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Old November 25th, 2008, 06:24 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,alt.support.eating-disord
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On Nov 25, 9:03*am, "Tanel Kagan" [email protected]
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Yes, there are some people that will say "oh but you need more calories in
the morning", and others will say "you shouldn't eat after such and such
hour", but I think they're missing the point.


I agree with you on most of your post, but there is a notable
exception here. Anybody with diabetes or at risk for diabetes should
take their blood sugar into account.

I would say the most important thing is to NOT change the structure of
your eating. Just change WHAT you eat and HOW MUCH you eat.

But at the end of the day, thermodynamics wins. You just can't
support excess weight if you choke the body's energy supply.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 08:51 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,alt.support.eating-disord
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"Tanel Kagan" wrote in message
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"Info" wrote in message
.. .
If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.

I weigh 184 and am 5'7". I need to lose twenty pounds and I cannot
exercise because I'm in a wheelchair.

What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste
buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories?

I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I
drink four or five glasses of water a day, some decaf tea and two
Metamucil cocktails. I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into
some 90 calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners. I hardly ever
use salt. Sometime I have half a sub from Subway. A dietician said that
is OK.

I stopped chocolate and ice cream months ago. Fat free pudding and fruit
are my dessert, if I have any.

Do you eat soy burgers or other soy products? I can make them taste
good, if I add a little low-cal salsa or other spicy stuff.

Ideas welcome. Thanks


Hi there,

Let me try and break this down.

I've been on the "Special K diet" for about 6-7 weeks. Thing is, I don't
really like to call it a "diet" as such, because I do eat a bowl for
breakfast and a bowl for lunch, with basically whatever I want in the
evening, but I guess millions and millions of people eat cornflakes in the
morning anyway so are they all "dieting" in one sense of the word?

In those 6-7 weeks I've lost 6-7 kilos, or about 13-15 lbs. In other
words, about a kilo or 2lbs a week. I'm 6'1" and weighed 113 kg (248
lbs), now I weigh about 106kg (233 lbs).


Congratulations

First of all, you say you need to lose 20 lbs, but how quickly are you
proposing to do it? If you aim to lose 20 lbs in about 8-10 weeks, then I
think that's quite feasible and won't do you any harm. On the other hand,
if you're trying to lose 20 lbs in 4 weeks, then not only are you going to
find it difficult, but you'll probably be restricting your body's
nutritional intake to an extent that isn't healthy.


I'll be happy with losing for 20 pounds in 15 weeks. I need to do this
slowly because I'm in a wheelchair.
Exercise is not an option and I take a lot of drugs that cause fatigue.

I started by looking at the recommended average daily calorie intake for a
man. It's supposed to be 2,500 for men and 2,000 for women.

I then said to myself "ok, factor in your exercise level and job". I have
an office job, and exercise is something I get around to once every few
weeks. So I figured that if 2,500 is the average, I probably needed to
reduce the "baseline" a bit. So I set my "baseline" at 2,000 calories a
day. I think this is an important step because if you don't exercise and
don't have a manual job that requires energy, and you're still looking at
2,500 as the minimum, then you won't really see results. On the other
hand, if you're a lumberjack by trade and finish it off with a game of
squash at the gym, then your basic requirement is going to be somewhat
higher.


I'm disabled and use a walker indoors and will need an electric wheelchair
indoors soon.


Of course, that figure is the basic number of calories that you are
supposed to consume to be at a stable level. If you're looking to lose
weight, then your target has to be a bit lower than that. So I said to
myself that I'd aim for 1,500 to 1,750 calories a day.

I'm aiming for 1,200 to 1,500.

Now some people will be quick to say "oh calorie counting doesn't work".
Well it doesn't work for many people simply because a) they don't have the
discipline to follow it and b) it's not always obvious how many calories
they're consuming.

In my opinion, calorie counting *has* to work. When you strip away
everything else, you're left with a basic, fundamental principle, that
what goes in minus what goes out equals what's left. Of course, different
people's respond differently to different things, but ultimately if you're
expending a certain amount of energy which is greater than the amount of
chemical energy contained in the food you eat, then your body will look to
burn its own fat reserves to make up the deficit, rather than the opposite
scenario when you consume more than you expend such that the body stores
the additional chemical energy as fat.


I agree with the calorie counting. I didn't know enough about the calorie
count of various stuff until I started this dieting.

My wife fixes food at Dinners Ready, http://www.dinnersready.com/Main.aspx,
and we're turning their 6 serving meals into 8 serving leals to cut down on
the calories.


I suppose I'm fortunate in that I've never had an addiction to sweet food
and chocolate. I enjoy them, yes, but I can go for ages without them and
not miss them. Rather, my weakness is to takeaway food so part of the
plan was to cut that down. By implication, cutting down on these foods
reduced my calorie intake, since most are very high in calories, but the
key point was that nothing is off-limits.

