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Old August 7th, 2004, 10:42 AM
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Hi,
If you are interested in reading about my Lap Banding experience -
please visit my site below.

I never thought it would come to surgery - but obesity really does
corrupt your health.

http://lapbandstory.blogspot.com/

Regards,
PJAD
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Old August 8th, 2004, 09:18 AM
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(Heywood Mogroot) wrote in message . com...
(PJAD) wrote in message . com...
Hi,
If you are interested in reading about my Lap Banding experience -
please visit my site below.


At least you chose a fully reversible surgery.

I disagree with this:

"I couldn't come up with a better solution to my Hypertension problem
"

since a lap band isn't going to do anything for you that eating less
and exercising more wouldn't have.

How much did the surgery cost you? Was it painful? How is it affecting
your life now?

"And of course first stop HJ's (Burger King) - Jnr Whopper and half of
the Regular Fries did the trick."

I can see you're well on the way to longterm success.


70kg may seem like a lot to lose, but at 1kg/week that's just a year
and a half. 1kg/week loss is doable for most anyone IMO (especially a
guy your age, sheesh), and it's a lot healthier than the enforced
anorexia of WLS.

Good luck though. Try to eat for nutrional value and not taste. Now
that you've got it you might as well keep it I suppose. Though if I
were you I'd think about NOT getting the damn thing tightened and just
learn how to eat healthy.


Thank you for visiting my site. - I totally respect your advice. And
yes having a burger so soon was pretty silly - but when you are on
liquids and baby food for 6 weeks - you are really hanging out for a
bit of junk.

I do feel that snipenforced anorexia/snip is a bit harsh though.
Anorexia is a serious mental disorder that effects many people who
often don't have any real metabolic problems.

You are dead right when you say exercise would pretty much be the
answer for my hypertension and obesity. But the downward spiral was at
a critical stage. -My lifestyle and occupation did not include the
required exercise to lose any significant pounds.

And yes to everyone reading, WLS is serious. And so is morbid obesity.
My health was degrading quickly and the option of WLS for me was the
answer as I have repeatedly failed at the conventional methods of
controlling my weight.

SNIP
How much did the surgery cost you? Was it painful? How is it affecting
your life now?

/SNIP

I pay $AUS104 a month private health - they paid most of the
procedure.
$AUS1000 in related expenses (tests, consultancy, exercise program
etc)

But my GP believes that when I go below 100kg my BP should be back to
normal and that will save me $75 per month in drugs.

- PJAD
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Old August 8th, 2004, 05:13 PM
Heywood Mogroot
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(PJAD) wrote in message om...
.. - I totally respect your advice. And
yes having a burger so soon was pretty silly - but when you are on
liquids and baby food for 6 weeks - you are really hanging out for a
bit of junk.


yeah, I can see that.

I do feel that snipenforced anorexia/snip is a bit harsh though.
Anorexia is a serious mental disorder that effects many people who
often don't have any real metabolic problems.


What was your metabolic problem? I am very interested in this since I
am trying to understand why people choose WLS over more gradual and
less drastic approaches.

You are dead right when you say exercise would pretty much be the
answer for my hypertension and obesity. But the downward spiral was at
a critical stage. -My lifestyle and occupation did not include the
required exercise to lose any significant pounds.


It's not just exercise. That's less than half of the battle, really.
The central front is what you put in your mouth. WLS addresses this by
basically physically limiting how fast you can eat, plus other
unpleasant side effects for other more radical forms of the surgery.

At my peak I was only ~108kg, so I admit I was nowhere close to the
depths you hit in your downward spiral. But I was on that track and do
understand the dynamics involved.

But for me, just cutting ~1000 kcal/day out of my diet, combined with
several hours/week exercise, enabled me to lose ~20kg over 5 months --
without severe physical discomfort or even significant food denial.
2000 kcal/day is a LOT of food if you choose your foods wisely.

I simply fail to see why this moderate plan would not work for you,
since it is apparent to me now that dieting isn't that big a deal,
really.

And yes to everyone reading, WLS is serious. And so is morbid obesity.
My health was degrading quickly and the option of WLS for me was the
answer as I have repeatedly failed at the conventional methods of
controlling my weight.


