Back to where I was (and worse)

So, over the past several months or so I've been severely depressed
from several bad and stressful things that have happened to me. As I
often do when I'm depressed, I turned to eating, (probably a bit more
than usual as I was heavily contemplating suicide at several points).

Anyway, been feeling sort of better of late, new meds for depression
and all. Stepped on the scale and, basically, I've gained BACK all
the weight I lost since last February. I was at 422 back then, I
started working out a lot at the rec center, cutting out a lot of
extra fatty snacks, and had managed to drop down to 388. Sadly, if
anyone actually noticed my weight loss, they didn't mention (except my
mom, who helpfull said my belly didn't stick "as far" as it did.)

Anyway, I'm up 428 now, and some of my pants are getting harder to put
on and my ankels have been bothering me on and off.

Sooo.. I'm gonna try start cutting back again, going to the rec center
more. It's like the 100th time I've made myself this promise, so, god
only knows how long I'm going to keep it.

My mom has been mentioning the idea of gastric bypass to me. She said
she's had three different friends do it and they seemed real happy
with the results. In fact, she says if the option was available back
when she was severly overweight (she's been up like 250 pounds I
believe) she would have done it.

Supposedly, if you don't have insurance and you do some paperwork (or
something) you might get it through medicaid, dunno if I ever qualify,
but still...

I don't know.. do I even WANT to do that?

Part of thinks doing that would be a kind of surrender, you know?
Like saying, "Ahh, hell, I give up, let's just have surgery..."

I really believe I could lose all the weight myself if I could just
get this damn, unending depression to go away. Or at least, down to a
low roar.

On the other hand...

Ahhh.. to be thin!

It seems like a distant, unattenable dream.

To able to buy clothes that fit anywhere, to have energy to run around
and do whatever you want. To have girls smile when you say, "Hi" to
them cause you're not a blob of wasted space.

I don't know.. maybe I'm grandizing it, but God, it's such a wonderful
scenerio...

I don't know, just wished I had more a local support group to help me
out when I get down and start to want to binge, someone in my "corner"
who seemed to give a damn about me. I just don't think I can do this
all on my own.

(sigh)

On Feb 28, 9:16 pm, BlueBrooke wrote:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:54:36 GMT, BTM wrote:

So, over the past several months or so I've been severely depressed
from several bad and stressful things that have happened to me. As I
often do when I'm depressed, I turned to eating, (probably a bit more
than usual as I was heavily contemplating suicide at several points).

[snip]

My mom has been mentioning the idea of gastric bypass to me. She said
she's had three different friends do it and they seemed real happy
with the results. In fact, she says if the option was available back
when she was severly overweight (she's been up like 250 pounds I
believe) she would have done it.

Supposedly, if you don't have insurance and you do some paperwork (or
something) you might get it through medicaid, dunno if I ever qualify,
but still...

I don't post here much, mostly lurk -- but I've got to speak up on
this one.

I know what you mean about depression, but gastric bypass surgery is
*serious* business and does *not* solve problems with emotional
eating. If you don't have that under control, surgery isn't going to
fix it.

And I certainly hope this is *not* a procedure Medicaid would pay for.
This is taxpayer money and should be used more wisely. Gastric bypass
surgery, allegedly, forces you to eat less. You can do that by
yourself without spending thousands of taxpayer dollars on surgery. If
you decide you want the surgery and *you* want to pay for it, that's
your choice -- having your neighbors pay for your choice is something
altogether different.

I've noticed lately lapband and gastric bypass surgery commercials are
more and more prevalent. It's advertised as an easy way out and it is
not -- and complications are not rare and can be fatal.

I wish you the best with your depression and truly hope this episode
is over.


Right you are. I do not go to doctors nearly as much as I would if I
had insurance including Medicaid. Instead, when I do go to the doctor,
I get to pay for everyone else. If everyone went to doctors as much as
fully insured people and Medicaid covered people, it would take a lot
more doctors, all willing to work for a lot less. Conversely, if
everyone was as conscientious about health care as I am forced to be,
the govt. could lower taxes a LOT. dkw

I know what you mean about depression, but gastric bypass surgery is
*serious* business and does *not* solve problems with emotional
eating. If you don't have that under control, surgery isn't going to
fix it.

