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I fixed an appointment with a naturopath to help me with my diet. I
first want to meet with my family doctor to get all the test reports off him (blood reports, radiographies, etc.) and bring them to the naturopath in case there are things in those reports that he and I should know. I briefly talked with him over the phone today to set up an appointment. I asked him if it is possible that my pot belly is made more of water than fat. I know about "gut leak", but did not want to mention the term yet. I just wanted to test his knowledge. He seemed surprised with my questions and just said, "That's fat. That's fat". Should I call another naturopath? How should I prepare to face the naturopath? THanks. |
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wrote in message ... I fixed an appointment with a naturopath to help me with my diet. I first want to meet with my family doctor to get all the test reports off him (blood reports, radiographies, etc.) and bring them to the naturopath in case there are things in those reports that he and I should know. I briefly talked with him over the phone today to set up an appointment. I asked him if it is possible that my pot belly is made more of water than fat. I know about "gut leak", but did not want to mention the term yet. I just wanted to test his knowledge. He seemed surprised with my questions and just said, "That's fat. That's fat". Should I call another naturopath? How should I prepare to face the naturopath? THanks. So you think that you have a leak in your intestines that is causing your abdomen to fill with fluid? This "gut leak" stuff sounds like something made up by unscientific people, sort of like the Chiropractors that claim all disease is due to misalignments of spine. Sorry, I am skeptical about the whole concept. del |
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On Nov 18, 2:31*pm, "Del Cecchi"
wrote: wrote in message ... I fixed an appointment with a naturopath to help me with my diet. I first want to meet with my family doctor to get all the test reports off him (blood reports, radiographies, etc.) and bring them to the naturopath in case there are things in those reports that he and I should know. I briefly talked with him over the phone today to set up an appointment. I asked him if it is possible that my pot belly is made more of water than fat. I know about "gut leak", but did not want to mention the term yet. I just wanted to test his knowledge. He seemed surprised with my questions and just said, "That's fat. That's fat". Should I call another naturopath? How should I prepare to face the naturopath? THanks. So you think that you have a leak in your intestines that is causing your abdomen to fill with fluid? This "gut leak" stuff sounds like something made up by unscientific people, sort of like the Chiropractors that claim all disease is due to misalignments of spine. Sorry, I am skeptical about the whole concept. del Del, you may be right. If you have a few minutes, it would be appreciated if you could read this and let me know what you think. http://www.treelight.com/health/nutrition/Wheat.html |
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Del, you may be right. If you have a few minutes, it would be appreciated if you could read this and let me know what you think. http://www.treelight.com/health/nutrition/Wheat.html I'm specifically wheat intolerant rather than generally gluten intolerant so I'll comment. First, if you suspect then stop eating the stuff for two weeks and see if you feel better. Then resume eating the stuff and see if you feel worse. It's not obvious but it's a lot easier to tell getting worse than getting better. Being specifically wheat intolerant I don't need to avoid barley (I like a beer or a shot most weeks) or rye (wheat free rye bread is carried by some stores) or oats (I don't know why the article does not list oats). But I do need to avoid wheat varieties with fancy names that the article does not list as wheat - triticale, spelt, kamut. I occasionally have pasta from quinoa and various other non-what grains but it's easy to just avoid anything that probably has wheat-poison in it. The symptoms take so long to develop, in fact, that you get used to them. "That's just the way things are", you think, or: "That's just what happens when you get older." Or "It runs in the family. We've always been like that." But you can become so used to them that they feel "normal". Exactly my situation before I went wheat free for two weeks. Then boom a bunch of symptoms went away and my formal normal is now my new misable. The change is amazing. When I first added wheat back in the form of a floury gravy and boom the symptoms came back in the long list, I wrote that nasty crap off as poison and good riddence. The largest amounts of glutens are found in wheat, rye, and barley--a closely related trio of grains The next in line for gluten