I normally don't care what people do with their own bodies, but I do
care when they recommend solutions I think are likely incorrect to
other people.

And I think most people do not need WLS to lose 70kg in under 2 years.
I am interested in how dieting failed you. It is my personal -- and
rather unfounded at the moment -- opinion that trying to lose TOO FAST
is a major cause of yo-yo diet failures.

Slow and steady loss, resulting new real eating and exercise habits,
has worked for me and I fail to see why it wouldn't work for most
people, especially men in their 20's.

But my GP believes that when I go below 100kg my BP should be back to
normal and that will save me $75 per month in drugs.


My weight loss plan costs $0.00, didn't require medical coverage, and
mainly involves eating less, and eating smarter (healthy fats and
smaller meals to keep my stomach happy).

I have an office mate who chose a more radical WLS that nearly killed
him, so this is why I am rather against it -- I think dieting really
isn't that big a deal if you have learned how to do it right.
  #5  
Old August 8th, 2004, 05:13 PM
Heywood Mogroot
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(PJAD) wrote in message om...
.. - I totally respect your advice. And
yes having a burger so soon was pretty silly - but when you are on
liquids and baby food for 6 weeks - you are really hanging out for a
bit of junk.


yeah, I can see that.

I do feel that snipenforced anorexia/snip is a bit harsh though.
Anorexia is a serious mental disorder that effects many people who
often don't have any real metabolic problems.


What was your metabolic problem? I am very interested in this since I
am trying to understand why people choose WLS over more gradual and
less drastic approaches.

You are dead right when you say exercise would pretty much be the
answer for my hypertension and obesity. But the downward spiral was at
a critical stage. -My lifestyle and occupation did not include the
required exercise to lose any significant pounds.


It's not just exercise. That's less than half of the battle, really.
The central front is what you put in your mouth. WLS addresses this by
basically physically limiting how fast you can eat, plus other
unpleasant side effects for other more radical forms of the surgery.

At my peak I was only ~108kg, so I admit I was nowhere close to the
depths you hit in your downward spiral. But I was on that track and do
understand the dynamics involved.

But for me, just cutting ~1000 kcal/day out of my diet, combined with
several hours/week exercise, enabled me to lose ~20kg over 5 months --
without severe physical discomfort or even significant food denial.
2000 kcal/day is a LOT of food if you choose your foods wisely.

I simply fail to see why this moderate plan would not work for you,
since it is apparent to me now that dieting isn't that big a deal,
really.

And yes to everyone reading, WLS is serious. And so is morbid obesity.
My health was degrading quickly and the option of WLS for me was the
answer as I have repeatedly failed at the conventional methods of
controlling my weight.


I normally don't care what people do with their own bodies, but I do
care when they recommend solutions I think are likely incorrect to
other people.

And I think most people do not need WLS to lose 70kg in under 2 years.
I am interested in how dieting failed you. It is my personal -- and
rather unfounded at the moment -- opinion that trying to lose TOO FAST
is a major cause of yo-yo diet failures.

Slow and steady loss, resulting new real eating and exercise habits,
has worked for me and I fail to see why it wouldn't work for most
people, especially men in their 20's.

But my GP believes that when I go below 100kg my BP should be back to
normal and that will save me $75 per month in drugs.


My weight loss plan costs $0.00, didn't require medical coverage, and
mainly involves eating less, and eating smarter (healthy fats and
smaller meals to keep my stomach happy).

I have an office mate who chose a more radical WLS that nearly killed
him, so this is why I am rather against it -- I think dieting really
isn't that big a deal if you have learned how to do it right.
  #6  
Old August 9th, 2004, 03:01 AM
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(Heywood Mogroot) wrote in
om:

(PJAD) wrote in message
om... . - I totally
respect your advice. And
yes having a burger so soon was pretty silly - but when you are on
liquids and baby food for 6 weeks - you are really hanging out for a
bit of junk.


yeah, I can see that.

I do feel that snipenforced anorexia/snip is a bit harsh though.
Anorexia is a serious mental disorder that effects many people who
often don't have any real metabolic problems.


What was your metabolic problem? I am very interested in this since I
am trying to understand why people choose WLS over more gradual and
less drastic approaches.

