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Yo-yo dieting
Everyone here has probably yo-yoed a time or two (or ten). If we
didn't have a tendency to overeat...make that a strong urge, we would not have gotten overweight to begin with. OK, using any number of diet schemes, you do manage to lose a bunch of weight. Now you transition into a new mode...maintenance. This is a dangerous time as far as your wt. control is concerned. Why? Because when you gain weight, you do not do it all at once. Oh no, it is more subtle than that. You do it by letting your defenses and good judgment down. Overeating once in a while can't hurt afterall, you can always work out a little more or eat a little less the next day. Then you find something that interfers with your exercise routine and you overeat on a regular basis. Next, where you previously weighed yourself everyday to see your wt. loss progress, now, since you subconsciously know you are gaining, you stop weighing yourself altogether. Probably, you religiously counted calories, or carbs or whatever before, but now you stop that too. You are past the point of no return. This is how it always happened to me. I'm sure there are other scenarios and I would like to hear why your previous diets might have failed. The next time you start to diet it is because you realize you have turned into a glutton, are unhealthy, look and feel fat and are thoroughly discusted with yourself. So it begins again. If this hasn't happened to you, I would like to know what did work for you. For me, having lost 95 pounds and keeping it off over 3 years now, the thing that worked was will power. What I did was make a pledge to myself NEVER EVER to overeat. I consume my 2025 calories a day and STOP eating. I also pledged to work out on a regular basis...for me that is 6X a week, without fail. OK, if I were to become ill or injured, I know I couldn't live up to that one, but there is no other reason I will accept. So far, I haven't missed a day in over 5 years. I am interested in how people have maintained their weight loss, not so much how they lost or are losing weight. Presumably, everyone knows one way or another to lose weight, but keeping it off for an extended period of time seems to be the key. dkw |
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On Mar 9, 1:56*pm, " wrote:
Everyone here has probably yo-yoed a time or two (or ten). If we didn't have a tendency to overeat...make that a strong urge, we would not have gotten overweight to begin with. OK, using any number of diet schemes, you do manage to lose a bunch of weight. Now you transition into a new mode...maintenance. This is a dangerous time as far as your wt. control is concerned. Why? Because when you gain weight, you do not do it all at once. Oh no, it is more subtle than that. You do it by letting your defenses and good judgment down. Overeating once in a while can't hurt afterall, you can always work out a little more or eat a little less the next day. Then you find something that interfers with your exercise routine and you overeat on a regular basis. Next, where you previously weighed yourself everyday to see your wt. loss progress, now, since you subconsciously know you are gaining, you stop weighing yourself altogether. Probably, you religiously counted calories, or carbs or whatever before, but now you stop that too. You are past the point of no return. This is how it always happened to me. I'm sure there are other scenarios and I would like to hear why your previous diets might have failed. The next time you start to diet it is because you realize you have turned into a glutton, are unhealthy, look and feel fat and are thoroughly discusted with yourself. So it begins again. If this hasn't happened to you, I would like to know what did work for you. For me, having lost 95 pounds and keeping it off over 3 years now, the thing that worked was will power. What I did was make a pledge to myself NEVER EVER to overeat. I consume my 2025 calories a day and STOP eating. I also pledged to work out on a regular basis...for me that is 6X a week, without fail. OK, if I were to become ill or injured, I know I couldn't live up to that one, but there is no other reason I will accept. So far, I haven't missed a day in over 5 years. I am interested in how people have maintained their weight loss, not so much how they lost or are losing weight. Presumably, everyone knows one way or another to lose weight, but keeping it off for an extended period of time seems to be the key. dkw The reason people have to diet to begin with is that their natural nutritional systems are flawed; they CANT accurately tell when they've eaten their fill. When you diet, you replace your natural mechanisms with your diet. Counting calories, restructuring meals, whatever. The problem with maintenance is that people to back to their old, still BROKEN mechanisms for handling nutrition. The obvious consequence is a resurgence of the same habits that led to the weight problem to begin with. The key, as far as I can tell (personally, I've just begun the arduous journey to a healthy weight), is to monitor the situation. Keep an eye on your weight, take an occasional look at your daily intake, etc. Set a limit weight and tell yourself that if you ever reach that weight, you'll reinstate a milder version of your weight loss diet, and cruise comfortably back down to your proper weight before those extra pounds begin to show in your appearance and the way your clothes fit. A tendency to be overweight is just like poor eyesight or dandruff; you can't rely on your body to manage the situation. You fix the problem (glasses or shampoo), and you get on with life. Weight loss is a huge event, and the lasting mark it should leave is the realization that you need to monitor and control your eating habits to avoid getting back to that awful point. |
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James G said...
