Diet Linked To Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma

Trim your bloody headers

Patricia Heil writes:

I wonder how vegans could claim that their diet is "naturally fitting
human beings" if people develop critical vitamin deficiencies while on

They also have a problem with explaining why, if vegan is natural,
humans can't manufacture all the amino acids they need from such
a diet. But they can't; ....

You are ill informed.

Vegans can get *all* the essential amino acids from plant sources.
Various varieties of nuts provide "complete" protein, so there need
not be any deficiency. Check for yourself at the USDA website.

FWIW, I am not a Vegan.

--
Manfred Bartz

"Manfred Bartz" wrote in message
...
Patricia Heil writes:

I wonder how vegans could claim that their diet is "naturally fitting
human beings" if people develop critical vitamin deficiencies while on

They also have a problem with explaining why, if vegan is natural,
humans can't manufacture all the amino acids they need from such
a diet. But they can't; ....

You are ill informed.

Vegans can get *all* the essential amino acids from plant sources.
Various varieties of nuts provide "complete" protein, so there need
not be any deficiency. Check for yourself at the USDA website.

FWIW, I am not a Vegan.

But, where do they get cobalamine?

j

--
Manfred Bartz

"Julianne" writes:

"Manfred Bartz" wrote:

Vegans can get *all* the essential amino acids from plant sources.
Various varieties of nuts provide "complete" protein, so there need
not be any deficiency. Check for yourself at the USDA website.

FWIW, I am not a Vegan.

But, where do they get cobalamine?

Brewers yeast would be a source.
Traditionally-produced tempeh is loaded with B12-producing bacteria.
Or supplementation.
There may be other sources....

Dogmatic vegans may have a problem -- the problem is the dogma.

--
Manfred Bartz

The Queen of Cans and Jars burbled across the ether:
pearl wrote:

"marengo" wrote:

Wow! It's a good thaing that Atkins is a vegatable-rich, moderate
protein/low carbohydrate diet, emphasizing plenty of fiber-rich
vegetables like cauliflower, broccoli and cabbage!

It is, and it does? I thought you could eat as much fat and protein
as you desired, but that vegetables and fruit were restricted?

maybe you should do some research instead of just making assumptions.

Please. This is Pearl the Vegan, who regularly crossposts to start
flame wars. It gives her life meaning to tell us how we are all going
to die horrible deaths and go to hell for our dietary transgressions.

She's not going to listen to you.


--
revek been there done that, wasted a *lot* of time.



"When I was young we didn't have MTV; we had to take drugs and go to
concerts." - Steven Pearl

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 02:00:11 GMT, "Steph" wrote:


Trim your bloody headers
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August 11, 2002:
Arson by the ELF caused $700,000 worth of damage at a Forest Service lab
in Irvine, PA, and destroyed 70 years of research focused on maintaining a
healthy forest ecosystem. An e-mail from Elf's office said "While innocent
life will never be harmed in any action we undertake, where it is necessary,
we will no longer hesitate to pick up the gun to implement justice, and
provide the needed protection for our planet that decades of legal battles,
pleading protest, and economic sabotage have failed so drastically to
achieve." It further stated that all Forest Service stations were targeted,
and, if rebuilt, the Pennsylvania station would be targeted for complete
destruction.

September 21, 2001 UK:
Ashley Broadley Glynn Harding, the mail bomber
who sent 15 letter bombs to animal-related businesses and individuals over
a three-month period last winter, was sentenced to indefinite detention in
mental hospital. Additional court ordered restrictions mean that Harding will
not be released until the Home Secretary is satisfied that he poses no risk to
the public. The bomber's mail terror campaign injured two adults and one
child, one woman lost her left eye, the child scarred for life. At trial, evidence
indicated that he had intended to mail as many as 100 letter bombs.

