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Old May 5th, 2006, 06:37 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diet
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Default Increasing evidence supports carb diets for weight loss and improvement in cardiovascular disease (CVD);

Sure, why not?

A high-carb vegetarian diet will melt pounds off you.

It has been proved over and over again.

Just thought that you might want to know.

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Old May 5th, 2006, 06:44 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diet
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Sure, why not?

A high-carb vegetarian diet will melt pounds off you.

It has been proved over and over again.

Just thought that you might want to know.


You can provide a cite I suppose? Let me guess, the esteemed "Journal
of 'Cause I Said So", May 2006 issue?

Carmen

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Old May 5th, 2006, 06:45 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diet
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Sure, why not?

A high-carb vegetarian diet will melt pounds off you.


Someone with your kind of brain damage would be better served by
shutting the f**k up. It would save you from the constant embarassment
that your stupidity engenders from those of us who have some
intellectual capacity.

TC

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Old May 5th, 2006, 09:15 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diet
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Carmen wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:


A high-carb vegetarian diet will melt pounds off you.


It has been proved over and over again.


Just thought that you might want to know.


You can provide a cite I suppose? Let me guess, the esteemed "Journal
of 'Cause I Said So", May 2006 issue?


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in595998.shtml gives
an example of a high-carb vegetarian diet causing weight loss without
any reduction of calories.

I suppose just about any diet shows a weight loss except the high
fructose soda pop diet.

IIRC, the body is inefficient at converting carbohydrates to fat so
that is a possible cause for the weight loss. Of course, the other
nutrients in a vegetarian diet might be helpful in burning calories.

--
Ron

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Old May 5th, 2006, 09:39 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diet
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Ron Peterson wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in595998.shtml gives
an example of a high-carb vegetarian diet causing weight loss without
any reduction of calories.


Bull****. That study was crap. The only way you lose weight on a high
carb diet is thru malnourishment and or abject starvation.


I suppose just about any diet shows a weight loss except the high
fructose soda pop diet.


Wrong again. A diet has to satiate you. That requires a diet with no
refined carbs. You need whole food carbs. And you need animal fats and
proteins to fill you up and provide important nutrients that are
lacking in any diet that excludes animal sourced foods.


IIRC, the body is inefficient at converting carbohydrates to fat so
that is a possible cause for the weight loss. Of course, the other
nutrients in a vegetarian diet might be helpful in burning calories.

--
Ron


More utter BS. The body takes refined carbs and converts them very
efficiently into body fat. Read any bio-chem textbook and you will see
in the first or second chapter that carbs easily convert to fat.

There is nothing in a vegetarian diet that is helpful in burning
calories. And a vegetarian diet is missing a couple of dozen very
important nutrients in sufficient amounts for optimal health.
Vegetarianism is not good nutrition, regardless of how you look at it.

Starvation of important animal-sourced nutrients will lead to weight
loss, but it will most definitely not lead to optimal health.

TC

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Old May 5th, 2006, 10:02 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diet
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Ron Peterson wrote:

IIRC, the body is inefficient at converting carbohydrates to fat so
that is a possible cause for the weight loss. Of course, the other
nutrients in a vegetarian diet might be helpful in burning calories.


That's the principle behind low fat diets. If you go on a low fat
diet and you aren't constantly hungry, go for it. The advantage
of low carb diets is more people aren't hngry on them. Both
work for some people.

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Old May 5th, 2006, 11:09 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diet
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On 5 May 2006 13:39:28 -0700, "TC" wrote:


Ron Peterson wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in595998.shtml gives
an example of a high-carb vegetarian diet causing weight loss without
any reduction of calories.


Bull****. That study was crap. The only way you lose weight on a high
carb diet is thru malnourishment and or abject starvation.


Uh no



I suppose just about any diet shows a weight loss except the high
fructose soda pop diet.


Wrong again. A diet has to satiate you. That requires a diet with no
refined carbs.


Really? A couple of bananas and I am full.

You need whole food carbs. And you need animal fats and
proteins to fill you up and provide important nutrients that are
lacking in any diet that excludes animal sourced foods.


You don't need to "fill up" on animal fats and proteins to get the few
required nutrients as the rest can be found elsewhere.


IIRC, the body is inefficient at converting carbohydrates to fat so
that is a possible cause for the weight loss. Of course, the other
nutrients in a vegetarian diet might be helpful in burning calories.

--
Ron


More utter BS. The body takes refined carbs and converts them very
efficiently into body fat. Read any bio-chem textbook and you will see
in the first or second chapter that carbs easily convert to fat.


Funny how I always gain weight when I eat more fat? Of course fat has
more calories duh.


There is nothing in a vegetarian diet that is helpful in burning
calories.


Activity is the key here


And a vegetarian diet is missing a couple of dozen very
important nutrients in sufficient amounts for optimal health.
Vegetarianism is not good nutrition, regardless of how you look at it.


It is quite easy to get the required nutrients and protein on a low
fat diet. I think you are getting confused between a vegan diet and a
low fat/vegetarian diet.


Starvation of important animal-sourced nutrients will lead to weight
loss, but it will most definitely not lead to optimal health.


Oh really? So nutrient density is what causes obesity? LOL
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Old May 5th, 2006, 11:11 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diet
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On 5 May 2006 10:45:35 -0700, "TC" wrote:



Someone with your kind of brain damage would be better served by
shutting the f**k up.

TC


So I guess we won't be hearing from you for awhile?
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Old May 6th, 2006, 02:36 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diet
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TC wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Sure, why not?

A high-carb vegetarian diet will melt pounds off you.


Someone with your kind of brain damage would be better served by
shutting the f**k up. It would save you from the constant embarassment
that your stupidity engenders from those of us who have some
intellectual capacity.


If you are so smart, why are you so bloody stupid?

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Old May 6th, 2006, 07:40 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diabetes
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Marengo wrote:
On 5 May 2006 10:37:01 -0700, "Mr. Natural-Health"
wrote:

|Sure, why not?
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|A high-carb vegetarian diet will melt pounds off you.
|
For a while. Until the blood glucose and insulin spikes and valleys
lead to metabolic syndrome and diabetes.

Then you lose weight by having toes and feet amputated.


I agree. High carb will work until the blood glucose
roller coaster ride creates non-compliance (drives
you nuts with hunger and sporadic overeating because
you're not willing to prepare and eat 6 - 8 itty bitty
unsatisfying meals every day).

Those who still fear fat and think that grains and
legumes are beneficial can utilize the moderate carb
diets (40-30-30, zone, southbeach or their own custom
variation) and have a better shot at consistent compliance.

Any diet that creates caloric restriction and subsequent
weight loss will improve markers of health. Therefore,
the best diet is the diet that can be complied with
consistently. In the absence of consistent compliance,
the argument as to which is better, low carb or low fat,
is meaningless. As calories are restricted more and
more, macronutrient ratio matters less and less (as
far as improvement in markers for disease is concerned).

In my opinion, the best diet is the one that best addresses
ones individual situation. For example, if one has diabetes
or the metabolic syndrome, low carb is the best choice.
If one has blocked arteries, then ultra low fat is the
best choice. If a person is healthy (disease free), a
moderate carb diet (relaxed low carb or low fat based on
metabolic typing and/or consistent compliance) is best.
--


 




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