PCRM's take on mad cow disease

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3802125/

" "This catastrophe might open some eyes to the many problems with
meat-heavy diets," said Amy Joy Lanou, nutrition director for Physicians
Committee for Responsible Medicine, a consumer health group. The group
is offering a "vegetarian starter kit" for suddenly fearful carnivores."

Geeze, they'll take advantage of anything to push their agenda....

Lee

Lee B. wrote:
:: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3802125/
::
:: " "This catastrophe might open some eyes to the many problems with
:: meat-heavy diets," said Amy Joy Lanou, nutrition director for
:: Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, a consumer health
:: group. The group is offering a "vegetarian starter kit" for suddenly
:: fearful carnivores."
::
:: Geeze, they'll take advantage of anything to push their agenda....
::

How far do you think they'll go? You see, if someone really wanted to drive
home the point....it is kinda scary to think about....when you think about
it.

Vegetables are much safer as we all know. Particularly the ones shipped
out of Mexico that is loaded with Hepatitis A that has killed tens of
people and sickened hundreds. She is a moron.

*Please forgive the sarcastic nature of my message. It is not intended
to make light of the people who have died recently to the Hepatitis A
outbreak here in the United States.*


Lee B. wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3802125/

" "This catastrophe might open some eyes to the many problems with
meat-heavy diets," said Amy Joy Lanou, nutrition director for Physicians
Committee for Responsible Medicine, a consumer health group. The group
is offering a "vegetarian starter kit" for suddenly fearful carnivores."

Geeze, they'll take advantage of anything to push their agenda....

Lee

"Lee B." wrote in message
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| " "This catastrophe might open some eyes to the many problems with
| meat-heavy diets," said Amy Joy Lanou, nutrition director for Physicians
| Committee for Responsible Medicine, a consumer health group. The group
| is offering a "vegetarian starter kit" for suddenly fearful carnivores."
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| Geeze, they'll take advantage of anything to push their agenda....
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| Lee

Yes. The mad cow diesease scare is mostly a knee-jerk hysteria anyway --
like the stereotypical cartoon of a woman screaming and standing on a table
when she sees a mouse. Mad cow cannot be contracted from eating "muscle"
meats such as steaks and ribs. You would have to eat the cow's brain or
spinal cord to contract it. Personally, I don't plan on changing anything
whatsoever to accommodate the fear-mongers.

Peter

marengo wrote:
:: "Lee B." wrote in message
:: ...
::: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3802125/
:::
::: " "This catastrophe might open some eyes to the many problems with
::: meat-heavy diets," said Amy Joy Lanou, nutrition director for
::: Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, a consumer health
::: group. The group is offering a "vegetarian starter kit" for
::: suddenly fearful carnivores."
:::
::: Geeze, they'll take advantage of anything to push their agenda....
:::
::: Lee
::
:: Yes. The mad cow diesease scare is mostly a knee-jerk hysteria
:: anyway -- like the stereotypical cartoon of a woman screaming and
:: standing on a table when she sees a mouse. Mad cow cannot be
:: contracted from eating "muscle" meats such as steaks and ribs. You
:: would have to eat the cow's brain or spinal cord to contract it.
:: Personally, I don't plan on changing anything whatsoever to
:: accommodate the fear-mongers.
::

Please explain why you're so confident that MC cannot be contracted from
eating muscle meat? Also, the articles I've read indicate that such things
as hamburger have other part of the cow mixed in.

You could buy your own beef and grind it up for hamburger, that way you will
know what's in it!

Julia

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
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marengo wrote:
:: "Lee B." wrote in message
:: ...
::: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3802125/
:::
::: " "This catastrophe might open some eyes to the many problems with
::: meat-heavy diets," said Amy Joy Lanou, nutrition director for
::: Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, a consumer health
::: group. The group is offering a "vegetarian starter kit" for
::: suddenly fearful carnivores."
:::
::: Geeze, they'll take advantage of anything to push their agenda....
:::
::: Lee
::
:: Yes. The mad cow diesease scare is mostly a knee-jerk hysteria
:: anyway -- like the stereotypical cartoon of a woman screaming and
:: standing on a table when she sees a mouse. Mad cow cannot be
:: contracted from eating "muscle" meats such as steaks and ribs. You
:: would have to eat the cow's brain or spinal cord to contract it.
:: Personally, I don't plan on changing anything whatsoever to
:: accommodate the fear-mongers.
::

Please explain why you're so confident that MC cannot be contracted from
eating muscle meat? Also, the articles I've read indicate that such
things
as hamburger have other part of the cow mixed in.

