Ephedrine for sale (2 bottles)

Bob M writes:
But it was a plastic capsule. What do I do, break it apart and eat
part of it? If it's that bad, why isn't the capsule smaller? By
"capsule" I mean a plastic shell surrounding the chemicals inside,
which means that the chemicals are going everywhere once I open it.

The stuff I used, the final dose was 6 capsules a day. So I started
with one a day. However, I can take the full dose without problems.

Here's the problem -- the dose was too high, but I took HALF the
RECOMMENDED dose. (And that was half the daily dose.) How am I to
know that I should've taken 1/6 of that dose?

Not much you can do about misinformation. Sigh.

Qilt Kitty writes:
Article on Atkins about ephadra

http://atkins.com/Archive/2003/5/16-412996.html?

In general, I agree. Note:

"... that if abused could kill you."

*if*

"The claim is that ephedra revs ups your metabolism.... It appears to
do so, but not by a lot."

At best, about a 10% increase in calories burned. It's an edge, not a
miracle.

"In fact, doses of more than 32 milligams a day..."

Hmmm... the ones I've used are 20 mg/day (that's six tablets), but
I've seen "extreme" ones, which contain up to 60 mg/day.

.... caffeine ...

The stack I was taking was equivalent to six cups of coffee a day.
Since I don't drink coffee, and I know people who drink 6+ cups a day,
I don't see a problem with that.


Ephedra, like many other supplements, is one of many tools that a
dieter can use (or not use) to their advantage. People like me, who
have low blood pressure and a slow metabolism, benefit quite a bit
from it. Other people won't benefit, some shouldn't take it at all.
Like all else, YMMV.

In alt.support.diet DJ Delorie wrote:
Ephedra, like many other supplements, is one of many tools that a
dieter can use (or not use) to their advantage. People like me, who
have low blood pressure and a slow metabolism, benefit quite a bit
from it. Other people won't benefit, some shouldn't take it at all.
Like all else, YMMV.

It was especially beneficial to me as I needed both a stimulant for a
specific job-related period of time AND I needed to control asthma.
(Although that wasn't in the Atkins article, ephedrine HCl in a 12 mg
dosage is available in any pharmacy in the United States as an
over-the-counter asthma medication.)

I think you need to weigh the risks and rewards of any medication - or any
food, for that matter. That's why we don't eat twinkies: the cost (in
terms of effect on our bodies) is more than the benefit for most of us.

My only request is that you let *me* decide where I fall in the
risk/reward benefit and abstain from banning ephedrine because SOME people
ought not to take it.

The same thing is true of wine, by the way. My doctor has instructed me
to have a glass of wine a day because I'm trying to raise my low
HDL. That advice would not be appropriate if I were an alcoholic or
trying to operate heavy machinery at the same time. In order to safely
negotiate the hazards of living in this world I have to behave like an
adult all by myself.

Oh, one last point: the vast majority of the complaints (if not ALL of
them) associated with the use of ephedrine was that it - gasp - acted like
a stimulant. IOW, people were complaining that they didn't LIKE it, not
that it damaged them.

-- Wendy

Isn't that stuff bad for ya?

No worse than 99 percent of the prescribed medications that people are
popping into their mouth without giving it a second thought.

If the pharmaceutical companies could make a gazillion dollars on the stuff
you can bet your boots that the FDA would not only reverse it's ridiculous
position that Ephedra and its derivatives are not only NOT harmful, but that
they are actually good at what they do and pose less of a risk than many
other drugs. Of course, that isn't going to happen because Ephedra is dirt
cheap and not patentable.

SD

"Wendy" wrote in message
...

Excellent post Wendy. I agree completely. One cavet: while most of
the complaints about ephedra have been on the order of 'I want a
stimulant that doesn't make me feel stimulated', there have been a few
deaths, mainly from misuse-- overdose combined with heavy excercize in
high heat conditions. This is where the 'ban ephedra' campaign is
getting it's steam from. Because of a few athletes with more money
than brains, I can't get my prefered decongestant/antihistamine that
seems to be the only drug I've tried that makes a dent in my
migraines.

revek


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DJ Delorie at talked on ....

Ephedra, like many other supplements, is one of many tools that a
Like all else, YMMV.

