Massage for Fat Loss

In article , Wendy Marsden
wrote:

In misc.fitness.weights Man Over The M_un wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:31:03 GMT, Wendy Marsden wrote:

So maybe you guys don't get when I'm serious and when I'm joking, but
neither do the other people in my life.

That's because you have the sense of humor of an accountant.

Point taken. I guess I'll have to hang out with actuaries if I want to be
taken as a scintillating conversationalist.

Ahh, you do alright.

At the risk of injecting some actual content, I was thinking about the
whole fat/massage connection, and my guess (in advance of any research)
is that this may have originated in the old health clubs of New York,
w/ the alcohol rubdowns, vigorous Swedish massages, steam rooms & such.
Someone says, "hey Joe, you're losin' weight", and Joe says "yeah,
maybe it's the massage & stuff at the club."

And say a struggling therapist, insecure about the way business is
going, trying to play on weakness and vanity in search of a higher
session count, puts the idea in people's heads, hoping it'll catch.

I hope you won't think I'm piling on here, but I just want to make it
pseudo-official. I've been doing massage for more than 30 years, and
teaching it for more than 10, and I have observed nothing in the course
of thousands of massages that indicates or even suggests that such a
link between massage and fat-loss might exist. I don't know your
therapist, of course, but if your area has several MTs at hand, you
might do well to meet a few more, maybe get a session or two. Even
assuming uniformity of training, each therapist is unique. Bringing
training to the table is, among other things, performance art - a kind
of spontaneous dance with the client. In this sense, it's appropriate
to evaluate your therapist as much on the basis of how they fit you as
a partner in that dance as on other criteria.

Not saying that this issue is grounds for dumping your MT...but it's
good policy to be always willing to upgrade the quality of your
professional interactions (there - is *that* lofty enough for ya?).

I understand the wistfulness of your first post on this: it WOULD be
great if it worked that way, wouldn't it? 'Course, it would be great
if getting a massage made us stronger, too!

Hope this ends up being comprehensible (post-surgery meds - wheee!)....

Do a web search on LYPOSSAGE. I know quite a few women who swear by it and
have had good results. I've never tried it because the treatments can be
rather expensive. The local Lypossage Therapist claims that 85% of her
clients are post-lyposuction patients, and they refer many other patients as
well. She has a rapidly growing practice and I've never heard of a
dissatified customer.

I have to also mention that the women I know personally who use this also
eat well, exercise regularly, and basically take good care of themselves.
They weren't women who were overweight and looking for miracle fixes. One
had had a couple of kids, and was trying to lose the belly pouch that
remained even after she lost all the weight. She was thrilled with the
result.

The above comments are only "word of mouth" as I've not done it myself.

Melissa



"Charlie Moody" wrote in message
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In article , Wendy Marsden
wrote:

In misc.fitness.weights Man Over The M_un
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:31:03 GMT, Wendy Marsden wrote:

So maybe you guys don't get when I'm serious and when I'm joking, but
neither do the other people in my life.

That's because you have the sense of humor of an accountant.

Point taken. I guess I'll have to hang out with actuaries if I want to
be
taken as a scintillating conversationalist.

Ahh, you do alright.

At the risk of injecting some actual content, I was thinking about the
whole fat/massage connection, and my guess (in advance of any research)
is that this may have originated in the old health clubs of New York,
w/ the alcohol rubdowns, vigorous Swedish massages, steam rooms & such.
Someone says, "hey Joe, you're losin' weight", and Joe says "yeah,
maybe it's the massage & stuff at the club."

And say a struggling therapist, insecure about the way business is
going, trying to play on weakness and vanity in search of a higher
session count, puts the idea in people's heads, hoping it'll catch.

I hope you won't think I'm piling on here, but I just want to make it
pseudo-official. I've been doing massage for more than 30 years, and
teaching it for more than 10, and I have observed nothing in the course
of thousands of massages that indicates or even suggests that such a
link between massage and fat-loss might exist. I don't know your
therapist, of course, but if your area has several MTs at hand, you
might do well to meet a few more, maybe get a session or two. Even
assuming uniformity of training, each therapist is unique. Bringing
training to the table is, among other things, performance art - a kind
of spontaneous dance with the client. In this sense, it's appropriate
to evaluate your therapist as much on the basis of how they fit you as
a partner in that dance as on other criteria.

Not saying that this issue is grounds for dumping your MT...but it's
good policy to be always willing to upgrade the quality of your
professional interactions (there - is *that* lofty enough for ya?).

I understand the wistfulness of your first post on this: it WOULD be
great if it worked that way, wouldn't it? 'Course, it would be great
if getting a massage made us stronger, too!

Hope this ends up being comprehensible (post-surgery meds - wheee!)....

In misc.fitness.weights Charlie Moody wrote:

Not saying that this issue is grounds for dumping your MT...but it's
good policy to be always willing to upgrade the quality of your
professional interactions (there - is *that* lofty enough for ya?).

I don't recall her exact words, but I didn't get the message that she was
stating that regular massage would MAKE me lose fat. I go to her for
sports massage as a treat for my tired and sore muscles. She knows my
regimen, which includes lifting heavy weights 3x week, doing HIIT cardio
3x a week and eating a Zone-type diet low in refined carbs. She
understands exactly why I'm losing fat and it isn't from lying around.

But her comment made me start thinking about how certain things can aid in
the metabolizing of fat. For example, my metabolism works better now that
I stopped doing the stupid very-low-fat Ornish/MacDougal thing (around
10-15% without any omega-6). I got much better at losing fat when I upped
my dietary fat to around 30% of my calories, mostly from EFAs.