You are dead right when you say exercise would pretty much be the
answer for my hypertension and obesity. But the downward spiral was
at a critical stage. -My lifestyle and occupation did not include the
required exercise to lose any significant pounds.


It's not just exercise. That's less than half of the battle, really.
The central front is what you put in your mouth. WLS addresses this by
basically physically limiting how fast you can eat, plus other
unpleasant side effects for other more radical forms of the surgery.

At my peak I was only ~108kg, so I admit I was nowhere close to the
depths you hit in your downward spiral. But I was on that track and do
understand the dynamics involved.

But for me, just cutting ~1000 kcal/day out of my diet, combined with
several hours/week exercise, enabled me to lose ~20kg over 5 months --
without severe physical discomfort or even significant food denial.
2000 kcal/day is a LOT of food if you choose your foods wisely.

I simply fail to see why this moderate plan would not work for you,
since it is apparent to me now that dieting isn't that big a deal,
really.

And yes to everyone reading, WLS is serious. And so is morbid
obesity. My health was degrading quickly and the option of WLS for me
was the answer as I have repeatedly failed at the conventional
methods of controlling my weight.


I normally don't care what people do with their own bodies, but I do
care when they recommend solutions I think are likely incorrect to
other people.

And I think most people do not need WLS to lose 70kg in under 2 years.
I am interested in how dieting failed you. It is my personal -- and
rather unfounded at the moment -- opinion that trying to lose TOO FAST
is a major cause of yo-yo diet failures.

Slow and steady loss, resulting new real eating and exercise habits,
has worked for me and I fail to see why it wouldn't work for most
people, especially men in their 20's.

But my GP believes that when I go below 100kg my BP should be back to
normal and that will save me $75 per month in drugs.


My weight loss plan costs $0.00, didn't require medical coverage, and
mainly involves eating less, and eating smarter (healthy fats and
smaller meals to keep my stomach happy).

I have an office mate who chose a more radical WLS that nearly killed
him, so this is why I am rather against it -- I think dieting really
isn't that big a deal if you have learned how to do it right.


Obviously it didn't work for him because he has psychological problems
like most people that much overweight. Sure it's the easy way out but
atleast it's a way out, it's like taking a drug for depression. You could
tell people to try and be happy or you can let them take a drug which
messes with the chemicals in their brain and make them happy. There is
nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with the surgery if you don't see
yourself being able to do it without those aids.

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Old August 9th, 2004, 03:01 AM
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(Heywood Mogroot) wrote in
om:

(PJAD) wrote in message
om... . - I totally
respect your advice. And
yes having a burger so soon was pretty silly - but when you are on
liquids and baby food for 6 weeks - you are really hanging out for a
bit of junk.


yeah, I can see that.

I do feel that snipenforced anorexia/snip is a bit harsh though.
Anorexia is a serious mental disorder that effects many people who
often don't have any real metabolic problems.


What was your metabolic problem? I am very interested in this since I
am trying to understand why people choose WLS over more gradual and
less drastic approaches.

You are dead right when you say exercise would pretty much be the
answer for my hypertension and obesity. But the downward spiral was
at a critical stage. -My lifestyle and occupation did not include the
required exercise to lose any significant pounds.


It's not just exercise. That's less than half of the battle, really.
The central front is what you put in your mouth. WLS addresses this by
basically physically limiting how fast you can eat, plus other
unpleasant side effects for other more radical forms of the surgery.

At my peak I was only ~108kg, so I admit I was nowhere close to the
depths you hit in your downward spiral. But I was on that track and do
understand the dynamics involved.

But for me, just cutting ~1000 kcal/day out of my diet, combined with
several hours/week exercise, enabled me to lose ~20kg over 5 months --
without severe physical discomfort or even significant food denial.
2000 kcal/day is a LOT of food if you choose your foods wisely.

I simply fail to see why this moderate plan would not work for you,
since it is apparent to me now that dieting isn't that big a deal,
really.

And yes to everyone reading, WLS is serious. And so is morbid
obesity. My health was degrading quickly and the option of WLS for me
was the answer as I have repeatedly failed at the conventional
methods of controlling my weight.


I normally don't care what people do with their own bodies, but I do
care when they recommend solutions I think are likely incorrect to
other people.

