Atkins+Low Carb equals Death

On 12 Jul 2004 20:33:55 -0700, (Randy
Smith, MD) wrote:

Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they usually
rebound and gain the weight back.

Both empirical and cited data agree with this 100%

The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a lower
fasting insulin level without the risks.

And with the same inevitable results.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

:: Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
:: concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
:: protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
:: loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they
:: usually rebound and gain the weight back.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:39:07 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

What a statement. You should run and hide now.

Why so? The Atkins diet, many believe, has associated health concerns
including hyperlipidemia and the adverse effects of ketosis.
Commercial (book) diets like Atkins have horrible failure rates and
the majority who fail on these diets rebound weight to a higher level.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Why so? The Atkins diet, many believe, has associated health concerns
including hyperlipidemia and the adverse effects of ketosis.
Commercial (book) diets like Atkins have horrible failure rates and
the majority who fail on these diets rebound weight to a higher level

WHAT A LOAD. there are no adverse effects of ketosis. Ketones are the original
source you body, heart and brain wants and needs to run on - WE HUMAN MORONS
made glucose the new fuel. That is why we are sick, fat, lethargic and stupid.
The only health risks associated with low carb dieting are the idiots that dont
read and eve know what they are doing - like they eat the ketchup on their
protein wrapped burger, etc etc.

Every EVERY every diet book has horrible failure weights and 75% or higher
regain the weight. DUH. This isn't just Atkins. Even gastric bypass patients
gain the weight back. Staying thin is a constant struggle, you can't let up.
Most people do the diet wrong, cheat, give up, go back to eating crap...etc
etc. The diet didnt fail, they did. Most diets help you lose weight but low
carb is the only diet (argue with me if you want but when you are dying of
cancer - another disease you CANNOT get while low carb eating, you can think of
this post) that cures diseases and makes you unbelievably healthy, happy and
sane.

(Randy Smith, MD) wrote in message om...
Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they usually
rebound and gain the weight back.

Wow, yet more evidence that doctors know little about nutrition.



The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a lower
fasting insulin level without the risks.

(Randy Smith, MD) wrote in message om...
Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they usually
rebound and gain the weight back.

Wow, yet more evidence that doctors know little about nutrition.



The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a lower
fasting insulin level without the risks.

Mu wrote:
Why so? The Atkins diet, many believe, has associated health
concerns including hyperlipidemia and the adverse effects of
ketosis.
Commercial (book) diets like Atkins have horrible failure rates and
the majority who fail on these diets rebound weight to a higher
level

Kittenlove99 wrote:
WHAT A LOAD. there are no adverse effects of ketosis. Ketones are
the original source you body, heart and brain wants and needs to run
on - WE
HUMAN MORONS made glucose the new fuel. That is why we are sick,
fat, lethargic
and stupid. The only health risks associated with low carb dieting
are the
idiots that dont read and eve know what they are doing - like they
eat the ketchup on
their protein wrapped burger, etc etc.

Every EVERY every diet book has horrible failure weights and 75% or
higher regain the weight. DUH. This isn't just Atkins. Even gastric
bypass
patients gain the weight back. Staying thin is a constant struggle,
you can't
let up.
Most people do the diet wrong, cheat, give up, go back to eating
crap...etc etc. The diet didnt fail, they did. Most diets help you
lose weight
but low carb is the only diet (argue with me if you want but when
you are
dying of cancer - another disease you CANNOT get while low carb
eating, you
can think of this post) that cures diseases and makes you
unbelievably healthy,
happy and sane.

Could you please stop trying to help? Low carb doesn't prevent people
from getting cancer, nor does it cure diseases or guarantee happiness.
It can be a valuable tool for controlling diabetes - I've been using
it for over 5 years and it's been a boon for diabetes management - but
it doesn't cure anything. I'm not immune from cancer, and low carbing
didn't prevent my clinical depression either.
Low carb is a dietary approach. It's not a religion. Relax a bit.

Carmen

(Tony Lew) wrote in
om:

(Randy Smith, MD) wrote in message news:
.. .
Steve - I agree that the Atkin's diet has some associated health
concerns such as the hyperlipidemia you refer to. In addition the
protein causes an acidic condition in the body which promotes calcium
loss among other things. EVen if people survive the diet they usually
rebound and gain the weight back.

Wow, yet more evidence that doctors know little about nutrition.



The use of complex carbohydrates in the diet in a balanced way (as in
the Zone diet) accomplishes the health benefits such as having a lower
fasting insulin level without the risks.


Did you mean lower fasting blood glucose levels?

r


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Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

Could you please stop trying to help? Low carb doesn't prevent people
from getting cancer, nor does it cure diseases or guarantee happiness.
It can be a valuable tool for controlling diabetes - I've been using
it for over 5 years and it's been a boon for diabetes management - but
it doesn't cure anything. I'm not immune from cancer, and low carbing
didn't prevent my clinical depression either.
Low carb is a dietary approach. It's not a religion. Relax a bit.

