supplement so
| unnaturally much) and the key for me is less, but healthy intake, and
| a bit more exercice.
|
| So in the end I really have answered the question i was going to ask:
| How can this be healthy and what to do or not to do....
|
| Thanks group for providing me with a forum where to glean so much
| valid information and in the end find my answer to my "prayer"
|
| Enjoy your weekend, I started mine this morning with a grapefruit and
| 1/2 hour later a nice slice of homemade wholewheat toast, dry,
| delicious!
|
| Jopie


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Old September 11th, 2004, 06:29 PM
Petra Hildebrandt
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In ,
Jopie stated
Hello group, we started atkins earlier this summer, my spouse had no
problems with it, but started his whole wheat toast with his soft
boiled eggs in the morning after about four weeks, whereas i went
back to the yoghurt and muesli breakfast 9no refined anything, no
sugars). Otherwise my diet with Atkins introduced a lot of protein
(from meats and eggs) and more fat from dairy, and took away my may
fresh fruit intakes a day.


snip

So in the end I really have answered the question i was going to ask:
How can this be healthy and what to do or not to do....


Why did you start Atkins in the first place, when your lifestyle before was
so healthy? You wrote you wanted to lose about 36 lb, so that's the obvious
reason, but to me it looks like you don't like the idea of Atkins at all,
so why try something you do not believe in?

I really wonder... dieting or adapting ones way of eating is something that
should work for YOU. If you feel fine with fruit, low-fat, grains - just do
it. My mileage varies...

I don't eat grains - not even a few, I don't have cramps, I feel a lot
better without grains. I go easy on fruit (have an occasional nibble of
mango or a few berries every now and then), I eat lots of veggies & salad
and some meat, fish and eggs. What's not healthy about that? I don't take
supplements, my hair & nails are growing better than ever; my skin isn't
dry any more and I drink a refreshing amount of fresh water and green tea;
and yes I do have coffee and a glass of wine sometimes.

You state that you have added 'more fat from dairy'. As far as I know the
book suggests to go easy on dairy products... and to eat good fats such as
olive oil.

Atkins -or any other restrictive diet- is NOT healthy for me (nor for
anyone else if you have all these problems and have to supplement so
unnaturally much) and the key for me is less, but healthy intake, and
a bit more exercice.


See, just what I said. Find what works for you. To me the only restrictive
point in a LC diet is going easy on sugar & carbs, which is a good thing
for me - "healthy fruit" makes my blood sugar go bonkers.

And if you check into this newsgroup, there are lots of variations to LC
eating - one of these is the South Beach Diet which would probably be more
what you are looking for. Find a way of eating for life that suits you. And
keep in mind that Aktins does suit a lot of people in this group whose
experience is different from yours, to some it has made a huge difference
in their life, health-wise.

Petra in Hamburg, Germany
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Old September 11th, 2004, 06:29 PM
Petra Hildebrandt
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In ,
Jopie stated
Hello group, we started atkins earlier this summer, my spouse had no
problems with it, but started his whole wheat toast with his soft
boiled eggs in the morning after about four weeks, whereas i went
back to the yoghurt and muesli breakfast 9no refined anything, no
sugars). Otherwise my diet with Atkins introduced a lot of protein
(from meats and eggs) and more fat from dairy, and took away my may
fresh fruit intakes a day.


snip

So in the end I really have answered the question i was going to ask:
How can this be healthy and what to do or not to do....


Why did you start Atkins in the first place, when your lifestyle before was
so healthy? You wrote you wanted to lose about 36 lb, so that's the obvious
reason, but to me it looks like you don't like the idea of Atkins at all,
so why try something you do not believe in?

I really wonder... dieting or adapting ones way of eating is something that
should work for YOU. If you feel fine with fruit, low-fat, grains - just do
it. My mileage varies...

I don't eat grains - not even a few, I don't have cramps, I feel a lot
better without grains. I go easy on fruit (have an occasional nibble of
mango or a few berries every now and then), I eat lots of veggies & salad
and some meat, fish and eggs. What's not healthy about that? I don't take
supplements, my hair & nails are growing better than ever; my skin isn't
dry any more and I drink a refreshing amount of fresh water and green tea;
and yes I do have coffee and a glass of wine sometimes.

You state that you have added 'more fat from dairy'. As far as I know the
book suggests to go easy on dairy products... and to eat good fats such as
olive oil.

Atkins -or any other restrictive diet- is NOT healthy for me (nor for
anyone else if you have all these problems and have to supplement so
unnaturally much) and the key for me is less, but healthy intake, and
a bit more exercice.


See, just what I said. Find what works for you. To me the only restrictive
point in a LC diet is going easy on sugar & carbs, which is a good thing
for me - "healthy fruit" makes my blood sugar go bonkers.

And if you check into this newsgroup, there are lots of variations to LC
eating - one of these is the South Beach Diet which would probably be more
what you are looking for. Find a way of eating for life that suits you. And
keep in mind that Aktins does suit a lot of people in this group whose
experience is different from yours, to some it has made a huge difference
in their life, health-wise.