The reason people have to diet to begin with is that their natural nutritional systems are flawed; they CANT accurately tell when they've eaten their fill. When you diet, you replace your natural mechanisms with your diet. Counting calories, restructuring meals, whatever. The problem with maintenance is that people to back to their old, still BROKEN mechanisms for handling nutrition. The obvious consequence is a resurgence of the same habits that led to the weight problem to begin with. The key, as far as I can tell (personally, I've just begun the arduous journey to a healthy weight), is to monitor the situation. Keep an eye on your weight, take an occasional look at your daily intake, etc. Set a limit weight and tell yourself that if you ever reach that weight, you'll reinstate a milder version of your weight loss diet, and cruise comfortably back down to your proper weight before those extra pounds begin to show in your appearance and the way your clothes fit. A tendency to be overweight is just like poor eyesight or dandruff; you can't rely on your body to manage the situation. You fix the problem (glasses or shampoo), and you get on with life. Weight loss is a huge event, and the lasting mark it should leave is the realization that you need to monitor and control your eating habits to avoid getting back to that awful point. HFCS, high fructose corn syrup is a genetically engineered sweetener. Aside from being a super sweet sugar additive, it's also known for it's bad brain effect. It blocks the brain from telling itself when it's full. You'll eat more and in return shop more and buy more products with it, as a result. So knock off the HFCS. It's amazing where they put that stuff in foods that aren't even sweet. Beware! Andy |
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On Mar 9, 2:46*pm, James G wrote:
On Mar 9, 1:56*pm, " wrote: Everyone here has probably yo-yoed a time or two (or ten). If we didn't have a tendency to overeat...make that a strong urge, we would not have gotten overweight to begin with. OK, using any number of diet schemes, you do manage to lose a bunch of weight. Now you transition into a new mode...maintenance. This is a dangerous time as far as your wt. control is concerned. Why? Because when you gain weight, you do not do it all at once. Oh no, it is more subtle than that. You do it by letting your defenses and good judgment down. Overeating once in a while can't hurt afterall, you can always work out a little more or eat a little less the next day. Then you find something that interfers with your exercise routine and you overeat on a regular basis. Next, where you previously weighed yourself everyday to see your wt. loss progress, now, since you subconsciously know you are gaining, you stop weighing yourself altogether. Probably, you religiously counted calories, or carbs or whatever before, but now you stop that too. You are past the point of no return. This is how it always happened to me. I'm sure there are other scenarios and I would like to hear why your previous diets might have failed. The next time you start to diet it is because you realize you have turned into a glutton, are unhealthy, look and feel fat and are thoroughly discusted with yourself. So it begins again. If this hasn't happened to you, I would like to know what did work for you. For me, having lost 95 pounds and keeping it off over 3 years now, the thing that worked was will power. What I did was make a pledge to myself NEVER EVER to overeat. I consume my 2025 calories a day and STOP eating. I also pledged to work out on a regular basis...for me that is 6X a week, without fail. OK, if I were to become ill or injured, I know I couldn't live up to that one, but there is no other reason I will accept. So far, I haven't missed a day in over 5 years. I am interested in how people have maintained their weight loss, not so much how they lost or are losing weight. Presumably, everyone knows one way or another to lose weight, but keeping it off for an extended period of time seems to be the key. dkw The reason people have to diet to begin with is that their natural nutritional systems are flawed; they CANT accurately tell when they've eaten their fill. *When you diet, you replace your natural mechanisms with your diet. *Counting calories, restructuring meals, whatever. The problem with maintenance is that people to back to their old, still BROKEN mechanisms for handling nutrition. *The obvious consequence is a resurgence of the same habits that led to the weight problem to begin with. The key, as far as I can tell (personally, I've just begun the arduous journey to a healthy weight), is to monitor the situation. *Keep an eye on your weight, take an occasional look at your daily intake, etc. *Set a limit weight and tell yourself that if you ever reach that weight, you'll reinstate a milder version of your weight loss diet, and cruise comfortably back down to your proper weight before those extra pounds begin to show in your appearance and the way your clothes fit. A tendency to be overweight is just like poor eyesight or dandruff; you can't rely on your body to manage the situation. *You fix the problem (glasses or shampoo), and you get on with life. Weight loss is a huge event, and the lasting mark it should leave is the realization that you need to monitor and control your eating habits to avoid getting back to that awful point.