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Old September 30th, 2003, 03:04 PM
Chris Braun
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:45:26 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
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Have you tried any of the soy cheeses out there? Just curious. DH has been
my guinea pig for lots of new things until I can eat them, but he refuses to
even consider the idea of soy cheese


I have, but couldn't see any benefit in taste or nutrition over my
standby f/f cheese slices :-). Of course they're a source of soy,
whereas the f/f cheese is not, but I get soy elsewhere in my diet
anyway. They might be a good choice for someone with lactose
tolerance problems.

Chris
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Old October 1st, 2003, 12:42 AM
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anyone knows if what the joe posted about soy is true or is it simply
propaganda by the milk industry which was very upset with the idea of 'soy'
milk and they are even sued them for patent infringement or some such
because they claim soy milk is not a real 'milk'

Ignoramus3739 wrote:
Very interesting stuff Joe. Thanks for the links, I read those
articles. I will wait with my soy experiments until I become convinced
that the soy products are as safe as, say, meat and tomatoes.

i

In article , Joe wrote:
On 29 Sep 2003 15:06:08 GMT, Ignoramus3739
wrote:

I have been reading some ideas about benefits of soy products, but I
am not very familiar with them. Does anyone know if those benefits
are really valid, and also which soy products are good. I am
allergic to soy "milk", for sure.

i


http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jun/30/soy_comments.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/202...y_feature.html



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Old October 1st, 2003, 01:45 AM
Jennifer Austin
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"Alison L Miles" wrote in message
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Jennifer Austin wrote:

Have you tried any of the soy cheeses out there? Just curious. DH has

been
my guinea pig for lots of new things until I can eat them, but he

refuses to
even consider the idea of soy cheese


Jenn


I'm curious about them too; I randomly selected one to try the last time I
was at Whole Foods. It was Soya Kaas fat-free pepper jack. I wouldn't
recommend starting with this one as you may need to get used to soy cheese
before transitioning to fat free soy cheese. I didn't try it IN anything
or try to melt it--I just ate it straight from the fridge. It had a
rather odd texture that wasn't like normal cheese and a kind of weird
flavor (I don't know if it was the "cheese" or the pepper jack part).
The brand I've seen most often is Galaxy Foods "veggie" line, so buying a
package of their slices may be a less scary way to start out (I just
bought some of their rice slices but haven't tried them yet).


-Alison

I sorta figured they'd just be a different kind of food altogether. I think
the Galaxy is what we have here and when I can add them to the WOE, I
thought I'd try them for a change.

Jenn


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Old October 1st, 2003, 01:51 AM
Jennifer Austin
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"Chris Braun" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:45:26 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
wrote:

Have you tried any of the soy cheeses out there? Just curious. DH has

been
my guinea pig for lots of new things until I can eat them, but he refuses

to
even consider the idea of soy cheese


I have, but couldn't see any benefit in taste or nutrition over my
standby f/f cheese slices :-). Of course they're a source of soy,
whereas the f/f cheese is not, but I get soy elsewhere in my diet
anyway. They might be a good choice for someone with lactose
tolerance problems.

Chris


I don't have lactose tolerance problems, just a lack of selection in the
local groceries. I like shredded cheese rather than slices - for making
pizza mostly. I've been making some awesome home made pizzas w/ whole grain
crust for my hubby and I thought I'd try the soy mozzarella because it had
fewer calories and fat than what I have access to. The only ff shredded
cheese I found so far is cheddar, which I do use on pizza but only with
mozzarella and parmesan.

I have used soy in the past to cut back on animal products. A friend of
mine who successfully lost 90 pounds and has kept it off for nearly 20 years
now advised that the best way to avoid or deal with foods I shouldn't eat is
not to start again. If I start off with the lower cal & fat products, I
might not crave the full fat ones since it's been so very long since I've
even had them.

Jenn


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Old October 1st, 2003, 05:20 AM
Chris Braun
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:51:45 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
wrote:

A friend of
mine who successfully lost 90 pounds and has kept it off for nearly 20 years
now advised that the best way to avoid or deal with foods I shouldn't eat is
not to start again. If I start off with the lower cal & fat products, I
might not crave the full fat ones since it's been so very long since I've
even had them.


This sounds very sensible. I've pretty much gotten past craving such
things. Some I like on special occasions -- like regular cheeses --
but I don't like full fat milk at all, and don't like much oil or
grease in most foods, or fatty meat.

I'm not sure what you've been doing in the way of supplements while on
the liquid diet, but I'd recommend taking an EFA supplement if you
follow a diet that's quite low in fat.

Chris
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Old October 1st, 2003, 02:46 PM
jmk
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On 9/30/2003 7:42 PM, Anonymous wrote:
anyone knows if what the joe posted about soy is true or is it simply
propaganda by the milk industry which was very upset with the idea of 'soy'
milk and they are even sued them for patent infringement or some such
because they claim soy milk is not a real 'milk'


I'm not sure what to beleive. Perhaps it's one of those "everything in
moderation" things?