And I think most people do not need WLS to lose 70kg in under 2 years.
I am interested in how dieting failed you. It is my personal -- and
rather unfounded at the moment -- opinion that trying to lose TOO FAST
is a major cause of yo-yo diet failures.

Slow and steady loss, resulting new real eating and exercise habits,
has worked for me and I fail to see why it wouldn't work for most
people, especially men in their 20's.

But my GP believes that when I go below 100kg my BP should be back to
normal and that will save me $75 per month in drugs.


My weight loss plan costs $0.00, didn't require medical coverage, and
mainly involves eating less, and eating smarter (healthy fats and
smaller meals to keep my stomach happy).

I have an office mate who chose a more radical WLS that nearly killed
him, so this is why I am rather against it -- I think dieting really
isn't that big a deal if you have learned how to do it right.


Obviously it didn't work for him because he has psychological problems
like most people that much overweight. Sure it's the easy way out but
atleast it's a way out, it's like taking a drug for depression. You could
tell people to try and be happy or you can let them take a drug which
messes with the chemicals in their brain and make them happy. There is
nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with the surgery if you don't see
yourself being able to do it without those aids.

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Old August 9th, 2004, 07:13 AM
Heywood Mogroot
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SanitationWorker wrote in message ...
Obviously it didn't work for him because he has psychological problems
like most people that much overweight. Sure it's the easy way out but
atleast it's a way out, it's like taking a drug for depression. You could
tell people to try and be happy or you can let them take a drug which
messes with the chemicals in their brain and make them happy. There is
nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with the surgery if you don't see
yourself being able to do it without those aids.


I agree about the lap band to some extent because it is safer and
fully reversible. But for the $10,000 to $20,000 this surgery costs
one would think we would be able to devise a more cost-effective
weight loss solution. Home-gyms, engineered 2000 kcal/day diets,
personal therapy, some combination of that, something.

RNY and other irreversible WLS approaches are terribly risky, horribly
disfiguring, and permanent quasi-solutions to very temporary problems,
at least for most people. And probably not that cost-effective in the
long run, since they are (mostly) working on symptoms and not root
causes of obesity.

Most anybody committed to losing up to 1%/week of their bodyweight can
do so without undue stress, or serious hunger. I consider most WLS
surgical centers to be one rung below slime on the morality scale.
What a capital waste of our nation's medical resources.
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Old August 9th, 2004, 07:13 AM
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SanitationWorker wrote in message ...
Obviously it didn't work for him because he has psychological problems
like most people that much overweight. Sure it's the easy way out but
atleast it's a way out, it's like taking a drug for depression. You could
tell people to try and be happy or you can let them take a drug which
messes with the chemicals in their brain and make them happy. There is
nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with the surgery if you don't see
yourself being able to do it without those aids.


I agree about the lap band to some extent because it is safer and
fully reversible. But for the $10,000 to $20,000 this surgery costs
one would think we would be able to devise a more cost-effective
weight loss solution. Home-gyms, engineered 2000 kcal/day diets,
personal therapy, some combination of that, something.

RNY and other irreversible WLS approaches are terribly risky, horribly
disfiguring, and permanent quasi-solutions to very temporary problems,
at least for most people. And probably not that cost-effective in the
long run, since they are (mostly) working on symptoms and not root
causes of obesity.

Most anybody committed to losing up to 1%/week of their bodyweight can
do so without undue stress, or serious hunger. I consider most WLS
surgical centers to be one rung below slime on the morality scale.
What a capital waste of our nation's medical resources.
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Old August 9th, 2004, 07:12 PM
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Heywood Mogroot wrote:


Most anybody committed to losing up to 1%/week of their bodyweight can
do so without undue stress, or serious hunger. I consider most WLS
surgical centers to be one rung below slime on the morality scale.
What a capital waste of our nation's medical resources.



This simply isn't true. Were weight loss that easy, there would not be
an obesity problem is this country.


I've been tracking my calories for years and I can assure you that 2000
calories a day will cause me steady weight gain even when doing hard
aerobic exercise (100 to 120 miles a week of cycling).


I've never lost a pound eating more than 1000 calories a day and
experiencing serious hunger.






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