That could be something to consider, yeah.

And I certainly hope this is *not* a procedure Medicaid would pay for.
This is taxpayer money and should be used more wisely.

Obviously, you're not familiar with how taxpayer money in general is
spent. Compared to a lot of the other crap tax payer gets wasted on,
I'd say helping someone get thin isn't worst of cases to back.

Gastric bypass
surgery, allegedly, forces you to eat less. You can do that by
yourself without spending thousands of taxpayer dollars on surgery. If
you decide you want the surgery and *you* want to pay for it, that's
your choice -- having your neighbors pay for your choice is something
altogether different.

Well, I could see your arguement, but at the same time, if I were to
say, I dunno, have a heart attack, require a lengthy hospital stay or
some such, being that I have no insurance my "neighbors" would have to
pay for that as well.

And it doesn't "force" you to eat less, from what I understand it
shrinks your stomach so it TAKES less food to make you feel full.

I've noticed lately lapband and gastric bypass surgery commercials are
more and more prevalent. It's advertised as an easy way out and it is
not -- and complications are not rare and can be fatal.

I wish you the best with your depression and truly hope this episode
is over.

Well, I should have been more specific, I've been struggling with
depression for about as long as I can remember (yes, even as a little
child) so, I doubt it's over, but maybe it's receeded for awhile.

Right you are. I do not go to doctors nearly as much as I would if I
had insurance including Medicaid. Instead, when I do go to the doctor,
I get to pay for everyone else. If everyone went to doctors as much as
fully insured people and Medicaid covered people, it would take a lot
more doctors, all willing to work for a lot less. Conversely, if
everyone was as conscientious about health care as I am forced to be,
the govt. could lower taxes a LOT. dkw

And if no one lied or cheated, the world be a much better place.

But they do and it ain't.

BlueBrooke wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:43:32 GMT, BTM wrote:


I know what you mean about depression, but gastric bypass surgery is
*serious* business and does *not* solve problems with emotional
eating. If you don't have that under control, surgery isn't going to
fix it.

That could be something to consider, yeah.

I should think if your doctor is at all ethical, it should be a
primary consideration in your case.

And I certainly hope this is *not* a procedure Medicaid would pay for.
This is taxpayer money and should be used more wisely.

Obviously, you're not familiar with how taxpayer money in general is
spent. Compared to a lot of the other crap tax payer gets wasted on,
I'd say helping someone get thin isn't worst of cases to back.

I am painfully aware of how taxpayer money in this country is not only
collected but spent. I'm sure there are worse things it could be
spent on, but since the money was taken from the people who earned it,
they should have a say in how it is spent -- but they don't.

Gastric bypass
surgery, allegedly, forces you to eat less. You can do that by
yourself without spending thousands of taxpayer dollars on surgery. If
you decide you want the surgery and *you* want to pay for it, that's
your choice -- having your neighbors pay for your choice is something
altogether different.

Well, I could see your arguement, but at the same time, if I were to
say, I dunno, have a heart attack, require a lengthy hospital stay or
some such, being that I have no insurance my "neighbors" would have to
pay for that as well.

Actually, your neighbors wouldn't necessarily have to pay for that.
Many people go without medical care because they can't pay for it.

Many people do without many things that they can't pay for.

And it doesn't "force" you to eat less, from what I understand it
shrinks your stomach so it TAKES less food to make you feel full.

There are many cases of people who have had this surgery and have
*not* lost weight. It isn't a magic pill. Ask yourself now if you
are really *really* hungry every time you eat. You have already
admitted that you are not. So the fact that it takes less food for
you to feel full will not solve your problem.

It would appear that you need to do quite a bit more research on this
subject if you are going to seriously consider it.

I have heard that a person seeking to undergo the procedure has to go
through a psychological workup to make sure that they have the will to
control their eating after the surgery--those who are just looking for a
quick fix that does not involve any effort on their part are turned down.

