Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet

Alan wrote in message ...
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote on Tue, 18 May 2004
14:03:32 -0400:
Doug Lerner wrote:

No switching is required with the 2PD approach which can be dovetailed
with reduced carbs if you choose.

I've discovered where the two pound diet comes from. The idea was first
put forth in chapter 1 of that hilarious classic, "Three Men in a Boat"
by Jerome K. Jerome, published in 1889:

Another fellow I knew went for a week's voyage round the coast, and,
before they started, the steward came to him to ask whether he would
pay for each meal as he had it, or arrange beforehand for the whole
series.

The steward recommended the latter course, as it would come so much
cheaper. He said they would do him for the whole week at
two-pounds-five.
[Note for youngsters and "foreigners": at the time, the British pound was
subdivided into twenty shillings, and each shilling was divided into
twelve pence.]

The poor passenger, due to the vicissitudes of the weather ended up
consuming rather less than anticipated. Finally ....

'There she goes,' he said, 'there she goes, with *two* *pounds'*
worth of food on board that belongs to me, and that I haven't had.'

This, I believe, later served as the inspiration for the "2 pound diet".

Andrew

Kinda reminiscent of the story of the Later Day Prophet who found
golden tablets on a mountain in his dreams and created a religion
around it. Makes as much sense too.

TC

On Wed, 19 May 2004 06:37:12 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:

I've discovered where the two pound diet comes from. The idea was first

The inspiration for the 2PD approach can be found he

Just as a vote of thanks to the originator, I'd like to say that the 2
pound diet works. My husband lost a significant amount of excess
weight over a 9-month period.

I hadn't realized it had started here with Doctor Chung as I had heard
of it elsewhere on the internet and we decided to try it. As long as
you are consistent (well mostly anyway g) it seems an easier
approach to weight loss than these fad "low this" "no that" or "all
this" type diets. He ate regular food, just a controlled amount of it.

Another thing we had heard was that fat/oil in the intestines will
speed up a feeling of fullness so he eats a small lettuce salad with
olive oil on it about 30 minutes before sitting down to a meal. Then
when he eats the meal he is halfway to feeling "full". Maybe it's a
mindset/placebo thing but it works for us.


--

Kind regards,
Jenny and her tribe of survivors.

On Wed, 19 May 2004 06:36:19 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:
troll droppings snipped

please do not feed the mudungchung troll.

On Wed, 19 May 2004 06:53:19 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

please stop feeding the mudungchung troll

On Tue, 18 May 2004 19:35:08 +0000, Alan
wrote:

Alan why are you encouraging the mudungchung troll to continue
trolling these groups?

On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:18:16 -0700, wrote:

if you heard of it elsewhere on the net, then mudungchung stole it.

the mudungchung is a troll please stop giving it the attention it so
obsessively seeks.

and learn to trim your headers so cross posting doesn't cause problems
for multiple groups who already know the mudungchung's behavior.

In article ,
Alan wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 12:16:50 -0400, Jackie Patti
wrote:

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retained.

The second study showed significantly better glycemic control on low-carb.

Which seems frankly so damned obvious to me that it seems ridiculous to
need a study.

People with impaired carbohydrate metabolism should limit carbs!
Surprise!


Um, Jackie, I totally agree with you. However, from the web-site of the
American Diabetes Association (the emphasis in capitals is mine):

I will top post here.

This is the "establishment" point of view. At this time
there has NOT been a single study showing that a low-fat
diet is any better for anyone, diabetic or not. The amount
of cholesterol in the diet has at most a small effect on
body cholesterol, and the effects of fat is very hazy;
there was a summary article in _Science_ on this, which
pointed out how everything is unclear. Those using
high-fat low-carb diets, in the studies so far, seem to
have an IMPROVED lipid profile. Dietary cholesterol and
fat have a questionable effect, although triglycerides
are certainly elevated shortly after a high fat meal,
as the dietary triglycerides are being processed.

It is true that fiber is associated with carbohydrates; it
is essentially indigestible carbohydrate. But celery has
lots of fiber and little starch, and potatoes have lots of
starch and little fiber. From the nutritional and diabetic
standpoint, potato starch is not far from straight glucose.

