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depression caused by stopping the Zone?
"Moosh" wrote in message ... On 25 Mar 2004 11:52:00 -0800, (heather) posted: What has PMS to do with depression? (I ask this as a non-woman Glad to know you have come to terms with it! Too often the surgery is unsatisfactory. :-} MikeV |
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depression caused by stopping the Zone?
"tcomeau" wrote in message
om... (heather) wrote in message . com... I am a 25-year-old woman. I started the Zone diet at the beginning of December 2003 and followed it for two months. After successfully losing twelve pounds (I was hoping to lose about 10 pounds), I stopped the diet at the beginning of February. Since then I have had horrible PMS for two cycles. I never experienced PMS symptoms (both physical and emotional) to this extent before I went on the diet. I am also wondering if I may be slightly depressed in general. Has anyone else had problems when stopping the Zone? I should note that I am hypothyroid, although my TSH levels have been successfully maintained for the past 5 years. The problem may be in the diet you were on before you went on the zone diet. By that I mean a diet high in refined carbs. The human body needs b vitamins and folate to metabolize sugars and carbs in general. Foods that contain sugars and carbs usually come with these vitamins. Refined carbs don't. When you metabolize these carbs, the body has to get these vitamins from the existing vitamin stores in your body. Eventually you will become depleted of these vitamins. What does this have to do with depression? Tryptophan and niacin are serotonin precursors. They get converted into serotonin in the body. But in the absense of the b vitamins and folate, the body is unable to convert them to serotonin. Thus you become depleted of serotonin. It has been shown that carbs gives you a short burst of serotonin, which may explain the addictions people feel towards refined carbs. It may also explain how the depression is more pronounced when you restrict carbs. Bottom line.... take a good b vitamin complex stress formula. Over a couple of weeks you should feel the difference. Stay on the zone too if you are so inclined. And most importantly, cut out refined carbs. TC Nice info...but a horrible conclusion...if the Zone diet is low in carbohyrdates, she should not stay on it...yes, cut out refined carbs but, no, do not have a diet low in all carbs...as you indicated, this will only make her more depressed. D |
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depression caused by stopping the Zone?
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 01:02:21 -0600, "minerva nine"
posted: "Moosh" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:31:21 -0600, "minerva nine" posted: "Patricia Heil" wrote in message ... I'm not aware that many people here are doing it. What most people here seem to realize is that maintaining proper weight requires a lifelong program of exercise and healthy eating. HahahahahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! !! Is common senseTHAT funny? I'm laughing at the assertion that common sense is regularly dispensed on this newsgroup. Fair enough, that's funny alright |
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depression caused by stopping the Zone?
"Dave Hannes" wrote in message news:cBY9c.34229
snip The problem may be in the diet you were on before you went on the zone diet. By that I mean a diet high in refined carbs. The human body needs b vitamins and folate to metabolize sugars and carbs in general. Foods that contain sugars and carbs usually come with these vitamins. Refined carbs don't. When you metabolize these carbs, the body has to get these vitamins from the existing vitamin stores in your body. Eventually you will become depleted of these vitamins. What does this have to do with depression? Tryptophan and niacin are serotonin precursors. They get converted into serotonin in the body. But in the absense of the b vitamins and folate, the body is unable to convert them to serotonin. Thus you become depleted of serotonin. It has been shown that carbs gives you a short burst of serotonin, which may explain the addictions people feel towards refined carbs. It may also explain how the depression is more pronounced when you restrict carbs. Bottom line.... take a good b vitamin complex stress formula. Over a couple of weeks you should feel the difference. Stay on the zone too if you are so inclined. And most importantly, cut out refined carbs. TC Nice info...but a horrible conclusion...if the Zone diet is low in carbohyrdates, she should not stay on it...yes, cut out refined carbs but, no, do not have a diet low in all carbs...as you indicated, this will only make her more depressed. D No one has ever suggested a diet low in all carbs. No one. Not even the infamous Atkins induction phase. You are making some strange and erroneous assumptions about The Zone and low-carb diets in general. You may want to actually read one of the low-carb books. The basic foundation of a low carb diet is to cut *refined* and high-GI-load carbs. People on low-carb diets usually end up eating more of the unrefined carbs because when you cut the refined and high-GI-load carbs, it leaves you with plenty of unrefined carbs to eat. I've yet to see a low-carb advocate even suggest that you cut good wholefood unrefined carbs. Except for cutting out a few high starch tubers and high-GI fruits. And that still leaves a huge selection of healthy, unrefined, wholefood carbs. TC |
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depression caused by stopping the Zone?