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On Feb 28, 9:16 pm, BlueBrooke wrote:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:54:36 GMT, BTM wrote:

So, over the past several months or so I've been severely depressed
from several bad and stressful things that have happened to me. As I
often do when I'm depressed, I turned to eating, (probably a bit more
than usual as I was heavily contemplating suicide at several points).

[snip]

My mom has been mentioning the idea of gastric bypass to me. She said
she's had three different friends do it and they seemed real happy
with the results. In fact, she says if the option was available back
when she was severly overweight (she's been up like 250 pounds I
believe) she would have done it.

Supposedly, if you don't have insurance and you do some paperwork (or
something) you might get it through medicaid, dunno if I ever qualify,
but still...

I don't post here much, mostly lurk -- but I've got to speak up on
this one.

I know what you mean about depression, but gastric bypass surgery is
*serious* business and does *not* solve problems with emotional
eating. If you don't have that under control, surgery isn't going to
fix it.

And I certainly hope this is *not* a procedure Medicaid would pay for.
This is taxpayer money and should be used more wisely. Gastric bypass
surgery, allegedly, forces you to eat less. You can do that by
yourself without spending thousands of taxpayer dollars on surgery. If
you decide you want the surgery and *you* want to pay for it, that's
your choice -- having your neighbors pay for your choice is something
altogether different.

I've noticed lately lapband and gastric bypass surgery commercials are
more and more prevalent. It's advertised as an easy way out and it is
not -- and complications are not rare and can be fatal.

I wish you the best with your depression and truly hope this episode
is over.


Right you are. I do not go to doctors nearly as much as I would if I
had insurance including Medicaid. Instead, when I do go to the doctor,
I get to pay for everyone else. If everyone went to doctors as much as
fully insured people and Medicaid covered people, it would take a lot
more doctors, all willing to work for a lot less. Conversely, if
everyone was as conscientious about health care as I am forced to be,
the govt. could lower taxes a LOT. dkw



As someone who already claimed to defraud numerous parents by deciding that
all children need orthodontia I think that's a bit hypocritical of you.
Maybe if some doctors were more honest in their practices, people wouldn't
believe they need as much treatment as they do.
--
the volleyballchick

On Mar 1, 7:55 am, "Nunya B." wrote:
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On Feb 28, 9:16 pm, BlueBrooke wrote:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:54:36 GMT, BTM wrote:

So, over the past several months or so I've been severely depressed
from several bad and stressful things that have happened to me. As I
often do when I'm depressed, I turned to eating, (probably a bit more
than usual as I was heavily contemplating suicide at several points).

[snip]

My mom has been mentioning the idea of gastric bypass to me. She said
she's had three different friends do it and they seemed real happy
with the results. In fact, she says if the option was available back
when she was severly overweight (she's been up like 250 pounds I
believe) she would have done it.

Supposedly, if you don't have insurance and you do some paperwork (or
something) you might get it through medicaid, dunno if I ever qualify,
but still...

I don't post here much, mostly lurk -- but I've got to speak up on
this one.

I know what you mean about depression, but gastric bypass surgery is
*serious* business and does *not* solve problems with emotional
eating. If you don't have that under control, surgery isn't going to
fix it.

And I certainly hope this is *not* a procedure Medicaid would pay for.
This is taxpayer money and should be used more wisely. Gastric bypass
surgery, allegedly, forces you to eat less. You can do that by
yourself without spending thousands of taxpayer dollars on surgery. If
you decide you want the surgery and *you* want to pay for it, that's
your choice -- having your neighbors pay for your choice is something
altogether different.

I've noticed lately lapband and gastric bypass surgery commercials are
more and more prevalent. It's advertised as an easy way out and it is
not -- and complications are not rare and can be fatal.

I wish you the best with your depression and truly hope this episode
is over.