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree, except I won't allow any fudge factors. It makes some sense of course that you can try overeating a little until you reach some slightly higher weight that you have set for yourself as acceptable. This would be necessary of course if you dieted too much and lost more than you intended, or weren't happy with your lightest weight....but, giving yourself ANY wiggle room such as saying OK, if I gain 10 pounds, then I'll lose the weight again is still a yo-yo diet and it becomes very difficult all over again to lose that wt.... granted, not as hard as losing 50 pounds, but still hard. What you propose seems to be very reasonable and of course it can work...just not for me. It is kind of the equivalent of cheating on your spouse "just once". I can't say for sure, but I don't think that actually happens much. People who cheat on their spouse seem to do it more than once. Taking that first drink for an ex-alcoholic might be another analogy. While food is not the enemy and we have to eat but not drink alcohol or cheat on our spouses, I think overeating IS the enemy and I just won't go there....EVER. That's what I know works. When I would yo-yo before, I always started out just gained a few pounds that would have been very easy to monitor, then lose again. Problem is, I never did lose again until one day a year or so later, I would become disgusted with myself and then go on another diet, usually a crash-type diet. Emotionally and physically, this may not be so great for a person either although you certainly do feel good about yourself when you are losing, but perhaps you make up for that by feeling bad about yourself when you finally realize you are fat (again). This is not a criticism of your idea because I know it would, should and can work. It never did for me though. dkw |
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On Mar 9, 3:09*pm, Andy q wrote:
James G said... The reason people have to diet to begin with is that their natural nutritional systems are flawed; they CANT accurately tell when they've eaten their fill. *When you diet, you replace your natural mechanisms with your diet. *Counting calories, restructuring meals, whatever. The problem with maintenance is that people to back to their old, still BROKEN mechanisms for handling nutrition. *The obvious consequence is a resurgence of the same habits that led to the weight problem to begin with. The key, as far as I can tell (personally, I've just begun the arduous journey to a healthy weight), is to monitor the situation. *Keep an eye on your weight, take an occasional look at your daily intake, etc. *Set a limit weight and tell yourself that if you ever reach that weight, you'll reinstate a milder version of your weight loss diet, and cruise comfortably back down to your proper weight before those extra pounds begin to show in your appearance and the way your clothes fit. A tendency to be overweight is just like poor eyesight or dandruff; you can't rely on your body to manage the situation. *You fix the problem (glasses or shampoo), and you get on with life. Weight loss is a huge event, and the lasting mark it should leave is the realization that you need to monitor and control your eating habits to avoid getting back to that awful point. HFCS, high fructose corn syrup is a genetically engineered sweetener. Aside from being a super sweet sugar additive, it's also known for it's bad brain *effect. It blocks the brain from telling itself when it's full. You'll eat more and in return shop more and buy more products with it, as a result. So knock off the HFCS. It's amazing where they put that stuff in foods that aren't even sweet. Beware! Andy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I personally never touch the stuff. I think the HFCS is like the second ingredient in a lot of prepared cereals like corn flakes that most people find they want to add sugar to anyway. I eat almost exclusively whole grains and nothing that has any added sweetners. I do use a lot of artificial sweetner. Perhaps that will come back to haunt me, but far as I can tell I am healthy and I been using it for years, even when I was overweight. I think they use a lot of corn sweetner because it is cheap and sells the products. Nobody I know thinks it is good for you. When I used to eat a lot of it, like in a candy bar, I would get this strange feeling in my esophagus, whatever the heck that was. Hey, they even put the stuff in horse and most animal food. Apparently it isn't just people who like the stuff. I actually had a casualty from Purina Goat Chow, which contains molasses and corn syrup. I could be wrong about the corn syrup, but it has a lot of some kind of sweetners. Anyway, I had a wonderful dairy goat that developed cavities and could not eat properly so I sold her for meat while she was still reasonably healthy. She had stopped milking though. Can you imagine the problems that crap causes just with tooth decay in humans? dkw |
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On Mar 9, 7:05 pm, " wrote:
On Mar 9, 2:46 pm, James G wrote: On Mar 9, 1:56 pm, " wrote: Everyone here has probably yo-yoed a time or two (or ten). If we didn't have a tendency to overeat...make that a strong urge, we would not have gotten overweight to begin with. OK, using any number of diet schemes, you do manage to lose a bunch of weight. Now you transition into a new mode...maintenance. This is a dangerous time as far as your wt. control is concerned. Why? Because when you gain weight, you do not do it all at once. Oh no, it is more subtle than that. You do it by letting your defenses and good judgment down. Overeating once in a while can't hurt afterall, you can always work out a little more or eat a little less the next day. Then you find something that interfers with your exercise routine and you overeat on a regular basis. Next, where you previously weighed yourself everyday to see your wt. loss progress, now, since you subconsciously know you are gaining, you stop weighing yourself altogether. Probably, you religiously counted calories, or carbs or whatever before, but now you stop that too. You are past the point of no return. This is how it always happened to me. I'm sure there are other scenarios and I would like to hear why your previous diets might have failed. The next time you start to diet it is because you realize you have turned into a glutton, are unhealthy, look and feel fat and are thoroughly discusted with yourself. So it begins again. If this hasn't happened to you, I would like to know what did work for you. For me, having lost 95 pounds and keeping it off over 3 years now, the thing that worked was will power. What I did was make a pledge to myself NEVER EVER to overeat. I consume my 2025 calories a day and STOP eating. I also pledged to work out on a regular basis...for me that is 6X a week, without fail. OK, if I were to become ill or injured, I know I couldn't live up to that one, but there is no other reason I will accept. So far, I haven't missed a day in over 5 years. I am interested in how people have maintained their weight loss, not so much how they lost or are losing weight. Presumably, everyone knows one way or another to lose weight, but keeping it off for an extended period of time seems to be the key. dkw The reason people have to diet to begin with is that their natural nutritional systems are flawed; they CANT accurately tell when they've eaten their fill. When you diet, you replace your natural mechanisms with your diet. Counting calories, restructuring meals, whatever. The problem with maintenance is that people to back to their old, still BROKEN mechanisms for handling nutrition. The obvious consequence is a resurgence of the same habits that led to the weight problem to begin with. The key, as far as I can tell (personally, I've just begun the arduous journey to a healthy weight), is to monitor the situation. Keep an eye on your weight, take an occasional look at your daily intake, etc. Set a limit weight and tell yourself that if you ever reach that weight, you'll reinstate a milder version of your weight loss diet, and cruise comfortably back down to your proper weight before those extra pounds begin to show in your appearance and the way your clothes fit. A tendency to be overweight is just like poor eyesight or dandruff; you can't rely on your body to manage the situation. You fix the problem (glasses or shampoo), and you get on with life. Weight loss is a huge event, and the lasting mark it should leave is the realization that you need to monitor and control your eating habits to avoid getting back to that awful point.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree, except I won't allow any fudge factors. It makes some sense of course that you can try overeating a little until you reach some slightly higher weight that you have set for yourself as acceptable. This would be necessary of course if you dieted too much and lost more than you intended, or weren't happy with your lightest weight....but, giving yourself ANY wiggle room such as saying OK, if I gain 10 pounds, then I'll lose the weight again is still a yo-yo diet and it becomes very difficult all over again to lose that wt.... granted, not as hard as losing 50 pounds, but still hard. What you propose seems to be very reasonable and of course it can work...just not for me. It is kind of the equivalent of cheating on your spouse "just once". I can't say for sure, but I don't think that actually happens much. People who cheat on their spouse seem to do it more than once. Taking that first drink for an ex-alcoholic might be another analogy. While food is not the enemy and we have to eat but not drink alcohol or cheat on our spouses, I think overeating IS the enemy and I just won't go there....EVER. That's what I know works. When I would yo-yo before, I always started out just gained a few pounds that would have been very easy to monitor, then lose again. Problem is, I never did lose again until one day a year or so later, I would become disgusted with myself and then go on another diet, usually a crash-type diet. Emotionally and physically, this may not be so great for a person either although you certainly do feel good about yourself when you are losing, but perhaps you make up for that by feeling bad about yourself when you finally realize you are fat (again). This is not a criticism of your idea because I know it would, should and can work. It never did for me though. dkw When I say a weight to watch for, I'm