"tcomeau" wrote in message
om... "Dave Hannes" wrote in message news:cBY9c.34229 Bottom line.... take a good b vitamin complex stress formula. Over a couple of weeks you should feel the difference. Stay on the zone too if you are so inclined. And most importantly, cut out refined carbs. TC Nice info...but a horrible conclusion...if the Zone diet is low in carbohyrdates, she should not stay on it...yes, cut out refined carbs but, no, do not have a diet low in all carbs...as you indicated, this will only make her more depressed. D No one has ever suggested a diet low in all carbs. No one. Not even the infamous Atkins induction phase. You are making some strange and erroneous assumptions about The Zone and low-carb diets in general. You may want to actually read one of the low-carb books. Let me clarify...IF the Zone diet is low in carbohydrates AND she is seeing an increase in depressive symptoms since being on it, then she should get away from the diet, at least for breakfast, when carbs are necessary for people with depression. I have no desire to read any low-carb books, as they will do me little good...in my case, carbs help my mood...and I'd rather be happier and overweight than skinny and depressed. The basic foundation of a low carb diet is to cut *refined* and high-GI-load carbs. People on low-carb diets usually end up eating more of the unrefined carbs because when you cut the refined and high-GI-load carbs, it leaves you with plenty of unrefined carbs to eat. I think you are saying that she should stick with starches vs. sugars for her carb fix, which I agree with it. I've yet to see a low-carb advocate even suggest that you cut good wholefood unrefined carbs. Except for cutting out a few high starch tubers and high-GI fruits. And that still leaves a huge selection of healthy, unrefined, wholefood carbs. Okay...my bad. D |
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depression caused by stopping the Zone?
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:31:50 +0000, Dave Hannes wrote:
Let me clarify...IF the Zone diet is low in carbohydrates AND she is seeing an increase in depressive symptoms since being on it, then she should get away from the diet, at least for breakfast, when carbs are necessary for people with depression. I have no desire to read any low-carb books, as they will do me little good...in my case, carbs help my mood...and I'd rather be happier and overweight than skinny and depressed. As a long time follower (not a great word to use since the low-carb thing seems like it's becomming a cult these days) who's done quite a bit of research into the physical effects of the low-carb diet I'd have to say that anyone experiencing negative mood/temperment changes on a low-carb diet is most likely someone that isn't going to benefit from the diet in the first place. Unlike Dr. what'shisname that "invented" the Zone diet (which is nothing more than a slightly modified Atkins diet), Atkins actually did research into the physical and mental effects of the diet. Atkins research clearly identifies three types of people: one set that will greatly benefit from the diet, one set that will be mildly helped (about as much as any other diet), an one set (the majority of people) that won't be helped and may have negative effects from the diet. I fall into the first set of folks and have had nothing but positive experiences with low carbs. My head is never clearer and I feel more stable than usual when I'm avoiding carbs. If it doesn't work for you, you shouldn't do it. -- i.m. The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history. |
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depression caused by stopping the Zone?
Ivan Marsh wrote:
Unlike Dr. what'shisname that "invented" the Zone diet (which is nothing more than a slightly modified Atkins diet) Be nice. Dr Sears certainly did plenty of work to come up with The Zone. it works for enough people to have its fans. Atkins actually did research into the physical and mental effects of the diet. Atkins research clearly identifies three types of people: one set that will greatly benefit from the diet, one set that will be mildly helped (about as much as any other diet), an one set (the majority of people) that won't be helped and may have negative effects from the diet. In his last years, Dr A abandoned that sensible stance. In the 2002 edition of the book he wrotes that Atkins should work for everyone. Right, sure thing doc. I'm a big Atkins fan but not *that* big a fan. No plan works for everyone. Then again, I've seen people fail to lose on Atkins but the only ones I've ever heard of who had anything negative happen were folks who failed to follow the directions. Following the directions for months without losing is frustrating but not harmfull and it's the worst that happens to folks who do follow the directions. |
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depression caused by stopping the Zone?
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:19:53 -0800, Doug Freyburger wrote:
Then again, I've seen people fail to lose on Atkins but the only ones I've ever heard of who had anything negative happen were folks who failed to follow the directions. Following the directions for months without losing is frustrating but not harmfull and it's the worst that happens to folks who do follow the directions. True... most folks seem to think "Just don't eat carbs" is the whole thing. -- i.m. The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history. |
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depression caused by stopping the Zone?
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:35:44 GMT, "Mike V"
posted: "Moosh" wrote in message .. . On 25 Mar 2004 11:52:00 -0800, (heather) posted: What has PMS to do with depression? (I ask this as a non-woman Glad to know you have come to terms with it! Too often the surgery is unsatisfactory. :-} MikeV Yep, I've been happy with it for 60 years.... You? |
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depression caused by stopping the Zone?
"Ivan Marsh" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:19:53 -0800, Doug Freyburger wrote: Then again, I've seen people fail to lose on Atkins but the only ones I've ever heard of who had anything negative happen were folks who failed to follow the directions. Following the directions for months without losing is frustrating but not harmfull and it's the worst that happens to folks who do follow the directions. True... most folks seem to think "Just don't eat carbs" is the whole thing. Actually, all humans have the same metabolic system. With the exception of those with specific metabolic disorders which accounts for less than 5% of the population. Any weight management program that is based on real science and the true function of human metabolism will work for the 95% or so of metabolically normal people. If the low-carb paradigm is correct, it will work in all of the 95% of people who have a normal metabolic system. This jibes well with the bell curve concept to almost the third standard deviation. If the "just don't eat any refined and high-GI carbs" folks are, in fact, correct, then it will apply to the 95% plus. TC |
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