content is oats. No idea why they don't list it. Then there are the "in between" grains: couscoous, amaranth, quinoa, semolina, spelt, kamut, teff and triticale. Those grains don't contain gluten per se, but research has shown they have very similar effects. So until the research or personal testing says otherwise, they're on the suspect list. Couscoous is wheat chopped into coarse bits not fine flour so I have no idea why they call it not wheat. Semolina is wheat that is ground rather than chopped, but it's coarse ground so I have no idea why it's not listed as wheat either. Triticale is one of the standard breeds of wheat (as is the Star Trek quadro triticale) so this is like says Macintosh isn't apple. Spelt and kaumt are ancient stock of wheat that's seen less selective breeding than modern wheat so I get that it the issue is amount of gluten not presence of it they won't be as big a problem. The only grains or flour from which gluten proteins are completely absent are rice, corn, potato, buckwheat, and coconut flour, as well as arrowroot, millet, and tapioca. Those are the only realistic grains for anyone who is gluten sensitive. Note that rice, corn and millet are grains. Millet is mostly used as cattle feed but I've found millet bread in some health foods stores. Potato, arrowroot and tapioca are roots and tubers not grains. Buckwheat is neither a deer nor a grain the same way pineapple is niether a connifer tree nor a red fruit. Buckwheat looks like grain when it's seeds but not that much in the field. Coconut flour? Really? Somebody send recipes! Over time, a food-elimination diet will identify the culprits who have been causing you trouble. (A trained nutritionist can guide you through the process.) If you read Doctor Atkins New Diet Revolution for what it actually says to do rather than just glancing at it for target carb counts, his plan includes a food elimination diet. It's the OWL sequence and the carb ladder list. Remember, gluten is addictive. So for a couple of weeks it will feel like you're giving up the whole world. You may wonder, "What on earth will I eat?" Consider the reactions so many have against Atkins and think about what that says about gluten addiction. Those who bash Atkins are often showing symptoms of addiction without knowing it. It helps me feel sympathy for folks I'd otherwise consider hateful bashers. But in a matter of weeks, the addiction will be gone. You'll be less hungry, and you won't go hungry. You especially won't be having those hunger attacks that make you feel like you're starving. This is the most amazing thing in the world - It becomes easy to stay on. One bite of addictive poison and you're starting from scratch again, though. It's unstable. After a while, as Dr. Rick Peterson says, "It's just the way I eat". It may not seem possible now, but you'll look at cookies and cakes, bagels and donuts, pancakes and muffins, and find yourself thinking: "Yuch. Who needs it?" For me it's "Where's the food? Does anyone have food for humans?" when I see baked goods. It hardly even occurs to me that others can eat that poison without ill effect and when I look for ill effects in the folks who do eat them, it's surprising how often I see some of those ill effects. Conditionally Avoid - Oats Ah. Well past half way down they finally mention it. But please note that you not have to live without baked goods entirely. There are plenty of gluten-free breads and even cookies these days, made from one or more of the "good grains" listed below: Thing is, once I figured out that wheat is a personal poison my attitude changed and I don't miss toxic nasty poisonous un-food baked goods. If I know for sure they are wheat-free I may have them as a treat, but I don't miss them if I never have them. To determine which foods cause you problems, it's a good idea to remove every possible suspect from the diet. Get down to a minimal diet that you know is healthy, and then try new things every three or four days. Give each one 3 days to manifest systems before you decide that it is ok, then either avoid it or add it back to your diet. (This "elimination diet" is best done under the supervision of qualified nutritionist, so you find out everything you should avoid.) So there you have it - That may as well be a quote from the Atkins plan. I guess the good doctor's ghost is my nutritionist. As your intestinal wall regrows, foods that gave you problems before become easily tolerated once again. So every three months or so, you can re-test the foods that are on the not-OK list. That's a lot more aggressive than my experience. After 4 years of constant and active wheat avoidance I found I could get an accidental dose in cream-of-whatever-soup with only minimal ill effects. Now 9 years into avoidance I can have a chicken fried steak and eggs once per year, chew gum constantly for 4 hours to help it through my digestion, and only snore badly for 2 nights afterwards. Because dairy is the last food that will come back to your diet, and because healing takes 6 to 12 months, there's no point in testing dairy products until 6 months after you start the healing process. You might then test it once a month, until you find that it no longer gives you problems. At that point, you'll know that you have fully healed. Dairy is the one large disagreement between Atkins and other elinimation systems. Atkins allows it from the gate. It's a loophole in Atkins. |
