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Old December 6th, 2003, 03:24 AM
John
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Third week on strick induction and have not hit the scale
yet. Before induction I had been at 265lbs for approximately
3 years. During that time, I rarely ate fast food, but on
occasion I would go out to dinner, have deli sandwiches,
bagels, chips, pizza etc. I also exersized a bit. I was
holding my weight by just paying attention to what I was
eating, but none the less, I did eat high card foods I
suppose. If I get down to my goal of 200lbs, what would
happen if I returned to eating like I had been for those 3
years. If I was able to hold my weight with that carb
intake, why can't I hold it at 200 lbs as well. In other
words, if i was not gaining weight at 250 carbs a day, why
would i gain weight at 250 carbs a day when I reach my goal
weight of 200lbs. I understand that my body won't need as
many to maintain, but stories of 50 carbs a day on life
maintenance sounds tough. Hope my question makes sense.
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Old December 6th, 2003, 03:41 AM
Steven C \(Doktersteve\)
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"John" wrote in message
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Third week on strick induction and have not hit the scale
yet. Before induction I had been at 265lbs for approximately
3 years. During that time, I rarely ate fast food,


I just want to point out that on induction I eat at fast food places 3 or 4
times a week of money allows.
Nothing wrong with a 3/4 lb burger from Wendy's (no bun), and large diet
coke IMO, although the caffeine may make some people stall.

but on
occasion I would go out to dinner, have deli sandwiches,
bagels, chips, pizza etc. I also exercised a bit. I was
holding my weight by just paying attention to what I was
eating, but none the less, I did eat high card foods I
suppose.


All of the things you just said you ate, deli sandwiches, bagels, chips, and
pizza are all extremely high carb! and if you drank soda, you can add about
30g of carbs per bottle to your total carb count.

If I get down to my goal of 200lbs, what would
happen if I returned to eating like I had been for those 3
years.


Essentially, you would end up letting your body fall back into the
inefficient way it was working before.
By eating lower carb counts, your body starts to burn its own fat and the
fat and protein in the foods you eat for its fuel (glucose) which is taken
from carbs and transported to your cells by insulin, produced in the
pancreas.
If you were to stop eating carb, your body would enter ketosis, which after
2 days would mean you use up your store of glucose (stored in your liver,
muscles), and would start to break down fat for fuel.

If you started adding in very high carb counts again, as I understand it,
this would happen:
1. Your body starts to break down carbs as usual, and sees to many carbs, so
stores glucose in your liver, muscles
2. Your body keeps seeing carbs, and does not need them now, so it converts
the glucose to fat, and you see flab.
3. Your body eventually over time MAY become inefficient at regulating
insulin when you have carb intake, and if this is the case, you will develop
hyperinsulinism, which means you risk become Type II diabetic, in which case
you need to inject insulin to compensate for your body not being able to
produce it on its own.
The last one can happen if you constantly take in bad carbs and your body
gets so used to seeing carbs, that it shuts down production more or less
after time.

If I was able to hold my weight with that carb
intake, why can't I hold it at 200 lbs as well.


Well, you cannot do it because your metabolism will change, and will speed
up. As your burn excess fat (fat is easier to burn than calories), you will
see fast loss, and by adding carbs to the new speed of your metabolism, you
will hammer your body with something it isn't used to.
You may feel some things such as:
1. Grogginess.
2. Headaches
3. Inability to sleep well.
4. Inability to concentrate
5. Breathlessness after just a little physical exercise.

Also, carbs come in different forms. I eat most of my carbs in green
vegetables, and these are burned much more efficiently than white sugar or
flour.

In other
words, if I was not gaining weight at 250 carbs a day, why
would I gain weight at 250 carbs a day when I reach my goal
weight of 200lbs.


You will find your own Critical Carb level, and stay at that.
Right now, it sounds like your CCL is at 250 carbs, but I imagine that will
change later on, and you will have to add 5g of carbs a day to find it. Some
men are lucky and can get away with 150g of carbs a day before starting to
gain fat weight.
I do understand what you are saying, but you need to understand:

Low carb is a lifestyle, it isn't a band aid you put on to lose weight and
return to eating poorly.
If you try it, you will find that you will love how you feel, and that your
cravings for pizza, cakes, bagels, etc disappear. Trust me!

I understand that my body won't need as
many to maintain, but stories of 50 carbs a day on life
maintenance sounds tough. Hope my question makes sense.


It does make sense, but your CCL will be different, and while 50g of carbs
sounds tough, it isn't. Trust me.


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Old December 6th, 2003, 03:51 AM
Reg
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John wrote:

I understand that my body won't need as
many to maintain, but stories of 50 carbs a day on life
maintenance sounds tough. Hope my question makes sense.


John, your question makes perfect sense. I've answered it for
myself and my own physiology but I'm sure it's different for
others. I sure hope so for their sake, cause my own solution not
seem very encouraging

After reading some of the more experienced people in this
group I've read some real wisdom which confirms my
own hard won experience. The best I've seen is the idea that
for some of us, our maintenance nutritional intake will look
almost exactly like our nutritional intake on the last
day of OWL.

In other words, no, you can't go back to eating the
way you used to when you were maintaining at a much higher
weight. In my case I can eat only a small increment extra,
of the order of 100 - 150 cals per day on average, which is
almost nothing.