August 16, 2001 UK:
One of the three men who assaulted Brian Cass, managing director of
Huntingdon Life Sciences, at his home, received a sentence of three years in
jail for his part in the attack. David Blenkinsop and two others donned ski
masks and ambushed Cass as he arrived home, bludgeoning him with wooden
staves and pickaxe handles. DNA on the handles and Blenkinsop’s clothing
helped convict him of the offense.

June 12, 2001 MO:
A 30-year-old animal rights activist attacked a
"Survivor" series cast member at a workplace safety promotion, pepper
spraying him in the face and hitting several onlookers, including children, as
well. Police arrested the attacker. Michael Skupin, who lasted six weeks on
"Survivor," attributed the attack to his killing of a pig for food on the series.

May 31, 2001 Canada:
In a raid late this month, Toronto police arrested
two men and put out an appeal for apprehension of a third in connection
with animal cruelty charges stemming from the videotaped skinning of live
animals. The video showed a cat being tortured and killed allegedly by a
self-styled artist and vegan protesting animal cruelty. Anthony Ryan
Wenneker, 24, and Jessie Champlain Powers, 21 were arrested. The raid
turned up a headless, skinned cat in the refrigerator, along with other
animal skeletons, including a dog, some mice and rats, and the videos.
Police are searching for the third person seen in the videos.

May 23, 2001 UK:
Three men, ages 34, 31 and 34, were arrested for the
attack on Brian Cass, Director of Huntingdon Life Sciences. The baseball bat
brandishing attackers split Cass' scalp and bruised him and sprayed a
would-be rescuer with CS gas on February 22, 2001. One of the men was
arrested at an animal sanctuary run by TV script writer Carla Lane.

May 9, 2001 Israel:
Shraga Segal, an immunologist and former dean of the
Ben-Gurion University medical school, resigned his post as chairman of the
government body that supervises research involving animals. Segal received
a faxed death threat and threats of violence against his family.

April 27, 2001 WA:
Governor Gary Locke signed into law this week a
measure that would make it a misdemeanor to knowingly interfere with or
recklessly injure a guide dog, or to allow one's dog to obstruct or intimidate
a guide dog. Repeat offenses could net up to one year in jail and a $5,000
fine. The measure sailed through the legislature in record time after reports
of blind people being harassed by animal rights fanatics, both verbally and
by looking for opportunities to separate the guide dogs from their owners.

April 19, 2001 UK:
In the US District Court for the District of New Jersey,
the US subsidiary of Huntingdon Life Sciences joined in the filing of an
amended complaint against SHAC, Voices for Animals, Animal Defense
League, In Defense of Animals, and certain individuals. The amended filing
asserts claims under the Civil Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization
Statute (RICO) and cited physical attacks on individual employees, death
threats, bomb threats, destruction of property, burglary, harassment and
intimidation; and also asserts claims for interference with contractual
relations and economic advantage. The original plaintiffs in the action were
the Stephens Group and its wholly owned investment-banking subsidiary,
Stephens, Inc.

February 23, 2001 UK:
In a major public escalation of animal rights terrorist violence, the managing
director of Huntingdon Life Sciences was attacked as he arrived home by
three masked goons wielding baseball bats or ax handles. Brian Cass, 53,
bludgeoned with head and body wounds and bruises, including a 3-inch
scalp gash, was saved from further injury by his girl friend's screams and
the aid of two passersby. One of the Good Samaritans chased the
attackers, but was debilitated by CS gas from one of the attackers. Cass,
stitched up and back at work the next day, vowed to continue the work of
HLS, which includes government mandated tests seeking cures for
dementia, diabetes, AIDS, asthma and other diseases. In reaction to the
attack, Ronnie Lee, ALF founder who is no longer with the group, condoned
the attack and expressed surprise that it didn't happen more often,
declaring that Cass got off "lightly." Other animal rights groups publicly
backed off condoning the act, but expressed "understanding" of how it
could occur. In calendar year 2000, 11 Huntingdon employees' cars were
firebombed.