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Doug Freyburger wrote:
" wrote: Del, you may be right. If you have a few minutes, it would be appreciated if you could read this and let me know what you think. http://www.treelight.com/health/nutrition/Wheat.html I'm specifically wheat intolerant rather than generally gluten intolerant so I'll comment. First, if you suspect then stop eating the stuff for two weeks and see if you feel better. Then resume eating the stuff and see if you feel worse. It's not obvious but it's a lot easier to tell getting worse than getting better. Being specifically wheat intolerant I don't need to avoid barley (I like a beer or a shot most weeks) or rye (wheat free rye bread is carried by some stores) or oats (I don't know why the article does not list oats). But I do need to avoid wheat varieties with fancy names that the article does not list as wheat - triticale, spelt, kamut. I occasionally have pasta from quinoa and various other non-what grains but it's easy to just avoid anything that probably has wheat-poison in it. The symptoms take so long to develop, in fact, that you get used to them. "That's just the way things are", you think, or: "That's just what happens when you get older." Or "It runs in the family. We've always been like that." But you can become so used to them that they feel "normal". Exactly my situation before I went wheat free for two weeks. Then boom a bunch of symptoms went away and my formal normal is now my new misable. The change is amazing. When I first added wheat back in the form of a floury gravy and boom the symptoms came back in the long list, I wrote that nasty crap off as poison and good riddence. The largest amounts of glutens are found in wheat, rye, and barley--a closely related trio of grains The next in line for gluten content is oats. No idea why they don't list it. Then there are the "in between" grains: couscoous, amaranth, quinoa, semolina, spelt, kamut, teff and triticale. Those grains don't contain gluten per se, but research has shown they have very similar effects. So until the research or personal testing says otherwise, they're on the suspect list. Couscoous is wheat chopped into coarse bits not fine flour so I have no idea why they call it not wheat. Semolina is wheat that is ground rather than chopped, but it's coarse ground so I have no idea why it's not listed as wheat either. Triticale is one of the standard breeds of wheat (as is the Star Trek quadro triticale) so this is like says Macintosh isn't apple. Spelt and kaumt are ancient stock of wheat that's seen less selective breeding than modern wheat so I get that it the issue is amount of gluten not presence of it they won't be as big a problem. The only grains or flour from which gluten proteins are completely absent are rice, corn, potato, buckwheat, and coconut flour, as well as arrowroot, millet, and tapioca. Those are the only realistic grains for anyone who is gluten sensitive. Note that rice, corn and millet are grains. Millet is mostly used as cattle feed but I've found millet bread in some health foods stores. Potato, arrowroot and tapioca are roots and tubers not grains. Buckwheat is neither a deer nor a grain the same way pineapple is niether a connifer tree nor a red fruit. Buckwheat looks like grain when it's seeds but not that much in the field. Coconut flour? Really? Somebody send recipes! Over time, a food-elimination diet will identify the culprits who have been causing you trouble. (A trained nutritionist can guide you through the process.) If you read Doctor Atkins New Diet Revolution for what it actually says to do rather than just glancing at it for target carb counts, his plan includes a food elimination diet. It's the OWL sequence and the carb ladder list. Remember, gluten is addictive. So for a couple of weeks it will feel like you're giving up the whole world. You may wonder, "What on earth will I eat?" Consider the reactions so many have against Atkins and think about what that says about gluten addiction. Those who bash Atkins are often showing symptoms of addiction without knowing it. It helps me feel sympathy for folks I'd otherwise consider hateful bashers. But in a matter of weeks, the addiction will be gone. You'll be less hungry, and you won't go hungry. You especially won't be having those hunger attacks that make you feel like you're starving. This is the most amazing thing in the world - It becomes easy to stay on. One bite of addictive poison and