Another thing I was doing wrong was long, slow cardio. You know, the kind
you can do through an entire episode of Friends and then the Drew Carey
Show and never really notice you're still on the treadmill? The "calories
burned" would say something like 400 calories but it wouldn't seem to help
me lose fat. When I started doing really intense 20 minute cardio
workouts 3x a week instead of long endurance things 5x a week I really
started to burn fat.

For years I've heard how awful Ephedra/Ma Huang is, but then I discovered
that taking some Ephedrine HCl with my morning coffee and the quarter
aspirin I already take actually helps me to burn fat preferentially over
muscle while I'm in a calorie deficit mode. It sounded implausible to me,
but evidence suggests it works well for me.

So when she said that getting blood flowing to the fat deposits would help
them to metabolize better (or whatever it was she said) it sounded
plausible enough as a thing to try that might work for me. God knows I
spent a dozen years trying to stop being fat without any success. This
year I've lost over 50 pounds and I did it by throwing out everything I'd
ever heard about diets and starting over from scratch. I feel like I'm
still learning, too.

I understand the wistfulness of your first post on this: it WOULD be
great if it worked that way, wouldn't it? 'Course, it would be great
if getting a massage made us stronger, too!

Yes, there was wistfulness, and that differs from gullibility. Thanks for
distinguishing.

Hope this ends up being comprehensible (post-surgery meds - wheee!)....

Thanks for your input. It was helpful. Good luck on your recovery!

-- Wendy

In article ,
Lyle McDonald wrote:
"Wendy Marsden" wrote in message
...

The masseuse was chatting, commenting on what great muscles I have and
what wonderful thick healthy skin I have (it's shrinking nicely, though
oddly striped) and how free of adhesions I am (whatever those are) and
pointed out that my formerly dense lard that is now loose, jiggly fat has
lots of good circulation and massage helps circulation and circulation is
important for unpacking the fat cells.

My ears perked up. Does this mean that regular massage might help me move
this fat out? Is this the weight-loss gimmick I've been looking for?
(Assume I will continue eating less and exercising more.)

I'm not sure who's dumber: the massage therapist or Wendy.

I don't think the massage therapist is at all dumb.

Think about the expected effect of what she told Wendy, from a
financial point of view.

Seth
--
most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- Lyle

In article ,
Wendy Marsden wrote:

But as for the massage idea, I really was wondering whether body work like
that could aid in the processes that help me metabolize fat and get it out
of my body better. I've been surprised often enough about what IS useful
and surprised just as often by what ISN'T useful that it would be NICE if
something I liked was useful.

It could, indirectly.

If it helps you feel better after a workout, and the result is you do
more/harder/longer workouts (or even just skip fewer because you're
still sore), then it can be helping you to lose weight.

Seth
--
Sometimes we have to forget studies and theories and just lift like a
****er! -- George UK

In article ,
JC Der Koenig wrote:
"Wendy Marsden" wrote in message
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In misc.fitness.weights Man Over The M_un
wrote:

That's because you have the sense of humor of an accountant.
Point taken. I guess I'll have to hang out with actuaries if I want to be
taken as a scintillating conversationalist.

You get 5 bonus points just for knowing what an actuary is.

It's like an accountant except without the sense of humor.

Seth
--
chown -R us /yourbase

In article , Seth Breidbart
wrote:

In article ,
Lyle McDonald wrote:
"Wendy Marsden" wrote in message
...

The masseuse was chatting, commenting on what great muscles I have and
what wonderful thick healthy skin I have (it's shrinking nicely, though
oddly striped) and how free of adhesions I am (whatever those are) and
pointed out that my formerly dense lard that is now loose, jiggly fat has
lots of good circulation and massage helps circulation and circulation is
important for unpacking the fat cells.

My ears perked up. Does this mean that regular massage might help me
move
this fat out? Is this the weight-loss gimmick I've been looking for?
(Assume I will continue eating less and exercising more.)

I'm not sure who's dumber: the massage therapist or Wendy.

I don't think the massage therapist is at all dumb.

Think about the expected effect of what she told Wendy, from a
financial point of view.

Seth

Does "oddly striped" mean stretch marks? I'm having a massage today
because I have a cold in my neck and shoulder and it's very sore, not
very fat.

Carol Frilegh wrote in message ...
In article , Seth Breidbart
wrote:

In article ,
Lyle McDonald wrote:
"Wendy Marsden" wrote in message
...

The masseuse was chatting, commenting on what great muscles I have and
what wonderful thick healthy skin I have (it's shrinking nicely, though
oddly striped) and how free of adhesions I am (whatever those are) and
pointed out that my formerly dense lard that is now loose, jiggly fat has
lots of good circulation and massage helps circulation and circulation is
important for unpacking the fat cells.

My ears perked up. Does this mean that regular massage might help me
move
this fat out? Is this the weight-loss gimmick I've been looking for?
(Assume I will continue eating less and exercising more.)

I'm not sure who's dumber: the massage therapist or Wendy.

I don't think the massage therapist is at all dumb.

Think about the expected effect of what she told Wendy, from a
financial point of view.

Seth

Does "oddly striped" mean stretch marks? I'm having a massage today
because I have a cold in my neck and shoulder and it's very sore, not
very fat.

I would rather mine be evenly striped personally, but that's just me.
btw, that massage therapist talks sweeter than a honeycomb. There are
no gimmicks, just hard work.

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