Another Queston: Children (Toddlers) and Low-Carb

Hi Jamie,
I completely agree with you about some individuals having "carb phobias".
You are right about "small amounts" of complex carbs being proper for young
children. May I add to that, normal children. My first advice, as I said
before, would always be to see the pediatrician before placing a child, on a
special diet. I am very aware that there is an epidemic of obesity in
children but they are not the kids that eat normal amounts of fresh and
wholesome foods. My opinion is moderation in all things and we do avoid fast
food in my family but then, I love to cook and have access to everything we
enjoy, steak, salads, fresh fruit, etc.

FTR, my daughters are both slim, one is tall, one is petite. Both enjoy a
lower than average carb diet but it is by choice through education and our
home living. For example, my 3 year old ordered Greek soup for lunch today
and when her grandma (also a thin person) offered her French fries that were
perched next to her sandwich, she ignored them and nearly finished her bowl
of soup! BTW, nobody in my family has ever had a weight problem. Mine only
began when I developed diabetes and was placed on a high carb, low fat diet.
Low carbing helps me keep my sugar in the normal range

Nancy J

"jamie" wrote in message
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bobo_Bonobo=AE?= wrote:
That's the kind of crap that makes kids fat, and I'm not talking about
the occasional treats, but your flagpole salad, bread, pasta, etc.
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What NG do you think this is?
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I don't believe you are a troll. Instead you just seem clueless.
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Obviously she has the genes for ending up fat. You feed her all of
that carby garbage, she develops fat cells. She ends up fat like dear
old mom.

"Obviously" you've developed carb phobia, and don't have the slightest
idea what you're talking about. Young children don't get fat on a
little fruit, carrots and tomato in their salads, and some bread and
pasta in the diet. They have not developed the insulin resistance that
most of us have, after years of problems with blood sugar metabolism.
They don't need to be on a diet remotely near induction level.

--
jamie )

"There's a seeker born every minute."

"Jane Lumley" said I do apologise, because I think I may have
over-estimated your
willingness to give sugary foods - I am sorry if I did. That said, we
do actually disagree about how to manage the issue. Yes, of course the
children will taste junk food, and I have never told them it TASTED bad,
or that they must never eat it, only that it is bad FOR them to eat it
often.

And we also admit to being raving foodies who honestly think most
commercial chocolate (eg 'bars')is 'bad' in the sense of low-quality,
and mad organicists who think a lot of food is 'bad' in the moral sense,
and slow-food advocates who think McDonald's 'bad' for the soul. Like
all the other views we have an express, we can't impose these on our
children entirely, but I'll be honest and say that I'd like to. I would
hate to see my children eat at McDonald's just as I would hate to see
them do other things I disapprove of. They are practically bound to do
such things - they have free will - but they will do them and know that
I'm not jazzed about it.

FTR, Jane, I never advocated giving children sugary foods. I did and still
advocate taking the lollys away and if a child needs something sweet, giving
said child fruit! My Flagpole salad is not candy and it was a tool for those
children accustomed to the glitz of shiny wrapped candy to an attractively
laid out fruit salad. This is a once in a while item, as should anything be,
just to interest a child in good eating. I consider candy empty calories. My
trim daughter can well afford them in her diet but she gets 1/4 sliced apple
and cheese cubes for snacks. At the bank she gets a lolly once every two
weeks, she enjoys it but never asks for more. She does however, enjoy it
when she receives one. My post was to encourage children with fun and I
stand by that.

Please understand Jane, I never said that you or anyone else told children
that carby foods with empty calories (fudge, candy, chips) taste bad. It
must have been lost in the translation but here I go again. I said that I
would personally not tell my children that certain foods taste bad. They are
bound to try them at some point in life and when they do, the matter of
trust, if I have been dishonest with them, comes into play. IMO when parents
are honest with children, children trust and believe them. I've always
believed in the old adage that "children learn what they live". The child
initially mentioned in this thread was given lollypops for meals. I was
correct in offering ideas that both child and parent might enjoy.

Nancy

Huffines writes
FTR, I do not keep my children away from bad goodies but I do limit them
and
they are treats, not usual fare. I strongly believe that "forbidden food"
tastes best merely because it's forbidden. You cannot control your
children's eating habits for a lifetime, they grow up and go on their own
way. All parents can do is shape them as children and teach them what
they
know while they are still in their home. YOU may not buy any junk food
but
your children will taste it at some point. What they decide to do with
the
new food information does have a lot to do with training....however, if I
tell my child that chocolate fudge is "bad" and they have a piece while
visiting a friend, do you think that the child ever will trust me to tell
the truth again?