you're starting from scratch again, though. It's unstable. After a while, as Dr. Rick Peterson says, "It's just the way I eat". It may not seem possible now, but you'll look at cookies and cakes, bagels and donuts, pancakes and muffins, and find yourself thinking: "Yuch. Who needs it?" For me it's "Where's the food? Does anyone have food for humans?" when I see baked goods. It hardly even occurs to me that others can eat that poison without ill effect and when I look for ill effects in the folks who do eat them, it's surprising how often I see some of those ill effects. Conditionally Avoid - Oats Ah. Well past half way down they finally mention it. But please note that you not have to live without baked goods entirely. There are plenty of gluten-free breads and even cookies these days, made from one or more of the "good grains" listed below: Thing is, once I figured out that wheat is a personal poison my attitude changed and I don't miss toxic nasty poisonous un-food baked goods. If I know for sure they are wheat-free I may have them as a treat, but I don't miss them if I never have them. To determine which foods cause you problems, it's a good idea to remove every possible suspect from the diet. Get down to a minimal diet that you know is healthy, and then try new things every three or four days. Give each one 3 days to manifest systems before you decide that it is ok, then either avoid it or add it back to your diet. (This "elimination diet" is best done under the supervision of qualified nutritionist, so you find out everything you should avoid.) So there you have it - That may as well be a quote from the Atkins plan. I guess the good doctor's ghost is my nutritionist. As your intestinal wall regrows, foods that gave you problems before become easily tolerated once again. So every three months or so, you can re-test the foods that are on the not-OK list. That's a lot more aggressive than my experience. After 4 years of constant and active wheat avoidance I found I could get an accidental dose in cream-of-whatever-soup with only minimal ill effects. Now 9 years into avoidance I can have a chicken fried steak and eggs once per year, chew gum constantly for 4 hours to help it through my digestion, and only snore badly for 2 nights afterwards. Because dairy is the last food that will come back to your diet, and because healing takes 6 to 12 months, there's no point in testing dairy products until 6 months after you start the healing process. You might then test it once a month, until you find that it no longer gives you problems. At that point, you'll know that you have fully healed. Dairy is the one large disagreement between Atkins and other elinimation systems. Atkins allows it from the gate. It's a loophole in Atkins. Atkins isn't an allergy reduction diet as I recall. And gluten is a protein which I thought atkins allowed. You really shouldn't paint things as "poison" or "addictive" just because you personally are sensitive to them. And cous cous is pasta. Bulgar is chopped up wheat. |
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On 18 nov, 14:31, "Del Cecchi" wrote:
wrote in message ... I fixed an appointment with a naturopath to help me with my diet. I first want to meet with my family doctor to get all the test reports off him (blood reports, radiographies, etc.) and bring them to the naturopath in case there are things in those reports that he and I should know. I briefly talked with him over the phone today to set up an appointment. I asked him if it is possible that my pot belly is made more of water than fat. I know about "gut leak", but did not want to mention the term yet. I just wanted to test his knowledge. He seemed surprised with my questions and just said, "That's fat. That's fat". Should I call another naturopath? How should I prepare to face the naturopath? THanks. So you think that you have a leak in your intestines that is causing your abdomen to fill with fluid? This "gut leak" stuff sounds like something made up by unscientific people, sort of like the Chiropractors that claim all disease is due to misalignments of spine. Sorry, I am skeptical about the whole concept. del I'm seeing my doctor next week. I read that an ultrasound should tell me if it is water or fat in belly. As he already took one a few months back, I will ask him to analyse the ultrasound report he has. |
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Del Cecchi` wrote:
