Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie

On Feb 5, 8:59 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"SFrunner" wrote in message

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On Feb 4, 7:46 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in
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teachrmama wrote:

Gosh, I am so glad nobody gave up on me because of all the times I
tried
to
do things my way. Or on certain family members who went to 12 step
meetings for "support" but really didn't follow the program. All of
us
seem
to have stumbled and bumbled our way to truths that we were blind
to--sometimes by choice--in the past. If I were to be judged only by
my
past choices, I would never be free to be the person I am becoming
today.
2002 was 5 years ago--I'm talking to him today.

You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He
*deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay
attention to what people are telling you.

You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you say
that?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How dense are you???

Wait, don't answer that, I think we know the answer.

Fine--prove to me that he deliberately regains the weight. Show me where he
has posted that he loses weight just in order to gain it again.

Isn't it nice that you have never had a vice in your life that you returned
to again and again because you had just not accepted the way out that was
shown you time after time. So nobody ever had to hang in there and not give
up on you, did they?



SFRunner --

I think I'm pretty careful with what I write -- careful to be honest
-- and so I am sure I never wrote anything to that effect.

There are a variety of experts on a professional football teams --
defensive coaches, offensive coaches, quarterback coaches, etc. I
think I've gotten one aspect of the game down pretty well -- losing
weight in a straightforward, unemotional fashion. It's worked before
and it will work again. Some aspects of the game I haven't been quite
as skilled at.

This is also true for a lot of other people, I think -- probably
almost everyone else. But as long as these others continue to play the
game and try to improve their health, they will be much further ahead
than if they instead give up in hopelessness and lowered self-
esteem.

Yours,

Caleb

teachrmama wrote:

Fine--prove to me that he deliberately regains the weight. Show me where he
has posted that he loses weight just in order to gain it again.

You are incredibly ignorant.

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
...
teachrmama wrote:

Fine--prove to me that he deliberately regains the weight. Show me where
he
has posted that he loses weight just in order to gain it again.

You are incredibly ignorant.

In what way? The fact that you do not like the fact that Caleb has tried
his weight management approach for several years and has not mastered the
maintenance phase does not mean that he is an untouchable. Nor does my
discussing the issue with him make me incredibly ignorant. YOU,
unfortunately, are biased by your feelings about what he has done in the
past. Which is very sad, because you also have a lot of good things to
share.

On Feb 6, 1:37 am, Art Deco wrote:
Don Kirkman wrote:
It seems to me I heard somewhere that GaryG wrote in article
:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
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convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:

The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common
characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost significant
amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or longer.
According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be highly
active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825 kcal/wk)
through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per day
in
physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort.

The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help with
the
"overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to getting
fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what one
ingests (at least, it does for many of us)..

Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese
typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often
is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is
clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating
less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more
comfortably and with less injury.

Indeed, that has been my own
personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not
because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose
tissue (VAT),

That's especially good because in 2004, at the age of 39, Dr. Chung ran
a half-marathon (13.1 miles) in 3 hours 27 minutes; he improved to 2:49
in 2005 and I found no record for him in the same race in 2006 (for
comparison, I'm a typical mid-pack runner, but in 1989 at the age of 60
I ran a 1:45 half-marathon and a 1:50 the year before that).
http://www.silvercomet10k.com/

Hey, that's pretty cool...I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that
"training strategy". So, you're saying that you're capable of running an
ultramarathon, due only to your lowered body fat levels? Have you ever
actually completed an ultramarathon to confirm your assertion? If so,
please provide us with a link to the results web page g.

To have run an ultra (whether 50 miles or 100, typical distances for
ultras), he would have to have been absent from the newsgroups for
twenty-four hours or more. Did that ever happen?

A Google search for Andrew Chung in ultramarathon results came up empty.
Since ultra running is such a small, tight-knit community I think the
sudden appearance of an unknown would have been remarked on by somebody
along the way.

Considering the nonsense I've seen him spew to usenet about hunger and
athletes, I have a very difficult time believing that he has ever done
anything as strenuous as a marathon.


I have difficulty believing he's ever done anything as strenuous as
thinking.

teachrmama wrote:

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote:
teachrmama wrote:

Fine--prove to me that he deliberately regains the weight. Show me
where he has posted that he loses weight just in order to gain it
again.

You are incredibly ignorant.

In what way?

In the way that you refuse to understand what multiple people are
telling you.

On Feb 6, 6:18 am, (The Queen of Cans and Jars)
wrote:
teachrmama wrote:
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote:
teachrmama wrote:

Fine--prove to me that he deliberately regains the weight. Show me
where he has posted that he loses weight just in order to gain it
again.

You are incredibly ignorant.

In what way?

In the way that you refuse to understand what multiple people are
telling you.


There seems to be a plethora of that in here lately.

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
. ..
teachrmama wrote:

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote:
teachrmama wrote:

Fine--prove to me that he deliberately regains the weight. Show me
where he has posted that he loses weight just in order to gain it
again.

You are incredibly ignorant.

In what way?

In the way that you refuse to understand what multiple people are
telling you.

What, specifically, are you telling me? "I don't like him, so don't talk to
him" ? He is not pushing any particular wild-eyed aganda on me. He
actually agrees that he needs to have a better maintenance plan. So what is
the problem--except that you don't like him!!

"SFrunner" wrote in message
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On Feb 6, 6:18 am, (The Queen of Cans and Jars)
wrote:
teachrmama wrote:
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote:
teachrmama wrote:

Fine--prove to me that he deliberately regains the weight. Show me
where he has posted that he loses weight just in order to gain it
again.

You are incredibly ignorant.

In what way?

In the way that you refuse to understand what multiple people are
telling you.


There seems to be a plethora of that in here lately.

So you agree that if Queen doesn't like someone, YOU should not bother to
talk to them?

On Feb 6, 6:58 am, "teachrmama" wrote:
"SFrunner" wrote in message

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On Feb 6, 6:18 am, (The Queen of Cans and Jars)
wrote:
teachrmama wrote:
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote:
teachrmama wrote:

Fine--prove to me that he deliberately regains the weight. Show me
where he has posted that he loses weight just in order to gain it
again.

You are incredibly ignorant.

In what way?

In the way that you refuse to understand what multiple people are
telling you.

There seems to be a plethora of that in here lately.

So you agree that if Queen doesn't like someone, YOU should not bother to
talk to them?



Nooo.....whatever would give you that conclusion?

Sometimes, a post is not about you.

teachrmama wrote:

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote:
teachrmama wrote:
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote:
teachrmama wrote:

Fine--prove to me that he deliberately regains the weight. Show me
where he has posted that he loses weight just in order to gain it
again.

You are incredibly ignorant.

In what way?

In the way that you refuse to understand what multiple people are
telling you.

What, specifically, are you telling me?

That I'm done. You are clearly content to be ignorant; in fact, you
seem to enjoy arguing for remaining ignorant. I have no desire to
engage you in that argument.

Have a nice day.