--
Jane Lumley

"Nancy Huffines" wrote in message om...

My Flagpole salad is not candy

No, it merely has the glycemic index of candy.

and it was a tool for those children accustomed to the glitz of shiny wrapped candy to an attractively laid out fruit salad. This is a once in a while
item, as should anything be, just to interest a child in good eating.

High GI carbs are not "good eating." Maraschino cherries--oops, I
forgot, those are just a "condiment."

Nancy

--Bryan 198/154/155

Fruits, even high glycemic fruits, are preferable to lollipops in a child's
diet! The reason...there is the matter of fiber and vitamins from fruit
(especially fresh), something candy doesn't have but fruit does. The normal
growing child needs not only the calories to burn but the vitamins and the
fiber from fruit.

FTR, taking a few words out of context from another's post and changing the
meaning is quite disingenuous.

Nancy J

"Bobo Bonobo®" wrote in message
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"Nancy Huffines" wrote in message
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My Flagpole salad is not candy

No, it merely has the glycemic index of candy.

and it was a tool for those children accustomed to the glitz of shiny
wrapped candy to an attractively laid out fruit salad. This is a once in a
while
item, as should anything be, just to interest a child in good eating.

High GI carbs are not "good eating." Maraschino cherries--oops, I
forgot, those are just a "condiment."

Nancy

--Bryan 198/154/155

"Nancy Huffines" wrote in message ...
Fruits, even high glycemic fruits, are preferable to lollipops in a child's
diet!

True, but I could say that giving a child a few ounces of beer is a
lot better than a few ounces of bourbon whiskey.

The reason...there is the matter of fiber and vitamins from fruit
(especially fresh), something candy doesn't have but fruit does. The normal
growing child needs not only the calories to burn but the vitamins and the
fiber from fruit.

That's assuming that they will "burn" those calories, as opposed to
storing them as fat. High GI carbs tend to encourage overeating.
Pineapple: for every 13.45 g carbs has 7.5 mg vitamin C. Banana:
11.42 g carb/4.35 mg vit C. Maraschino cherries are devoid of
anything good.


FTR, taking a few words out of context from another's post and changing the
meaning is quite disingenuous.

I think that anyone who cares to look further up the thread will
easily be able to do so. My edit was for brevity. I guess it would
boost your credibility had I included your other recommended items
such as "catsup, applesauce" and "colorful sprinkles."

Nancy J

"Bobo Bonobo®" wrote in message
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"Nancy Huffines" wrote in message
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My Flagpole salad is not candy

No, it merely has the glycemic index of candy.

and it was a tool for those children accustomed to the glitz of shiny
wrapped candy to an attractively laid out fruit salad. This is a once in a
while item, as should anything be, just to interest a child in good
eating.

High GI carbs are not "good eating." Maraschino cherries--oops, I
forgot, those are just a "condiment."

Nancy

--Bryan 198/154/155


--Bryan 198/153/155

Bobo Bonobo® wrote ...

Ketchup. Yeah, that's a smart thing to give a kid. Sheesh

It is almost like syrup.

Ketchup / tomato sauce is overused and abused far too much in this part of
the world.

Known as "tucker f*cker" around here ('tucker' being kiwi/aussie slang for
food).


)


Rachel
(New Zealand)

Bobo Bonobo® wrote ...
Jane Lumley wrote ...

We are so prone to think that
they'll fall down dead without any this or that.

Advertising makes them that way )

Sweets and cookies are easy, cheap bribes for kids.

with mushrooms and grilled tomato for breakfast. If they say they want
something sugary in eg a shop, the answer is always no, so they hardly
ever ask.

Ooh that's one thing that *really* drives me crazy in supermarkets - the kid
having a full-scale temper tantrum at the checkout because he/she wants some
of the candy that's enticingly put there, and been denied.

Instead of glowering at the poor, long-suffering parent for allowing their
child to be so uncontrolled I wish more people would congratulate them for
being strong and refusing their kids' demands for junk food!

I think I'll stick to raising dogs. I haven't had a temper tantrum from one
yet and they almost never whine. No need for expensive toys or clothes junk
food, give 'em a tennis ball and they're as happy as a pig in sh*t.

)

Rachel
(New Zealand)
[thinking of keeping my next pup LC]