Zactly .. But it's always better to KNOW what you are about to put in your
mouth BEFORE you do it ..

Figured the article was well put together .. Covered some aspects that I
wasn't existed

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Kitty =^..^=
168/161.6/130
September 17 2003

Sorry, I don't get it. If Ephedrine is bad for you, then it is bad for
others. Why would you sell it? I wouldn't want that on my conscience, if I
were you.

Throw it out and count your losses. That would be the kind thing to do.

Cat

"Cat" writes:
If Ephedrine is bad for you,

Apparently so for the seller.

then it is bad for others.

This doesn't follow. Ephedra is fine for me, for example. The whole
point of the sale is to move the ephedra to someone who can use it,
from someone who cannot.

Is this another attempt to troll?

Martha

"Ignoramus29553" wrote in message
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In article , Jarkat2002
wrote:
I have 2 unopened bottles of ephedrine that I would like to sell. Each
has I think 300 tablets. I bought them when I started dieting but
never took it and never opened the bottles (about 3-4 months
ago). They spent this time in a dry, dark, cool place.

Write to ichudov AT algebra DOT com.

i

I won't touch the stuff, when I have my heart felt like it was going
to blow a valve Why didn't you use it? ~Kat

It was a dumb idea to buy it in the first place. I bought it after I
lost 15 or so lbs and stalled on a plateau. Having heard of all the
bad things about ephedrine I kind of waited and delayed opening the
bottles. Then I got to a 23 lbs or so loss and decided that I have no
need to risk anything by taking that stuff. Plus I would be more proud
and secure in my weight loss if I accomplished it by natural means
than via strange chemicals. I reasoned that it would also be easier to
maintain my new weight and help me learn better nutrition. Plus I have
thyroid issues which are listed as counterindications to ephedrine.

So I ended up not even opening the bottles and am trying to recoup my
cost.

So, again: I do not recommend that you take ephedrine. Based on the
little information that I know, I recommend AGAINST it. But if you
still want to buy nice potent ephedrine, I have 2 bottles that I can
sell. I accept paypal.

i
223/176/180

I wouldn't trust anything from him. Who knows what it really is and what
he's done to it.

Martha

"Wendy" wrote in message
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Ignoramus29553 wrote:
So, again: I do not recommend that you take ephedrine. Based on the
little information that I know, I recommend AGAINST it. But if you
still want to buy nice potent ephedrine, I have 2 bottles that I can
sell. I accept paypal.

I'm interested. How much? What's the brand and dosage level? (Sometimes
shipping costs more than I'm willing to pay!)

Debby, the reason I'm interested is that low doses of ephedrine, when
combined with caffeine, are useful in several ways in fat loss. They
work as a metabolism stimulator and seems to preferentially burn the kind
of fat on your stomach which is particularly bad for you. It's also an
appetite suppressant. Some people find it works better for them than
others.

But it is a stimulant and needs to be evaluated specifically for how your
body will handle it in context. I prefer to take it during tax season -
I'm a tax accountant - because my exercise level goes down and my need for
stimulants goes up. It's also a bit of an appetite suppressant.

I generally take 24 mg of ephedrine in the form of 3 8 mg tablets along
with 200 mg of caffeine in the form of one cup of coffee and 1/2 a 200 mg
caffeine tablet. I do this once in the morning and sometimes I'll do a
half dose in the early afternoon in lieue of reaching for some chocolate
or other over-the-counter-higher-calorie stimulant. I also have asthma
and ephedrine is truly useful as a bronchio-dilator. In fact, that's
where you'll find it on the shelves at the drugstore - look for broncaid
or primatene tablets. It has been used literally for centuries.

The press has become inflamatory about it in the past three or four years
but the number of deaths actually caused by ephedrine versus caused by
heart failure for whatever reason you were taking ephedrine is very hard
to tease out. Steve Belcher died, for example, when he was out of shape,
over-heated, dehydrated and taking 3x the recommended dose on an empty
stomach. More people die from aspirin than from ephedrine and a LOT more
people die from obesity than from ephedrine.

A good site for learning more about the actual research behind ephedrine
is www.drumlib.com.

I'm not worried about ephedrine-related death, I'm worried about
obesity-related death.

Wendy, but that's just me