Below a certain weight and body fat percentage, it's
almost as if I have to lose weight every day to stay
at a constant maintenance weight. I've come to the conclusion
that the reason for this is genetic in origin and I'm willing
to make the sacrifices necessary to do it.

Maybe it's the old setpoint theory at work, maybe it's something
else, but for me it's a hard and fast reality.

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Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

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Old December 6th, 2003, 05:20 AM
Sarah Fox Jahn
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:41:40 GMT, "Steven C \(Doktersteve\)"
wrote:
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If you started adding in very high carb counts again, as I understand it,
this would happen:
1. Your body starts to break down carbs as usual, and sees to many carbs, so
stores glucose in your liver, muscles
2. Your body keeps seeing carbs, and does not need them now, so it converts
the glucose to fat, and you see flab.
3. Your body eventually over time MAY become inefficient at regulating
insulin when you have carb intake, and if this is the case, you will develop
hyperinsulinism, which means you risk become Type II diabetic, in which case
you need to inject insulin to compensate for your body not being able to
produce it on its own.


This is not correct. Type I diabetics inject because their bodies no
longer produce insulin. Type II, characterized by having insulin
resistance to their *own* insulin, have other options like drugs to
increase their sensitivity to insulin, or drugs to increase their
body's production of insulin. Some, but not the majority, do inject as
a last resort. (The most recent Time Magazine, from December 8th, has
a cover story on diabetes, which I read last night and am referencing
now.)

The last one can happen if you constantly take in bad carbs and your body
gets so used to seeing carbs, that it shuts down production more or less
after time.


Not necessarily shuts down, but becomes less sensitive to the
onslaught of insulin.

If I was able to hold my weight with that carb
intake, why can't I hold it at 200 lbs as well.


Well, you cannot do it because your metabolism will change, and will speed
up. As your burn excess fat (fat is easier to burn than calories), you will


Fat is easier to burn than calories? Huh? ;-)

see fast loss, and by adding carbs to the new speed of your metabolism, you
will hammer your body with something it isn't used to.


Hmmm. It depends on how he goes about it... in a responsible way with
healthy carbs or in a Dunkin' Donuts wipe-out way.

You may feel some things such as:
1. Grogginess.
2. Headaches
3. Inability to sleep well.
4. Inability to concentrate
5. Breathlessness after just a little physical exercise.


Breathlessness? I can see the rest from too many carbs, but not
processing air as well? I'm doubting this. What is your reference?

[snip]

If you try it, you will find that you will love how you feel, and that your
cravings for pizza, cakes, bagels, etc disappear. Trust me!


Totally agreed. :-)
Sarah Jahn
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Old December 6th, 2003, 05:22 AM
Steven C \(Doktersteve\)
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"Sarah Fox Jahn" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:41:40 GMT, "Steven C \(Doktersteve\)"
wrote:
[much snipped]


[SNIP]

Hmmm. It depends on how he goes about it... in a responsible way with
healthy carbs or in a Dunkin' Donuts wipe-out way.

You may feel some things such as:
1. Grogginess.
2. Headaches
3. Inability to sleep well.
4. Inability to concentrate
5. Breathlessness after just a little physical exercise.


Breathlessness? I can see the rest from too many carbs, but not
processing air as well? I'm doubting this. What is your reference?


Yes, as in "i am doing physical activity and now i am huffing and puffing
away for air.".


[snip]

If you try it, you will find that you will love how you feel, and that

your
cravings for pizza, cakes, bagels, etc disappear. Trust me!


Totally agreed. :-)
Sarah Jahn



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Old December 6th, 2003, 05:57 AM
Sarah Fox Jahn
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:22:54 GMT, "Steven C \(Doktersteve\)"
wrote:
You may feel some things such as:
1. Grogginess.
2. Headaches
3. Inability to sleep well.
4. Inability to concentrate
5. Breathlessness after just a little physical exercise.


Breathlessness? I can see the rest from too many carbs, but not
processing air as well? I'm doubting this. What is your reference?


Yes, as in "i am doing physical activity and now i am huffing and puffing
away for air.".


Thanks, but I'm asking why eating carbs would induce breathlessness,
not how to use the meaning of breathlessness in a sentence ;-) I never
heard of this so I'm curious about this side effect....

Sarah Jahn
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Old December 6th, 2003, 11:49 PM
marli
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well john you really need to remember this is a life long choice of changing your diet 50 carbs a day with the right food shopping is farly easy there are so many low carb things out there now
just look into it
i think you would do just fine

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Old December 7th, 2003, 12:36 AM
Sarah Fox Jahn
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Marli,

Could you please set your line length in your posting software to 70
characters? Your text is running way off to the right... making for a
couple of very long-lined posts ;-)

Thanks,
Sarah Jahn
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Old December 7th, 2003, 03:24 AM
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If I get down to my goal of 200lbs, what would
happen if I returned to eating like I had been for those 3
years. If I was able to hold my weight with that carb
intake, why can't I hold it at 200 lbs as well.


Because it takes less calories to sustain a 200lb body than a 265lb body.
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Old December 7th, 2003, 04:11 AM
The Queen of Cans and Jars
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Ripley7173 wrote:

If I get down to my goal of 200lbs, what would
happen if I returned to eating like I had been for those 3
years. If I was able to hold my weight with that carb
intake, why can't I hold it at 200 lbs as well.


Because it takes less calories to sustain a 200lb body than a 265lb body.


english major mode

actually, it takes fewer calories.

/english major mode

 




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