These foods have some vitamins, minerals, and fiber; saying
they are "packed" with them is false. Also, highly colored
ones have vitamin A and antioxidants.

http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-an...n/starches.jsp

"The message today: EAT MORE STARCHES! It is healthiest for everyone to
eat more whole grains, beans, and starchy vegetables such as peas, corn,
potatoes and winter squash. Starches are good for you because they have
very little fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol. They are packed with
vitamins, minerals, and fiber. Yes, foods with carbohydrate --
starches, vegetables, fruits, and dairy products -- will raise your
blood glucose more quickly than meats and fats, but they are the
healthiest foods for you. YOUR DOCTOR MAY NEED TO ADJUST YOUR
MEDICATIONS WHEN YOU EAT MORE CARBOHYDRATES. You may need to increase
your activity level or try spacing carbohydrates throughout the day."

As you said:

Blond moments in science...

That is why we need the studies, and lots more of them from reputable
impartial research organisations.

Because, although I'm not american, my mob seem to follow yours when it
comes to dispensing this as the best advice for diabetics.


Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.
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tcomeau wrote:

Alan wrote in message ...
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote on Tue, 18 May 2004
14:03:32 -0400:
Doug Lerner wrote:

No switching is required with the 2PD approach which can be dovetailed
with reduced carbs if you choose.

I've discovered where the two pound diet comes from. The idea was first
put forth in chapter 1 of that hilarious classic, "Three Men in a Boat"
by Jerome K. Jerome, published in 1889:

Another fellow I knew went for a week's voyage round the coast, and,
before they started, the steward came to him to ask whether he would
pay for each meal as he had it, or arrange beforehand for the whole
series.

The steward recommended the latter course, as it would come so much
cheaper. He said they would do him for the whole week at
two-pounds-five.
[Note for youngsters and "foreigners": at the time, the British pound was
subdivided into twenty shillings, and each shilling was divided into
twelve pence.]

The poor passenger, due to the vicissitudes of the weather ended up
consuming rather less than anticipated. Finally ....

'There she goes,' he said, 'there she goes, with *two* *pounds'*
worth of food on board that belongs to me, and that I haven't had.'

This, I believe, later served as the inspiration for the "2 pound diet".

Andrew

Kinda reminiscent of the story of the Later Day Prophet who found
golden tablets on a mountain in his dreams and created a religion
around it. Makes as much sense too.

If you are truly looking for sense, you will find it he

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp


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Andrew

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On Wed, 19 May 2004 06:37:12 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:

I've discovered where the two pound diet comes from. The idea was first

The inspiration for the 2PD approach can be found he

Just as a vote of thanks to the originator, I'd like to say that the 2
pound diet works. My husband lost a significant amount of excess
weight over a 9-month period.


Excellent.


I hadn't realized it had started here with Doctor Chung as I had heard
of it elsewhere on the internet and we decided to try it.

And to think there are those here on Usenet who would claim that the 2PD
approach is not helping folks far and wide.

As long as
you are consistent (well mostly anyway g) it seems an easier
approach to weight loss than these fad "low this" "no that" or "all
this" type diets.

Truth is simple ;-)

He ate regular food, just a controlled amount of it.


Food quantity is the key variable that needs to be addressed for safe permanent
weight loss.


Another thing we had heard was that fat/oil in the intestines will
speed up a feeling of fullness so he eats a small lettuce salad with
olive oil on it about 30 minutes before sitting down to a meal. Then
when he eats the meal he is halfway to feeling "full". Maybe it's a
mindset/placebo thing but it works for us.


It will be easier on him if he realizes that it is ok to not feel full (ie feel
hungry).


--

Kind regards,
Jenny and her tribe of survivors.

Thank you for your truthful comments :-)

May God bless you and yours today and everyday, in Christ's name.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

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Mirek Fidler wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" píse v diskusním
príspevku ...
Mirek Fidler wrote:
I DO need to exercise more though.

That is my problem too...

Mirek

May God make time for you to exercise, in Christ's name.

I will rather relly on myself,

It is unlikely that you can make extra time as God makes each new day.

but thank you

You are welcome :-)

(BTW, more exercise now
means more than one hour of cardio daily).


(Sounds like you really need God's help :-)


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Andrew

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