Atkins isn't an allergy reduction diet as I recall. Then you utterly ignored all of the discussion of food intolerances and the cravings they trigger. Plenty of folks ignore vast portions of the Atkins books and treat his process like all there is to it is counting calories. And then they draw conclusions about Atkins based on ignoring vast portions of the directions. Shrug. And gluten is a protein which I thought atkins allowed. Whole grains are at the last rung of the Atkins carb ladder and thinking that Atkins allows *any* food for *everyone* utterly ignores all of the discussion of food intolerances and the cravings they trigger. Plenty of folks ignore vast portions of the Atkins process and then make conclusions about what's allowed. Doesn't make those conclusions correct. You really shouldn't paint things as "poison" or "addictive" just because you personally are sensitive to them. This is why I call wheat a "personal poison". Sure enough that follows the Atkins system of eliminate and challenge as described in the discussions of food intolerances and the cravings they trigger. Once a food is found to trigger cravings and/or other symptoms it is to be written off and avoided from then on per the directions. As to calling the cravings that result from eating untolerated foods addictive, I stand by the description. I also stand by my statement that folks who haven't had a grain free week in their lives asserting they aren't addicted to grain is naive foolishness based on lack of experimental data. How many are addicted I don't know but anyone who eats grain daily for their entire life is totally unqualified to deny being addicted. And cous cous is pasta. It's wheat pellets about the same size as bulgar. Bulgar is chopped up wheat. It's wheat pellets about the same size as cous cous. Thanks for the distinction on how cous cous and bulgar are manufactured. Both are nearly pure wheat so why the article called them lower in gluten is a mystery. It's so easy to check that it makes other errors that much more glaring. |
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wrote in message ... On 18 nov, 14:31, "Del Cecchi" wrote: wrote in message ... I fixed an appointment with a naturopath to help me with my diet. I first want to meet with my family doctor to get all the test reports off him (blood reports, radiographies, etc.) and bring them to the naturopath in case there are things in those reports that he and I should know. I briefly talked with him over the phone today to set up an appointment. I asked him if it is possible that my pot belly is made more of water than fat. I know about "gut leak", but did not want to mention the term yet. I just wanted to test his knowledge. He seemed surprised with my questions and just said, "That's fat. That's fat". Should I call another naturopath? How should I prepare to face the naturopath? THanks. So you think that you have a leak in your intestines that is causing your abdomen to fill with fluid? This "gut leak" stuff sounds like something made up by unscientific people, sort of like the Chiropractors that claim all disease is due to misalignments of spine. Sorry, I am skeptical about the whole concept. del I'm seeing my doctor next week. I read that an ultrasound should tell me if it is water or fat in belly. As he already took one a few months back, I will ask him to analyse the ultrasound report he has. They claim that it is a literal leak so your abdominal cavity fills with fluid? If so, I would think a trip to the ER was in order. I interpreted it as allowing evil allergens to percolate into the blood stream where they cause classic fluid retention. I'm pretty sure having a bunch of fluid in your abdominal cavity would lead to infection and severe illness in short order. See for example peritonitis. "The more common type of peritonitis, called secondary peritonitis, is caused by the entry of bacteria or enzymes into the peritoneum from the gastrointestinal or biliary tract" del |
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wrote in message ... On 18 nov, 14:31, "Del Cecchi" wrote: wrote in message ... I fixed an appointment with a naturopath to help me with my diet. I first want to meet with my family doctor to get all the test reports off him (blood reports, radiographies, etc.) and bring them to the naturopath in case there are things in those reports that he and I should know. I briefly talked with him over the phone today to set up an appointment. I asked him if it is possible that my pot belly is made more of water than fat. I know about "gut leak", but did not want to mention the term yet. I just wanted to test his knowledge. He seemed surprised with my questions and just said, "That's fat. That's fat". Should I call another naturopath? How should I prepare to face the naturopath? THanks. So you think that you have a leak in your intestines that is causing your abdomen to fill with fluid? This "gut leak" stuff sounds like something made up by unscientific people, sort of like the Chiropractors that claim all disease is due to misalignments of spine. Sorry, I am skeptical about the whole concept. del I'm seeing my doctor next week. I read that an ultrasound should tell me if it is water or fat in belly. As he already took one a few months back, I will ask him to analyse the ultrasound report he has. The condition is called Ascites. http://uimc.discoveryhospital.com/main.php?id=185 |
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