February 21, 2001 UK:
Two men ages 26 and 36, and one 31 year-old woman were arrested in
connection with letter bombing attacks against at least eleven agricultural
businesses. Since December 10, 2000, three bombs were intercepted, but 5
of 10 others exploded, causing serious eye and facial injury to two adults,
and leg wounds to a 6-year old daughter of one of the intended victims.
Authorities considered all of the bombs potentially lethal. The businesses
included pet supply, pest control, farming, agricultural supply, and a
livestock auction agency.

February 13, 2001 Scotland:
A letter bomb was sent to an agricultural entity in the Borders. Army
experts were called out to defuse the bomb.

February 12, 2001 UK:
An agricultural firm in North Yorkshire received a letter bomb which was
defused without incident by army experts.

February 4, 2001 UK:
In an attack near Nantwich, Cheshire Beagles master George Murray, his
wife and five other hunt members were assaulted by masked animal rights
activists. At least five hunt members were injured by the stick- and
whip-wielding attackers. Murray was beaten, kicked in the head and face
and his wife was punched in the face. They were threatened with death as
retribution for the death 10 years ago of hunt saboteur Michael Hill.

January 31, 2001 UK:
A letter bomb exploded in Cumbria in a charity shop owned by the British
Heart Foundation. The woman who opened the package was not injured.

January 30, 2001 UK:
Two nail bombs, sent to an agricultural supplier in Sheffield and a cancer
research campaign shop in Lancashire, were detected and defused by
authorities before being opened by the recipients. Both bomb attacks were
linked to letter bomb mailings that started in mid-December.

January 5, 2001 UK:
Livestock auction estate agents in East Yorkshire are attacked by letter
bomb. One female staff member sustained serious eye injuries from the
explosion.

January 5, 2001 UK:
A farmer in North Yorkshire was injured by nails from an exploding letter
bomb.

December 30, 2000 UK:
A mail bomb sent to a pest control company in Cheshire exploded, injuring
the owner's 6-year old daughter who was helping her father with the mail.
The girl was cut on her legs and feet by shrapnel from the envelope.
Authorities suspect animal rights activists in the bombing.

October 23, 2000 UK:
Two hunt members received death threats and car bombs. Both were on a
publicized list of seven huntsmen considered to be "legitimate targets" by
the Hunt Retribution Squad." All seven had received threatening letters on
September 4, 2000. Amateur whip David Pitfield's van was destroyed by one
bomb in South Nutfield, Surrey. The bomb under a woman hunt member's
vehicle in East Sussex, discovered five hours later, did not detonate and
was removed by army bomb experts. Both bombs were considered lethal.

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there are various ways certain meats promote cancer

1. high heme (iron) content of red meat promotes colon carcinogenesis

2. nitrates in cured luncheon meats and bacon are linked to lymphomas,
leukemias and other cancers

3. carcinogens produced during cooking of meat (heterocyclic amines)

for some reason lymphomas seem to be strongly correlated with meat and
animal product consumption, the link is stronger than with other
cancers, here are some studies

2 studies show reduced risk for wine consumption, but this is probably
due to non alcohol components because other alcoholic beverages did
not reduce risk.

reveratrol and proanthocyandins (found in other fruits and vegetables)
maybe behind the reduced risk



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Intakes of fruits, vegetables, and related nutrients and the risk of
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma among women.

Zhang SM, Hunter DJ, Rosner BA, Giovannucci EL, Colditz GA, Speizer
FE, Willett WC.

Department of Nutrition, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston,
Massachusetts 02115, USA.

Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma is etiologically related to suppressed immune
status, and certain nutrients found in fruits and vegetables have been
associated with increased immune responses. However, limited
information exists on associations between intake of fruits,
vegetables, and related nutrients and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma risk. We
thus examined these associations among 88,410 women in the Nurses'
Health Study cohort who were aged 34-60 years in 1980 and provided
dietary information in 1980. During 14 years of follow-up, we
documented 199 incident cases of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. Higher intake
of fruits and vegetables was associated with a lower risk of
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (P for trend = 0.02); the multivariate relative
risk (RR) was 0.62 [95% confidence interval (CI), 0.38-1.02] for women
who consumed greater than or equal to six servings per day as compared
with those consuming less than three servings per day. When fruits and
vegetables were examined separately, intake of vegetables rather than
fruits was most clearly associated with a reduced risk (P for trend =
0.02 for vegetables; P for trend = 0.16 for fruits); compared with
those consuming less than one serving per day, the multivariate RRs
were 0.62 (95% CI, 0.35-1.07) for women who consumed greater than or
equal to three servings per day of vegetables and 0.70 (95% CI,
0.44-1.12) for women who consumed this amount of fruits. Higher intake
of cruciferous vegetables was also associated with a decreased risk (P
for trend = 0.03); the multivariate RR was 0.67 (95% CI, 0.40-1.11)
for women who consumed greater than or equal to five servings per week
as compared with those consuming less than two servings per week.
These associations were slightly attenuated when we additionally
adjusted for intake of beef, pork, or lamb as a main dish. Intake of
dietary fiber from vegetable sources was related to a reduced risk;
the multivariate RR was 0.54 (95% CI, 0.34-0.87) for women in the
highest quintile as compared with those in the lowest quintile (P for
trend = 0.01), and it was slightly attenuated with additional
adjustment for saturated and trans unsaturated fats. However, we
observed no associations between intakes of specific dietary
carotenoids, vitamins A, C, E, and folate, and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma
risk. Higher intake of vegetables, particularly cruciferous
vegetables, may reduce the risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma among women.

PMID: 10815692 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Diet and Nutrient Intakes and Risk of Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma in
Connecticut Women.

Zheng T, Holford TR, Leaderer B, Zhang Y, Zahm SH, Flynn S, Tallini G,
Zhang B, Zhou K, Owens PH, Lan Q, Rothman N, Boyle P.

Department of Epidemiology and Public Health, Yale University School
of Medicine, New Haven, CT.

A population-based case-control study (601 cases and 717 controls) was
conducted in 1995-2001 among Connecticut women to evaluate the
relation between diet and nutrient intakes and the risk of
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL). When the highest quartile of intake was
compared with the lowest, the authors found an increased risk of NHL
associated with animal protein (odds ratio = 1.7, 95% confidence
interval: 1.2, 2.4) and saturated fat (odds ratio = 1.9, 95%
confidence interval: 1.1, 2.3) but a reduced risk for polyunsaturated
fat (odds ratio = 0.6, 95% confidence interval: 0.4, 0.9) and no
relation for vegetable protein and monounsaturated fat. An increased
risk was also observed for higher intakes of retinol, eggs, and dairy
products. On the other hand, a reduced risk was found for higher
intakes of dietary fiber and for several fruit and vegetable items.
Risk of NHL associated with diet and nutrient intakes appeared to vary
based on NHL subtype. An association between dietary intake and NHL
risk is biologically plausible because diets high in protein and fat
may lead to altered immunocompetence, resulting in an increased risk
of NHL. The antioxidant or inhibiting nitrosation reaction properties
of vegetables and fruits may result in a reduced risk. Further
investigation of the role of dietary intakes on the risk of NHL is
warranted.

PMID: 14977641 [PubMed - in process]


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Diet and risk of lymphoid neoplasms and soft tissue sarcomas.

Tavani A, Pregnolato A, Negri E, Franceschi S, Serraino D, Carbone A,
La Vecchia C.

Instituto di Ricerche Farmacologiche Mario Negri, Milan, Italy.