Carmen

actually Carmen, you are wrong. It cures many diseases. Maybe you need to read
up a bit on the diet you have chosen. As far as your clinical depression, how
many grams of carb do you eat a day? I would guess you are not under 10g a day.
Maybe you should try that before you state it doesnt work. Further, I was
bleeding for months straight and after 1 month of not eating carb I have had
normal periods since. Doesnt cure anything? How about cured my gallbladder
problems, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes, pcos, depression....
hmmmm and everyone else I have ever put on my diet. As far as cancer is
concerned, I would glad to share the info with you if you want to email me
privately. Cancer is not caused by sugar but it cant live without it. PERIOD.
Everyone is sick with diseases directly correlated with the amount of carb this
society consumes, I mean DAMN - people cant even get through one day without a
piece of fruit. It is sickening how many carbs people eat and they keep getting
fatter and sicker. You explain it if sugar isnt the culprit! Just all of a
sudden every 50 year old man is dying of a heart attack and every woman has
polycystic ovarian syndrome????? THINK. READ. RESEARCH. There is a correlation.
And for you non low carbers - get over your brain washing that you need carbs
to live, blah blah blah - who told you this? The same doctors that would go out
of business if you werent sick. THINK.

I'm not here to defend or condem that Atkins approach - I'm simply
interested in the truth - "and the truth shall set you free". I'm
interested in hearing 'both sides of the arguments' and read whatever
pro and con arguments I can find.

However... I've noticed that your arguments are often based on
obsolete research. Much has changed, both in terms of scientific
research, and prevailing opinions since 1993 (the copyright date on
the book you reference below)...


On 11 Jul 2004 16:50:47 -0700, (Steve
Randy Shilts Bayt) wrote:
STEVE BAYT
(Parma/Brook Park, Ohio)


JOHN HOPKINS UNIVERSITY Complete Guide For Preventing and Reversing
Heart Disease copyright1993 by Peter O. Kwiterwovich Jr. MD starts
tonight's article on Atkins Related Death Syndrome(ARDS):

Consumer Reports June 2002 page 30 foreshadows ARDS " For nearly 30
years, the nutrition establishment has denounced the diet promulgated
by Dr. Robert C. Atkins for it's unsound, high-fat, ultra low
carbohydrate regimen.
.... you're seriously looking to Consumer Reports as an authorithy on
nutrition??


The Mayo Clinics "The Ultimate guide to heart health by Bernard J.
Gersh second edition copyright 200 call number 616. 12 provide one of
dozens of quotes from library medical journal books.
copyright 2000?


THE IDIOTS GUIDE TO TOTAL NUTRITION, Joy Bauer MS. RD, Chapter 2 tries
to explain that Carbohydrates don't turn into fat.
This is a little better at least, with the 3rd edition coming out in
2002.

I'm certainly not trying to discourage you from playing 'Devil's
Advocate' and expressing your views about Atkins... I'm just saying I
think you would have a much stronger argrument if you referred to more
recent studies and opinions of reputable experts in the field of
nutrition (Harvard, etc.)

On 14-Jul-2004, (KittenLove99) wrote:

Could you please stop trying to help? Low carb doesn't prevent
people from getting cancer, nor does it cure diseases or guarantee
happiness.
It can be a valuable tool for controlling diabetes - I've been
using it for over 5 years and it's been a boon for diabetes
management -
but it doesn't cure anything. I'm not immune from cancer, and low
carbing didn't prevent my clinical depression either.
Low carb is a dietary approach. It's not a religion. Relax a bit.

Carmen

actually Carmen, you are wrong. It cures many diseases. Maybe you
need to read up a bit on the diet you have chosen. As far as your
clinical
depression, how many grams of carb do you eat a day? I would guess
you are not under
10g a day.
Maybe you should try that before you state it doesnt work. Further,
I was bleeding for months straight and after 1 month of not eating
carb I
have had normal periods since. Doesnt cure anything? How about cured
my
gallbladder problems, high blood pressure, high cholesterol,
diabetes, pcos,
depression....
hmmmm and everyone else I have ever put on my diet. As far as cancer
is concerned, I would glad to share the info with you if you want to
email me privately. Cancer is not caused by sugar but it cant live
without
it. PERIOD.
Everyone is sick with diseases directly correlated with the amount
of carb this society consumes, I mean DAMN - people cant even get
through one day
without a piece of fruit. It is sickening how many carbs people eat
and they
keep getting fatter and sicker. You explain it if sugar isnt the
culprit! Just
all of a sudden every 50 year old man is dying of a heart attack and
every
woman has polycystic ovarian syndrome????? THINK. READ. RESEARCH.
There is a
correlation. And for you non low carbers - get over your brain
washing that you
need carbs to live, blah blah blah - who told you this? The same
doctors that
would go out of business if you werent sick. THINK.

Vanessa, I'm a senior pre-med student with a 4.0 cum. Unless you can
discuss cancer in terms of oncogenes, translocation mutations and
deletions, apoptosis and transcription at a minimum you're in way over
your head. As for whether or not cancer can live without sugar you've
clearly not taken the process of gluconeogenesis into consideration.
Different amino acids plug into the Kreb cycle at different points,
some more glucogenic than others. Eating protein yields substrates
for the process. Even Atkins' book states that 58% of the protein
consumed will be used for gluconeogenesis. The glycerol backbone of
the fats that are broken down can be run through the process as well.
Just because you don't eat carbs doesn't mean there's no sugar in your
body. Certain parts of your body have to have it for fuel - like your
erythrocytes (red blood cells) for example. They cannot use ketones
like the brain can. Even the brain still draws ~50% of its fuel from
glucose in a whole-body ketogenic state. It never uses *only*
ketones.

I suggest in the future that you Google a person's posts before
presuming you possess more knowledge on a subject than they do. I
did.

Carmen