talking something in the 5 lb range, not gaining 20 and realizing it's time to cut back. I personally chart my weight every day, with a smoothed average comprising a weight trend (an average over the last 20 days, with newer weight having more influence on the trend), according to John Walker's Hacker's Diet (http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/e4/). The plan for maintenance is, when I see my weight trend start to slope up, I can make a very minor change (no snacks) in my daily routine to cancel the uptrend. If it gets past a set point, I resume dieting (which is the yo-yo bit, I suppose). Don't get me wrong, I'm not encouraging the eat-what-you-like-then- diet plan. But obsessing over making the exact number you think is "ideal" every day can set an impossible goal. At the end of the day, though, you just have to find whatever works exactly for you, and keeps you at a healthy weight. |
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"Andy" q wrote in message ... James G said... The reason people have to diet to begin with is that their natural nutritional systems are flawed; they CANT accurately tell when they've eaten their fill. When you diet, you replace your natural mechanisms with your diet. Counting calories, restructuring meals, whatever. The problem with maintenance is that people to back to their old, still BROKEN mechanisms for handling nutrition. The obvious consequence is a resurgence of the same habits that led to the weight problem to begin with. The key, as far as I can tell (personally, I've just begun the arduous journey to a healthy weight), is to monitor the situation. Keep an eye on your weight, take an occasional look at your daily intake, etc. Set a limit weight and tell yourself that if you ever reach that weight, you'll reinstate a milder version of your weight loss diet, and cruise comfortably back down to your proper weight before those extra pounds begin to show in your appearance and the way your clothes fit. A tendency to be overweight is just like poor eyesight or dandruff; you can't rely on your body to manage the situation. You fix the problem (glasses or shampoo), and you get on with life. Weight loss is a huge event, and the lasting mark it should leave is the realization that you need to monitor and control your eating habits to avoid getting back to that awful point. HFCS, high fructose corn syrup is a genetically engineered sweetener. Aside from being a super sweet sugar additive, it's also known for it's bad brain effect. It blocks the brain from telling itself when it's full. You'll eat more and in return shop more and buy more products with it, as a result. So knock off the HFCS. It's amazing where they put that stuff in foods that aren't even sweet. Beware! Andy HFCS might not be good for you, but it is not "genetically engineered" any more than OSB is a genetically engineered tree. maroon. |
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On Mar 9, 4:31*pm, James G wrote:
On Mar 9, 7:05 pm, " wrote: On Mar 9, 2:46 pm, James G wrote: On Mar 9, 1:56 pm, " wrote: Everyone here has probably yo-yoed a time or two (or ten). If we didn't have a tendency to overeat...make that a strong urge, we would not have gotten overweight to begin with. OK, using any number of diet schemes, you do manage to lose a bunch of weight. Now you transition into a new mode...maintenance. This is a dangerous time as far as your wt. control is concerned. Why? Because when you gain weight, you do not do it all at once. Oh no, it is more subtle than that. You do it by letting your defenses and good judgment down. Overeating once in a while can't hurt afterall, you can always work out a little more or eat a little less the next day. Then you find something that interfers with your exercise routine and you overeat on a regular basis. Next, where you previously weighed yourself everyday to see your wt. loss progress, now, since you subconsciously know you are gaining, you stop weighing yourself altogether. Probably, you religiously counted calories, or carbs or whatever before, but now you stop that too. You are past the point of no return. This is how it always happened to me. I'm sure there are other scenarios and I would like to hear why your previous diets might have failed. The next time you start to diet it is because you realize you have turned into a glutton, are unhealthy, look and feel fat and are thoroughly discusted with yourself. So it begins again. If this hasn't happened to you, I would like to know what did work for you. For me, having lost 95 pounds and keeping it off over 3 years now, the thing that worked was will power. What I did was make a pledge to myself NEVER EVER to overeat. I consume my 2025 calories a day and STOP eating. I also pledged to work out on a regular basis...for me that is 6X a week, without fail. OK, if I were to become ill or injured, I know I couldn't live up to that one, but there is no other reason I will accept. So far, I haven't missed a day in over 5 years. I am interested in how people have maintained their weight loss, not so much how they lost or are losing weight. Presumably, everyone knows one way or another to lose weight, but keeping it off for an extended period of time seems to be the key. dkw The reason people have to diet to begin with is that their