Right you are. I do not go to doctors nearly as much as I would if I
had insurance including Medicaid. Instead, when I do go to the doctor,
I get to pay for everyone else. If everyone went to doctors as much as
fully insured people and Medicaid covered people, it would take a lot
more doctors, all willing to work for a lot less. Conversely, if
everyone was as conscientious about health care as I am forced to be,
the govt. could lower taxes a LOT. dkw

As someone who already claimed to defraud numerous parents by deciding that
all children need orthodontia I think that's a bit hypocritical of you.
Maybe if some doctors were more honest in their practices, people wouldn't
believe they need as much treatment as they do.
--
the volleyballchick

You have a great memory. I never said I did that, only that it is
routinely done. I never cheated anyone, chick. dkw

I have heard that a person seeking to undergo the procedure has to go
through a psychological workup to make sure that they have the will to
control their eating after the surgery--those who are just looking for a
quick fix that does not involve any effort on their part are turned down.


This is true. I was almost there 3 years ago. I went to the orientation for
the surgery (I've shared that experience before). Each member of the team
spoke about their part starting with the psych eval. You need to be mentally
ready because the surgery is going to turn your life upside down. I believe
if there were any mental issues that they would not do the surgery. The
depression would have to be under control before they would schedule
anything...

You can gain weight with the surgery, I did not realize this. Several people
I have seen that had the surgery gained their weight back by stretching the
pouch out, not exercising, & eating high-caloric foods.

Some I have seen that flourished, they look robust and are energetic. Others
are sallow, grey, losing hair, just generally in bad health. The ones that
flourished took control of that lifestyle change and kept with it. The
others apparently thought it was an end-all be-all cure and did not take
care of themselves like they should.

Every lifestyle journey is different for everyone. I decided the surgery was
not for me. It has taken 3 years, but I have literally become half the man I
was. And I didn't need anything special other than the commitment in my
heart to change and the support of others to keep me motivated.
Alt.support.diet has helped out a lot in keeping me motivated and I am glad
that I can return the favor from time to time.

I don't know the original poster, but I have a feeling they have not come to
the crossroads, that moment in their life where they say, "enough is enough.
I am going to change NO MATTER WHAT!"


Matt V.
510/254/210
(starting weight/current weight/goal weight)

New Mini-Goals!
Mini-Goal #1 - get my morning jog up 4.8mi by 03/31/07
Mini-Goal #2 - 300lbs total lost by 08/31/07

www.iweighedmorethanjared.com

On Mar 1, 10:50 am, "Matty \(I Weighed More Than Jared From Subway\)"
wrote:
I have heard that a person seeking to undergo the procedure has to go
through a psychological workup to make sure that they have the will to
control their eating after the surgery--those who are just looking for a
quick fix that does not involve any effort on their part are turned down.

This is true. I was almost there 3 years ago. I went to the orientation for
the surgery (I've shared that experience before). Each member of the team
spoke about their part starting with the psych eval. You need to be mentally
ready because the surgery is going to turn your life upside down. I believe
if there were any mental issues that they would not do the surgery. The
depression would have to be under control before they would schedule
anything...

You can gain weight with the surgery, I did not realize this. Several people
I have seen that had the surgery gained their weight back by stretching the
pouch out, not exercising, & eating high-caloric foods.

Some I have seen that flourished, they look robust and are energetic. Others
are sallow, grey, losing hair, just generally in bad health. The ones that
flourished took control of that lifestyle change and kept with it. The
others apparently thought it was an end-all be-all cure and did not take
care of themselves like they should.

Every lifestyle journey is different for everyone. I decided the surgery was
not for me. It has taken 3 years, but I have literally become half the man I
was. And I didn't need anything special other than the commitment in my
heart to change and the support of others to keep me motivated.
Alt.support.diet has helped out a lot in keeping me motivated and I am glad
that I can return the favor from time to time.

I don't know the original poster, but I have a feeling they have not come to
the crossroads, that moment in their life where they say, "enough is enough.
I am going to change NO MATTER WHAT!"

Matt V.
510/254/210
(starting weight/current weight/goal weight)

New Mini-Goals!
Mini-Goal #1 - get my morning jog up 4.8mi by 03/31/07
Mini-Goal #2 - 300lbs total lost by 08/31/07

www.iweighedmorethanjared.com

Matt -- TRULY MOST EXCELLENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS!

Keep doing what you're doing! (What are you doing? Low calorie? VLCD?)

Whatever it is, it's working great for you!

Yours,

Caleb

Have you considered antidepressants?