The relationship between frequency of intake of selected indicator
foods, lymphoid neoplasms, and soft tissue sarcomas was investigated
in an updated case-control study conducted in Northern Italy between
1983 and 1992 on 158 incident, histologically confirmed cases of
Hodgkin's disease (HD), 429 cases of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL), 141
cases of multiple myelomas, 101 cases of soft tissue sarcomas, and
1,157 controls admitted to hospital for acute, nonneoplastic diseases
unrelated to long-term modifications of diet. Compared with the lowest
tertile, the odds ratio (OR) for the highest tertile of milk intake
was 1.8 for NHL and 1.9 for sarcomas. Liver intake was an indicator of
the risk of HD (OR = 1.8), NHL (OR = 1.6), and myelomas (OR = 2.0),
ham an indicator of HD (OR = 1.7), and butter an indicator of myelomas
(OR = 2.8). A high consumption of green vegetables was inversely
related to myelomas (OR = 0.4), and frequent use of whole-grain foods
was inversely related to NHL (OR = 0.4) and soft tissue sarcomas (OR =
0.2). No material association with meat was observed for any of the
neoplasms considered. Likewise, coffee and alcohol intakes were not
associated with lymphoid neoplasms and soft tissue sarcomas. The OR
for the highest tertile of intake of beta-carotene ranged between 0.5
and 0.7, whereas the OR for retinol ranged between 1.5 and 2.3.
Although available data do not point to any specific inference, this
study suggests that certain aspects of diet are a correlate or an
indicator of the risk of lymphoid neoplasms and soft tissue sarcomas.

PMID: 9101555 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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red wine consumption may reduce lymphoma risk

Alcohol use and risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma among Connecticut women
(United States).

Morton LM, Holford TR, Leaderer B, Zhang Y, Zahm SH, Boyle P, Flynn S,
Tallini G, Owens PH, Zhang B, Zheng T.

Department of Epidemiology and Public Health, Yale University School
of Medicine, New Haven, Connecticut 06520, USA.

OBJECTIVE: Incidence rates of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL) have risen
dramatically over the past several decades; however, the etiology of
NHL remains largely unknown. Previous studies of the relationship
between alcohol consumption and NHL have yielded conflicting results.
Data from a population-based case-control study among women in
Connecticut were analyzed to determine the potential impact of alcohol
consumption on risk of NHL. METHODS: The study included 601
histologically confirmed, incident cases of NHL and 718
population-based controls. In-person interviews were administered
using standardized, structured questionnaires to collect data on
history of consumption for beer, wine, and liquor. RESULTS: When
compared to non-drinkers, women who reported consumption of at least
12 drinks per year of any type of alcohol experienced slightly reduced
risk of NHL (OR: 0.82; 95% CI: 0.65-1.04). Further stratification by
alcohol type revealed that the inverse association was mainly limited
to wine consumption (OR: 0.75; 95% CI: 0.59-0.96), with no clear
association for beer or liquor consumption. Risk of NHL was further
reduced with increasing duration of wine consumption (p for linear
trend = 0.02). Consumption of wine for greater than 40 years was
associated with approximately 40% reduction in risk (OR: 0.63; 95% CI:
0.44-0.91). CONCLUSION: Our results are consistent with several recent
epidemiologic studies that have also suggested an inverse association
between wine consumption and risk of NHL. The reduction in risk of NHL
associated with increased duration of wine consumption warrants
further investigation in other populations.

PMID: 14575367 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Wine drinking and risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma among men in the
United States: a population-based case-control study.

Briggs NC, Levine RS, Bobo LD, Haliburton WP, Brann EA, Hennekens CH.

Division of Preventive Medicine, Department of Internal Medicine,
Meharry Medical College, Nashville, TN 37208, USA.

