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How Long Can You Stay on Induction - from Atkins website
Just a FYI post, who those curious:
"How long can I stay on Induction? The longer you consume no more than 20 grams of carbs daily, the more body fat you will burn. Depending on how much weight you need to lose, you can safely continue with Induction as long as the following three conditions are met: Your blood chemistries, lipid values, blood pressure or blood sugar levels continue to improve or remain stable and within normal limits. You feel well and are experiencing a high energy level, normal sleep patterns and stable moods. You are not bored. Boredom could lead to cheating and undermine your efforts. However, it is important to understand the entire Atkins Nutritional ApproachTM. The ultimate goal of the program is to advance from the Induction phase through Ongoing Weight Loss and Pre-Maintenance, culminating in Lifetime Maintenance, which should become your permanent way eating. By following these steps, you can find your Critical Carbohydrate Level for Losing (CCLL), also known as your carbohydrate threshold for losing, and ultimately your Critical Carbohydrate Level for Maintenance (CCLM), also known as your carbohydrate threshold for maintaining. Segueing from one phase to another will help you maintain a healthful weight, feel good and decrease your risk factors for chronic diseases such as heart disease, hypertension and diabetes. That being said, if you have a great deal of weight to lose, you can certainly stay on Induction for six months or even more. When you switch to Ongoing Weight Loss, your rate of loss will naturally diminish. On the other hand, if you have a modest weight loss goal, say 20 pounds, and lose the first pounds rapidly, it is important to move through the more liberal phases so you can establish the good eating habits that will become part of your ongoing lifestyle and end yo-yo dieting." From http://atkins.com/helpatkins/newfaq/...Induction.html |
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How Long Can You Stay on Induction - from Atkins website
Sarah Fox Jahn" wrote in message ... Just a FYI post, who those curious: [quoting the Atkins web site] "How long can I stay on Induction? The longer you consume no more than 20 grams of carbs daily, the more body fat you will burn. Depending on how much weight you need to lose, you can safely continue with Induction as long as the following three conditions are met: What utter horse patootie! The amount of body fat you burn has very little to do with how many grams of carbs you eat. If it did, people wouldn't stall out for months while spilling ketones every day. Lowering your carbs below a certain threshold will shift your muscles and organs first into burning ketones, and then, about three weeks later into burning free fatty acids rather than carbs. But if your daily caloric intake is more than you are burning off, you won't lose a pound. Even if you are burning fat, after the first couple weeks most people (especially those who are not young males) will see their weight loss slow down to a pound or two a week at very most no matter how many grams they eat. The huge burst of energy that the Atkins site waxes enthusiatic about will also decrease after a few weeks as the body adapts to a fat-burning regimen and many dieters will find themselves contending with low energy and exhaustion if they don't boost their carbs a bit, especially if they are pursuing an exercise regimen. When you switch to Ongoing Weight Loss, your rate of loss will naturally diminish This too is hogwash. Switching to OWL has nothing to do with the slowing down of weight loss. After 3 weeks on a very low carb diet most people's early, fast weight loss slows way down and after that it's a matter of eating less than your body burns. Partly this is because they've flushed the water out of their tissues, and partly it is because after going through an initial state of confusion, in which it is prone to drop a surprising amount of weight, the body figures out what is going on and stops what it sees as dangerous depletion of famine stores. After this adaptation kicks in, weight loss slows to normal levels which depend almost completely on how much you are eating. The more you weigh, the more you'll tend to lose each week, but the statistics compiled from records of manyreal dieters show that median weight loss is 1 pound a week for people under 200 lbs and less than 2 lbs a week for people who weigh over 300 lbs. http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/dietpage.htm summarizes the data collected on this newsgroup from real dieters over many months. It has always been striking to me that Atkins NEVER published any statistical studies drawn from the many thousands of dieters he supposedly helped, and that all the anedotes in his book described people in the very early stages of the diet. That's probably because while the diet works, for most people it does NOT work in the near magical way his bestsellers would make you believe it does. Long term weight loss is a long, slow, process that requires discipline and hard work no matter what diet you use. The tragedy of the Atkins diet is that with its focus on the first couple weeks of impressive weight loss it raises unrealistic expectations in most of the people who try it. When things slow down after a month or two, most Atkins dieters get disillusioned and many of them quit thinking they've failed when in fact they are getting better than usual results. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes "Sarah Fox Jahn" wrote in message ... Just a FYI post, who those curious: "How long can I stay on Induction? The longer you consume no more than 20 grams of carbs daily, the more body fat you will burn. Depending on how much weight you need to lose, you can safely continue with Induction as long as the following three conditions are met: Your blood chemistries, lipid values, blood pressure or blood sugar levels continue to improve or remain stable and within normal limits. You feel well and are experiencing a high energy level, normal sleep patterns and stable moods. You are not bored. Boredom could lead to cheating and undermine your efforts. However, it is important to understand the entire Atkins Nutritional ApproachTM. The ultimate goal of the program is to advance from the Induction phase through Ongoing Weight Loss and Pre-Maintenance, culminating in Lifetime Maintenance, which should become your permanent way eating. By following these steps, you can find your Critical Carbohydrate Level for Losing (CCLL), also known as your carbohydrate threshold for losing, and ultimately your Critical Carbohydrate Level for Maintenance (CCLM), also known as your carbohydrate threshold for maintaining. Segueing from one phase to another will help you maintain a healthful weight, feel good and decrease your risk factors for chronic diseases such as heart disease, hypertension and diabetes. That being said, if you have a great deal of weight to lose, you can certainly stay on Induction for six months or even more. When you switch to Ongoing Weight Loss, your rate of loss will naturally diminish. On the other hand, if you have a modest weight loss goal, say 20 pounds, and lose the first pounds rapidly, it is important to move through the more liberal phases so you can establish the good eating habits that will become part of your ongoing lifestyle and end yo-yo dieting." From http://atkins.com/helpatkins/newfaq/...Induction.html |
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How Long Can You Stay on Induction - from Atkins website
Wow.