natural nutritional systems are flawed; they CANT accurately tell when they've eaten their fill. *When you diet, you replace your natural mechanisms with your diet. *Counting calories, restructuring meals, whatever. The problem with maintenance is that people to back to their old, still BROKEN mechanisms for handling nutrition. *The obvious consequence is a resurgence of the same habits that led to the weight problem to begin with. The key, as far as I can tell (personally, I've just begun the arduous journey to a healthy weight), is to monitor the situation. *Keep an eye on your weight, take an occasional look at your daily intake, etc. *Set a limit weight and tell yourself that if you ever reach that weight, you'll reinstate a milder version of your weight loss diet, and cruise comfortably back down to your proper weight before those extra pounds begin to show in your appearance and the way your clothes fit. A tendency to be overweight is just like poor eyesight or dandruff; you can't rely on your body to manage the situation. *You fix the problem (glasses or shampoo), and you get on with life. Weight loss is a huge event, and the lasting mark it should leave is the realization that you need to monitor and control your eating habits to avoid getting back to that awful point.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree, except I won't allow any fudge factors. It makes some sense of course that you can try overeating a little until you reach some slightly higher weight that you have set for yourself as acceptable. This would be necessary of course if you dieted too much and lost more than you intended, or weren't happy with your lightest weight....but, giving yourself ANY wiggle room such as saying OK, if I gain 10 pounds, then I'll lose the weight again is still a yo-yo diet and it becomes very difficult all over again to lose that wt.... granted, not as hard as losing 50 pounds, but still hard. What you propose seems to be very reasonable and of course it can work...just not for me. It is kind of the equivalent of cheating on your spouse "just once". I can't say for sure, but I don't think that actually happens much. People who cheat on their spouse seem to do it more than once. Taking that first drink for an ex-alcoholic might be another analogy. While food is not the enemy and we have to eat but not drink alcohol or cheat on our spouses, I think overeating IS the enemy and I just won't go there....EVER. That's what I know works. When I would yo-yo before, I always started out just gained a few pounds that would have been very easy to monitor, then lose again. Problem is, I never did lose again until one day a year or so later, I would become disgusted with myself and then go on another diet, usually a crash-type diet. Emotionally and physically, *this may not be so great for a person either although you certainly do feel good about yourself when you are losing, but perhaps you make up for that by feeling bad about yourself when you finally realize you are fat (again). This is not a criticism of your idea because I know it would, should and can work. It never did for me though. dkw When I say a weight to watch for, I'm talking something in the 5 lb range, not gaining 20 and realizing it's time to cut back. I personally chart my weight every day, with a smoothed average comprising a weight trend (an average over the last 20 days, with newer weight having more influence on the trend), according to John Walker's Hacker's Diet (http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/e4/). *The plan for maintenance is, when I see my weight trend start to slope up, I can make a very minor change (no snacks) in my daily routine to cancel the uptrend. *If it gets past a set point, I resume dieting (which is the yo-yo bit, I suppose). Don't get me wrong, I'm not encouraging the eat-what-you-like-then- diet plan. *But obsessing over making the exact number you think is "ideal" every day can set an impossible goal. At the end of the day, though, you just have to find whatever works exactly for you, and keeps you at a healthy weight.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That works. Acutally, I do eat almost the same thing every day. That works for me cause I already know exactly how many calories are in what I eat and when I eat out, I always get a salad, or occasionally a veggie at Subway, so there again, I know the calories. I admit I'm obscessed about my diet and one of my favorite channels is the Food Channel where they go to diners and eat huge portions of fattening food like fried this and fried that. I also like the food eating contests...well some of those are a little disgusting where they don't actually eat the food, but make faces and swallow it whole, but I guess it is sort of like reading Playboy or something like that where you can look, but can't touch. Oh, yes, I'm obscessed, just like an ex- alcoholic is obscessed with not drinking. I wonder if ex-alcoholics collect ads for Budweiser or vodka? |
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Del Cecchi said...
HFCS might not be good for you, but it is not "genetically engineered" any more than OSB is a genetically engineered tree. maroon. It is VERY genetically engineered! Fidiot!!! Andy -- T2 HBP Gout |
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