The relation between wine consumption and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL)
was investigated using data from the Selected Cancers Study. Cases (n
= 960) were men aged 32-60 years diagnosed with NHL from 1984 to 1988
and identified from eight US population-based cancer registries.
Controls (n = 1,717) were men recruited by random digit dialing and
frequency matched to cases by age and registry. Logistic regression
was used to calculate odds ratios and 95% confidence intervals
adjusted for age, registry, race/ethnicity, education, and smoking.
Odds ratios for men who consumed less than one and those who consumed
one or more wine drinks per day were 0.8 (95% confidence interval:
0.5, 1.3) and 0.4 (95% confidence interval: 0.2, 0.9) compared with
nondrinkers, respectively (p for trend = 0.02). Among wine drinkers
who consumed alcohol beverages from ages 16 years or less, odds ratios
for intakes of less than one and one or more wine drinks per day were
0.4 (95% confidence interval: 0.2, 0.97) and 0.3 (95% confidence
interval: 0.1, 0.8), respectively (p for trend = 0.004). No
associations were evident for beer or spirits. These data show that
consumption of wine, but not of beer or spirits, is associated with a
reduced NHL risk.

PMID: 12196315 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Luna wrote in message .. .

Oh, neat. I eat all of these on my low-carb diet except the last 4. I
might eat leeks if I knew what they were, lol. Too bad spinach isn't on
the list, I eat a lot of that too.

Leeks are an onion-y type thing. They look like giant scallions.
Pretty yummy, you might want to try them.

They don't. And he misunderstood what I wrote. I said you have
to take in some amino acids and, misunderstanding, he proved I
am right.

Julianne wrote:

"Manfred Bartz" wrote in message
...
Patricia Heil writes:

I wonder how vegans could claim that their diet is "naturally fitting
human beings" if people develop critical vitamin deficiencies while on

They also have a problem with explaining why, if vegan is natural,
humans can't manufacture all the amino acids they need from such
a diet. But they can't; ....

You are ill informed.

Vegans can get *all* the essential amino acids from plant sources.
Various varieties of nuts provide "complete" protein, so there need
not be any deficiency. Check for yourself at the USDA website.

FWIW, I am not a Vegan.

But, where do they get cobalamine?

j

--
Manfred Bartz

"Linda" wrote in message ...
I eat more veggies now then I ever had in the past.....who makes up this
BS about Atkins?

You don't consume a lot of meat, eggs, and dairy?

I gave up junk food for broccoli, cauliflower, green
beans, spinach, squash and lots of salads.

Very good. What about sweet fruits?

Sounds very unhealthy.
geesh. Just sick of it..eat your way I'll eat mine.
Low carb since 2/98

pearl wrote:
"pearl" wrote in message ...

"marengo" wrote in message

s.com...

pearl wrote:
| Diet Linked To Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma
| Meat, Saturated Fat, Dairy May Raise Risk
| By Daniel DeNoon
| Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
| WebMD Medical News
| 3-24-4
| ..
|
| "What we found is if a person has a higher intake of animal protein,
| they will have a higher risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma," Zheng tells
| Web. "

Wow! It's a good thaing that Atkins is a vegatable-rich, moderate
protein/low carbohydrate diet, emphasizing plenty of fiber-rich vegetables
like cauliflower, broccoli and cabbage!

It is, and it does? I thought you could eat as much fat and protein
as you desired, but that vegetables and fruit were restricted?


I feel sorry for those people
eating low-fat diets, consuming all that lean meat, thinking they're safe!

"And people who have a higher intake of saturated fat have an increased risk."


Now this study show that they're more likely to get cancer! Wow! And those
2-pound dieters eating 2 pounds of beef every day! Poor guys!

More confirmation that my low-carb way of eating is the healthiest of all;
thanks for posting this!

'Zheng says that people eating low-carb diets may also be
at risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma if they eat too much
meat and too few vegetables.'
http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/...?printing=true


ADD;

RELATIVE risk of breast cancer among Japanese woman
Meat Eggs Butter/cheese
less than once per week 1.0 1.0 1.0
2-4 times per week 2.55 1.91 2.10
almost daily 3.83 2.86 3.23
(from a paper by Hirayama cited in John Scharffenberg's
"Problems with Meat", 1989)