Who ****ed in your punchbowl? So far, when I see people say they have stalled and they actually list what they are eating, I see several items with carbs on their list. Sometimes it seems they have been buying commercial low carb products, which often contain CARBS. Is it possible, that by pushing the diet too religiously, the body may be triggerred into a high efficiency mode. Does the body think you are starving and fight further weight loss? I sure hope Jenny is wrong. Cubit 308/292.5/165 |
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How Long Can You Stay on Induction - from Atkins website
It has always been striking to me that Atkins NEVER published any
statistical studies drawn from the many thousands of dieters he supposedly helped, and that all the anedotes in his book described people in the very early stages of the diet. I didn't notice that "all the anecdotes in his book described people in the very early stages of the diet." And I've read a couple of his books. I can't recall many references to how long people have kept the weight off, but most of them have reached their goals, which would hardly be the "early stages". Including that dangerously stupid doctor who "didn't exercise for fear of the excess weight harming her" when she started out at 5'7" 160. (how or why that was allowed to be published is beyond me) |
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How Long Can You Stay on Induction - from Atkins website
"Jenny" wrote in message ...
Sarah Fox Jahn" wrote in message ... Just a FYI post, who those curious: [quoting the Atkins web site] "How long can I stay on Induction? The longer you consume no more than 20 grams of carbs daily, the more body fat you will burn. Depending on how much weight you need to lose, you can safely continue with Induction as long as the following three conditions are met: What utter horse patootie! The amount of body fat you burn has very little to do with how many grams of carbs you eat. If it did, people wouldn't stall out for months while spilling ketones every day. Lowering your carbs below a certain threshold will shift your muscles and organs first into burning ketones, and then, about three weeks later into burning free fatty acids rather than carbs. But if your daily caloric intake is more than you are burning off, you won't lose a pound. Even if you are burning fat, after the first couple weeks most people (especially those who are not young males) will see their weight loss slow down to a pound or two a week at very most no matter how many grams they eat. The huge burst of energy that the Atkins site waxes enthusiatic about will also decrease after a few weeks as the body adapts to a fat-burning regimen and many dieters will find themselves contending with low energy and exhaustion if they don't boost their carbs a bit, especially if they are pursuing an exercise regimen. When you switch to Ongoing Weight Loss, your rate of loss will naturally diminish This too is hogwash. Switching to OWL has nothing to do with the slowing down of weight loss. After 3 weeks on a very low carb diet most people's early, fast weight loss slows way down and after that it's a matter of eating less than your body burns. You may think this is all hogwash, however I can tell you that for me, it works exactly as Atkins described. Staying close to 20 grams resulted in faster weight loss, not just for a few weeks, but for many months. And my energy level improved during induction and stayed that way. Partly this is because they've flushed the water out of their tissues, and partly it is because after going through an initial state of confusion, in which it is prone to drop a surprising amount of weight, the body figures out what is going on and stops what it sees as dangerous depletion of famine stores. After this adaptation kicks in, weight loss slows to normal levels which depend almost completely on how much you are eating. The more you weigh, the more you'll tend to lose each week, but the statistics compiled from records of manyreal dieters show that median weight loss is 1 pound a week for people under 200 lbs and less than 2 lbs a week for people who weigh over 300 lbs. http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/dietpage.htm summarizes the data collected on this newsgroup from real dieters over many months. It has always been striking to me that Atkins NEVER published any statistical studies drawn from the many thousands of dieters he supposedly helped, and that all the anedotes in his book described people in the very early stages of the diet. That's probably because while the diet works, for most people it does NOT work in the near magical way his bestsellers would make you believe it does. I would say that for me, it's worked exactly as Atkins described. And I've seen plenty of others on here over the months that have reported similar results. BTW, when you're making posts that rely on your personal experinces, and contradicting Atkins recommendations for the general population, don't you think you should tell people that you're a diabetic which can effect most of what your discussing? Long term weight loss is a long, slow, process that requires discipline and hard work no matter what diet you use. The tragedy of the Atkins diet is that with its focus on the first couple weeks of impressive weight loss it raises unrealistic expectations in most of the people who try it. When things slow down after a month or two, most Atkins dieters get disillusioned and many of them quit thinking they've failed when in fact they are getting better than usual results. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes "Sarah Fox Jahn" wrote in message ... Just a FYI post, who those curious: "How long can I stay on Induction? The longer you consume no more than 20 grams of carbs daily, the more body fat you will burn. Depending on how much weight you need to lose, you can safely continue with Induction as long as the following three conditions are met: Your blood chemistries, lipid values, blood pressure or blood sugar levels continue to improve or remain stable and within normal limits. You feel well and are experiencing a high energy level, normal sleep patterns and stable moods. You are not bored. Boredom could lead to cheating and undermine your efforts. However, it is important to understand the entire Atkins Nutritional ApproachTM. The ultimate goal of the program is to advance from the Induction phase through Ongoing Weight Loss and Pre-Maintenance, culminating in Lifetime Maintenance, which should become your permanent way eating. By following these steps, you can find your Critical Carbohydrate Level for Losing (CCLL), also known as your carbohydrate threshold for losing, and ultimately your Critical Carbohydrate Level for Maintenance (CCLM), also known as your carbohydrate threshold for maintaining. Segueing from one phase to another will help you maintain a healthful weight, feel good and decrease your risk factors for chronic diseases such as heart disease, hypertension and diabetes. That being said, if you have a great deal of weight to lose, you can certainly stay on Induction for six months or even more. When you switch to Ongoing Weight Loss, your rate of loss will naturally diminish. On the other hand, if you have a modest weight loss goal, say 20 pounds, and lose the first pounds rapidly, it is important to move through the more liberal phases so you can establish the good eating habits that will become part of your ongoing lifestyle and end yo-yo dieting." From http://atkins.com/helpatkins/newfaq/...Induction.html |
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How Long Can You Stay on Induction - from Atkins website
so Jenny...the Atkins website and theory are mistaken and "patootie"?
Can you tell us how and where you learned that this information is incorrect? Or is the poster just making some assumptions you don't agree with? My Dr.(Paul Cantor) first mentioned the Atkins ideas of eating (and living) in the late 60's after reading some of Atkins' first published articles on the subject..and except for things like Diet Soda, artifical sugars and Deserta coming on and off the market, he (Atkins) seems to have "stayed with what brung him to the dance..." I'd love to hear more from you regarding the errors of this theory... Enlighten us, please... Nancyy Bakker |
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How Long Can You Stay on Induction - from Atkins website
I sure hope Jenny is wrong. Cubit 308/292.5/165 Jenny only knows that back years ago when there were NO low carb junk foods, when you had to mail order Spenda, even, and when aspartame was completely off the list of foods she would eat, she managed to stall out at 150 lbs for years while spilling ketones daily. I'm far from being the only long term poster with the same experience. Eventually several of us have found ways to break the stall. Often they require prescription medicines that lower insulin resistance. For me the other piece of "magic" was lowering my protein intake considerably, because almost 60% of the protein you eat is turned into carb by the liver and in my case this was enough to trigger insulin releases leading to stalled weight loss and very troublesome hypoglyemia. The real mechanism that makes low carbing work is that it makes it very easy to cut your calories way down without noticing it, because it eliminates the blood sugar spikes and insulin spikes that create hunger cravings. Before the advent of low carb junk food, low carbers had to cut out so many of the things we used to eat that we naturally cut down calories too. But once you eat below the level of carbs that causes blood sugar spikes for you, personally, lowering carbs any further doesn't make any difference. For me that level is 12-15 grams per meal which works out in practice to 35 to 60 grams a day You've tamed hunger. Now, if you really want to keep at this for years and years you need to figure out how to "eat smart" which means low carb vegetables, fiber, and enough variety to keep you from burning out. And you have to find the calorie level at which you'll lose too, which, does seem to be somewhere between 8 and 12 times current body weight, depending on how hard your body fights back. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes "Cubit" wrote in message m... Wow. Who ****ed in your punchbowl? So far, when I see people say they have stalled and they actually list what they are eating, I see several items with carbs on their list. Sometimes it seems they have been buying commercial low carb products, which often contain CARBS. Is it possible, that by pushing the diet too religiously, the body may be triggerred into a high efficiency mode. Does the body think you are starving and fight further weight loss? I sure hope Jenny is wrong. Cubit 308/292.5/165 |
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