Petra in Hamburg, Germany
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Old September 11th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Priscilla Ballou
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In article ,
"Jopie" wrote:

Hello group, we started atkins earlier this summer, my spouse had no
problems with it, but started his whole wheat toast with his soft boiled
eggs in the morning after about four weeks, whereas i went back to the
yoghurt and muesli breakfast 9no refined anything, no sugars). Otherwise my
diet with Atkins introduced a lot of protein (from meats and eggs) and more
fat from dairy, and took away my may fresh fruit intakes a day.


Where are the vegetables?

Priscilla
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Old September 11th, 2004, 07:43 PM
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In article ,
"Jopie" wrote:

Hello group, we started atkins earlier this summer, my spouse had no
problems with it, but started his whole wheat toast with his soft boiled
eggs in the morning after about four weeks, whereas i went back to the
yoghurt and muesli breakfast 9no refined anything, no sugars). Otherwise my
diet with Atkins introduced a lot of protein (from meats and eggs) and more
fat from dairy, and took away my may fresh fruit intakes a day.


Where are the vegetables?

Priscilla
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Old September 11th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Priscilla Ballou
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In article ,
"Jopie" wrote:

Hello group, we started atkins earlier this summer, my spouse had no
problems with it, but started his whole wheat toast with his soft boiled
eggs in the morning after about four weeks, whereas i went back to the
yoghurt and muesli breakfast 9no refined anything, no sugars). Otherwise my
diet with Atkins introduced a lot of protein (from meats and eggs) and more
fat from dairy, and took away my may fresh fruit intakes a day.


Where are the vegetables?

Priscilla
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Old September 11th, 2004, 07:55 PM
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Jopie wrote:

| Enjoy your weekend, I started mine this morning with a grapefruit and
| 1/2 hour later a nice slice of homemade wholewheat toast, dry,
| delicious!
|
| Jopie

Thanks; I'm enjoying mine! I started my morning with a nice 3-egg ham and
cheese omelet with fresh strawberries and cream on the side, a tall glass of
Hood's Carb Countdown chocolate milk, and a mug of decaf coffee brewed with
cinnamon. (I can't imagine going back to the bland grapefruit/toast low-fat
thing)! I've lost 56 pounds since 12/15/03 and am in the best health I've
experienced in years -- completely documented by before-and-after medical
tests for CV function, kidney/liver function, blood lipids and blood glucose
levels. And I'm not hungry all that time as are many low-fat dieters.

What you perceive as "healthy" isn't necessarily true for anyone with
insulin abnormalities; exactly the opposite in fact. If I ate a grapefruit
and a slice of toast my blood glucose would spike and an hour later I'd be
so sleepy I wouldn't be able to function. More beta cells killed off. On my
(now lifelong) Atkins plan I don't have to worry about the highs and lows;
my body provides a steady source of energy.

If you choose the low-fat diet over a low-carb way of eating, that's fine
and I'm not going to knock it -- it's an "either-or" thing. The fat without
the carbs and visa-versa is ok; it's the combination of fats and carbs that
are deadly. The big difference IMO is that because if the rapid metabolism
of carbohydrates, people on the low-fat diets get hungry more often because
of those insulin spikes and dips that are a part of eating high-carb foods.

Good luck to you.

Peter
270/214/184
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html


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Old September 11th, 2004, 07:55 PM
marengo
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Jopie wrote:

| Enjoy your weekend, I started mine this morning with a grapefruit and
| 1/2 hour later a nice slice of homemade wholewheat toast, dry,
| delicious!
|
| Jopie

Thanks; I'm enjoying mine! I started my morning with a nice 3-egg ham and
cheese omelet with fresh strawberries and cream on the side, a tall glass of
Hood's Carb Countdown chocolate milk, and a mug of decaf coffee brewed with
cinnamon. (I can't imagine going back to the bland grapefruit/toast low-fat
thing)! I've lost 56 pounds since 12/15/03 and am in the best health I've
experienced in years -- completely documented by before-and-after medical
tests for CV function, kidney/liver function, blood lipids and blood glucose
levels. And I'm not hungry all that time as are many low-fat dieters.

What you perceive as "healthy" isn't necessarily true for anyone with
insulin abnormalities; exactly the opposite in fact. If I ate a grapefruit
and a slice of toast my blood glucose would spike and an hour later I'd be
so sleepy I wouldn't be able to function. More beta cells killed off. On my
(now lifelong) Atkins plan I don't have to worry about the highs and lows;
my body provides a steady source of energy.

If you choose the low-fat diet over a low-carb way of eating, that's fine
and I'm not going to knock it -- it's an "either-or" thing. The fat without
the carbs and visa-versa is ok; it's the combination of fats and carbs that
are deadly. The big difference IMO is that because if the rapid metabolism
of carbohydrates, people on the low-fat diets get hungry more often because
of those insulin spikes and dips that are a part of eating high-carb foods.

Good luck to you.

Peter
270/214/184
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html


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Old September 11th, 2004, 09:45 PM
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Jopie wrote:
Hello group, we started atkins earlier this summer, my spouse had no
problems with it, but started his whole wheat toast with his soft boiled
eggs in the morning after about four weeks, whereas i went back to the
yoghurt and muesli breakfast 9no refined anything, no sugars). Otherwise my
diet with Atkins introduced a lot of protein (from meats and eggs) and more
fat from dairy, and took away my may fresh fruit intakes a day.

This is what I experienced:


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