Soy Lowers PSA Levels in Some Men: Soy May Benefit Some Patients With
Early-Stage Prostate Cancer
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/64/72349.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

Soy Helps Hearts for Some Diabetics: Postmenopausal Women May Benefit
From Taking Supplements
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/51/43640.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}



Ignoramus3739 wrote:

Very interesting stuff Joe. Thanks for the links, I read those
articles. I will wait with my soy experiments until I become convinced
that the soy products are as safe as, say, meat and tomatoes.

i

In article , Joe wrote:

On 29 Sep 2003 15:06:08 GMT, Ignoramus3739
wrote:


I have been reading some ideas about benefits of soy products, but I
am not very familiar with them. Does anyone know if those benefits
are really valid, and also which soy products are good. I am
allergic to soy "milk", for sure.

i

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jun/30/soy_comments.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/202...y_feature.html





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Old October 2nd, 2003, 01:12 AM
Jennifer Austin
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"Chris Braun" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:51:45 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
wrote:

A friend of
mine who successfully lost 90 pounds and has kept it off for nearly 20

years
now advised that the best way to avoid or deal with foods I shouldn't eat

is
not to start again. If I start off with the lower cal & fat products, I
might not crave the full fat ones since it's been so very long since I've
even had them.


This sounds very sensible. I've pretty much gotten past craving such
things. Some I like on special occasions -- like regular cheeses --
but I don't like full fat milk at all, and don't like much oil or
grease in most foods, or fatty meat.

I'm not sure what you've been doing in the way of supplements while on
the liquid diet, but I'd recommend taking an EFA supplement if you
follow a diet that's quite low in fat.

Chris


This diet is very low in fat, like only 2% of my calories. Now that I've
begun transition and using the entrees it's about 5-8% for now and will keep
going up slowly as I add food items. What is EFA? I'm not adverse to
supplements and if it would be useful I will definitely look into it.

Jenn


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Old October 2nd, 2003, 01:33 AM
Chris Braun
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:12:37 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
wrote:


"Chris Braun" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:51:45 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
wrote:

A friend of
mine who successfully lost 90 pounds and has kept it off for nearly 20

years
now advised that the best way to avoid or deal with foods I shouldn't eat

is
not to start again. If I start off with the lower cal & fat products, I
might not crave the full fat ones since it's been so very long since I've
even had them.


This sounds very sensible. I've pretty much gotten past craving such
things. Some I like on special occasions -- like regular cheeses --
but I don't like full fat milk at all, and don't like much oil or
grease in most foods, or fatty meat.

I'm not sure what you've been doing in the way of supplements while on
the liquid diet, but I'd recommend taking an EFA supplement if you
follow a diet that's quite low in fat.

Chris


This diet is very low in fat, like only 2% of my calories. Now that I've
begun transition and using the entrees it's about 5-8% for now and will keep
going up slowly as I add food items. What is EFA? I'm not adverse to
supplements and if it would be useful I will definitely look into it.

Jenn


EFA stands for Essential Fatty Acids. My supplement contains omega 3,
6, & 9 fats along with flaxseed oil. I buy the brand sold by my gym,
but you should be able to find similar things anywhere supplements are
sold. These are the "good fats"; they're essential to a whole bunch
of bodily functions, including heart health. There's also evidence
that they help one attain and maintain a healthy weight. (You can
find a bunch of stuff about this on the web.)

Chris
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Old October 2nd, 2003, 03:49 AM
Jennifer Austin
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"Chris Braun" wrote in message
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This diet is very low in fat, like only 2% of my calories. Now that I've
begun transition and using the entrees it's about 5-8% for now and will

keep
going up slowly as I add food items. What is EFA? I'm not adverse to
supplements and if it would be useful I will definitely look into it.

Jenn


EFA stands for Essential Fatty Acids. My supplement contains omega 3,
6, & 9 fats along with flaxseed oil. I buy the brand sold by my gym,
but you should be able to find similar things anywhere supplements are
sold. These are the "good fats"; they're essential to a whole bunch
of bodily functions, including heart health. There's also evidence
that they help one attain and maintain a healthy weight. (You can
find a bunch of stuff about this on the web.)

Chris


Gotcha. I'm familiar with that. I'm probably not going to be able to take
them now because they're probably not non-caloric, BUT when I do get totally
back into food, I plan on using flax seed and I prefer the fattier fish
(salmon, tuna, halibut) so I'm sure I'll get plenty in my WOE, but I'll look
into it if that doesn't seem to be the case. A new health food store opened
up in town and the guy who runs it plans on opening a vegetarian deli,
including sprouted breads & sprouted flax seed gel among other things.

Jenn


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Old October 2nd, 2003, 04:50 AM
Chris Braun
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:49:03 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
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Gotcha. I'm familiar with that. I'm probably not going to be able to take
them now because they're probably not non-caloric,


No, but they're not high in calories. The daily dosage of mine has 40
calories - a bit over 4g of fat.

BUT when I do get totally
back into food, I plan on using flax seed and I prefer the fattier fish
(salmon, tuna, halibut) so I'm sure I'll get plenty in my WOE, but I'll look
into it if that doesn't seem to be the case. A new health food store opened
up in town and the guy who runs it plans on opening a vegetarian deli,
including sprouted breads & sprouted flax seed gel among other things.


Maybe your liquid diet already includes some good fats? It really
wouldn't seem healthy to have none, from what I've read.

The vegetarian deli sounds cool!

Chris

 




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