Mad cow cannot be
:: contracted from eating "muscle" meats such as steaks and ribs. You
:: would have to eat the cow's brain or spinal cord to contract it.
:: Personally, I don't plan on changing anything whatsoever to
:: accommodate the fear-mongers.
::

Please explain why you're so confident that MC cannot be contracted from
eating muscle meat? Also, the articles I've read indicate that such
things
as hamburger have other part of the cow mixed in.

I heard a news report, but haven't seen anything in writing, that stated
that meat close to the spinal cord, such as T-bone steaks may also be a
problem.

"Sue G." wrote in message
...
Mad cow cannot be
:: contracted from eating "muscle" meats such as steaks and ribs. You
:: would have to eat the cow's brain or spinal cord to contract it.
:: Personally, I don't plan on changing anything whatsoever to
:: accommodate the fear-mongers.
::

Please explain why you're so confident that MC cannot be contracted from
eating muscle meat? Also, the articles I've read indicate that such
things
as hamburger have other part of the cow mixed in.

I heard a news report, but haven't seen anything in writing, that stated
that meat close to the spinal cord, such as T-bone steaks may also be a
problem.

This same problem has been seen in deer and elk for 40 years and there are
no confirmed cases yet of anyone getting it from eating elk or venison. The
prudent thing to do is to not to eat the parts of the animal most likely to
have the prions in them. Hunters have known this for years and dispose of
those parts just as a precaution.

"marengo" marengo(at)helink.net writes:

Mad cow cannot be contracted from eating "muscle"
meats such as steaks and ribs. You would have to eat the cow's brain or
spinal cord to contract it.

Sorry, Peter, this time you're wrong.

From UPI, 12/24:

"Infectious prions, thought to be the causative agent
of mad cow and vCJD, are not found in muscle tissue that comprises
hamburgers and steaks, he said. They are generally located in brain
and spinal cord tissue.
However, recent studies have suggested prions may occur, albeit in
smaller numbers, in muscle tissue, and bits of brain and spinal cord
tissue have been detected in hamburger meat."

So your statement that BSE "cannot" be contracted from steaks and ribs is
false. The probability is extremely low, I agree- but not impossible.

I liken it to the old salmonella-in-eggs debate. CAN we contract salmonella
from eggs? Of course. But the likelihood that an egg might contain salmonella
is extremely small – 0.005% (five one-thousandths of one percent). At this
rate, if you’re an average consumer, you might encounter a contaminated egg
once every 84 years.

The fatality rate for salmonella is much less than one percent of those who
might contract it. It is the very young, the very old, and the very
immunocompromised that are at risk for death.

Same for BSE. As of December 1, 2003, a total of 153 cases had been reported
worldwide; of these, 143 cases had occurred in the United Kingdom. The average
annual death rate in the United States has remained relatively stable at about
one case per million population per year.

Until the time when the entire supply of US beef is considered suspect, I plan
on eating the same roasts, ribs, and steaks I always have. I will, though,
probably grind my own hamburger if/when the problem becomes more widespread.
(Easily done even in a food processer if nothing else.) Many people grind their
own already against the risk of e. coli bacteria - and to guard against any
mystery ingredients being thrown in. (G)






Connie
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My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.

http://www.nature.com/nsu/031110/031110-5.html
"Eight of 32 patients who died from CJD had prions in their muscle,
found Adriano Aguzzi and his co-workers at University Hospital Zurich,
Switzerland, who used a sensitive test on autopsy tissue. A different
but overlapping third of the patients carried prions in their spleen."
If people can have the prions in their muscles, why not cows?

http://www.nature.com/nsu/021230/021230-5.html
"Tongue could contain high levels of the prion protein thought to cause
bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) in cattle and variant
Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans, say Richard Bessen and his
colleagues. Prions injected into hamster brains travelled to the tongue
and accumulated to relatively high levels, the team found.

"This doesn't prove that cows with BSE have prion-loaded tongues, or
that eating these tongues could cause human disease, says Bessen, who
works at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska. But guidelines on the
meat allowed into the food-chain should be re-evaluated, he says."

Tongue is a muscle. I can remember my aunt eating tongue, but I always
thought it was gross.

Lee

PS - disclaimer: I don't know anything about this online magazine; looks
credible, but who knows.



Roger Zoul wrote:

Please explain why you're so confident that MC cannot be contracted from
eating muscle meat? Also, the articles I've read indicate that such things
as hamburger have other part of the cow mixed in.