The cereal in the morning is about 250 calories, same again at lunch.
Sometimes I'll actually substitute the lunchtime bowl with some fruit,
also does the trick. This way, if I've used up about 500 calories, I can
enjoy a nice meal with 1,250-1,500 calories in the evening.


Same here with my bran cereal with non-fat milk or light fruited yogurt.

I'll have an apple in the AM and a sandwich or bean burrito for lunch.

Yes, there are some people that will say "oh but you need more calories in
the morning", and others will say "you shouldn't eat after such and such
hour", but I think they're missing the point.


I'm at my strongest in the evening because I have sleep apnea and just don't
get
good enough sleep at night. I need to nap during the day. After that nap.
I'm recharged.
I'll hit the bed in a little while. Sometimes I take two and I need to get
back to that.
I try to go out in the evening once a week to ToastMasters

Since I do nothing during the day I really don't need that much. I watch
TV, dink on the computer and, once a week, I go the movies. My movie
reviews are he http://doggiewoofus.blogspot.com/ Please feel free to read
and post movie stuff there


The point is that we are not trying to fine tune our bodies to the degree
that an olympic athlete requires, only eating foods from a prescribed list
and at certain times of day. What we are trying to do (at least what I
was trying to do) was to begin to invoke a general trend in my eating
habits, resulting in a gradual weight loss. What many people tend to do
is hit the spring, fresh from the excesses of Christmas/New Year and start
thinking "oh I need to get that bikini body" (I don't wear one myself...)
or something like that, and then try to achieve the impossible in a short
space of time.


I'm not the bikini type, either. One Y chromosome.




  #23  
Old December 8th, 2008, 11:19 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,alt.support.eating-disord
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"Info" wrote in message
.. .
If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.

I weigh 184 and am 5'7". I need to lose twenty pounds and I cannot
exercise because I'm in a wheelchair.

What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste
buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories?

I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I
drink four or five glasses of water a day, some decaf tea and two
Metamucil cocktails. I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into
some 90 calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners. I hardly ever
use salt. Sometime I have half a sub from Subway. A dietician said that
is OK.

I stopped chocolate and ice cream months ago. Fat free pudding and fruit
are my dessert, if I have any.

Do you eat soy burgers or other soy products? I can make them taste good,
if I add a little low-cal salsa or other spicy stuff.

Ideas welcome. Thanks


I weighed in at 184 on Nov 24 at the hospital I went to for an out-patient
visit. I went to the local office of my HMO today and clocked 179. Five
pounds in two weeks is too much. I need to up the calorie intake a bit.
I'll increase the morning bran cereal breakfast. The extra fiber will also
help.


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Old December 9th, 2008, 12:21 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,alt.support.eating-disord
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"Info" wrote in message
...

"Info" wrote in message
.. .
If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.

I weigh 184 and am 5'7". I need to lose twenty pounds and I cannot
exercise because I'm in a wheelchair.

What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste
buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories?

I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I
drink four or five glasses of water a day, some decaf tea and two
Metamucil cocktails. I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into
some 90 calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners. I hardly ever
use salt. Sometime I have half a sub from Subway. A dietician said that
is OK.

I stopped chocolate and ice cream months ago. Fat free pudding and fruit
are my dessert, if I have any.

Do you eat soy burgers or other soy products? I can make them taste
good, if I add a little low-cal salsa or other spicy stuff.

Ideas welcome. Thanks


I weighed in at 184 on Nov 24 at the hospital I went to for an out-patient
visit. I went to the local office of my HMO today and clocked 179. Five
pounds in two weeks is too much. I need to up the calorie intake a bit.
I'll increase the morning bran cereal breakfast. The extra fiber will
also help.


If you just started this program, it is normal to have larger losses the
first week or two. The body dumps a lot of excess water at first when you
switch to healthier food. If it continues at a high rate for several weeks,
then it would be time to increase the calorie intake.


  #25  
Old December 9th, 2008, 02:44 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"Info" wrote in message
...

"Info" wrote in message
.. .
If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.

I weigh 184 and am 5'7". I need to lose twenty pounds and I cannot
exercise because I'm in a wheelchair.

What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste
buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories?

I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I
drink four or five glasses of water a day, some decaf tea and two
Metamucil cocktails. I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into
some 90 calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners. I hardly ever
use salt. Sometime I have half a sub from Subway. A dietician said that
is OK.

I stopped chocolate and ice cream months ago. Fat free pudding and
fruit are my dessert, if I have any.

Do you eat soy burgers or other soy products? I can make them taste
good, if I add a little low-cal salsa or other spicy stuff.

Ideas welcome. Thanks


I weighed in at 184 on Nov 24 at the hospital I went to for an
out-patient visit. I went to the local office of my HMO today and
clocked 179. Five pounds in two weeks is too much. I need to up the
calorie intake a bit. I'll increase the morning bran cereal breakfast.
The extra fiber will also help.


If you just started this program, it is normal to have larger losses the
first week or two. The body dumps a lot of excess water at first when you
switch to healthier food. If it continues at a high rate for several
weeks, then it would be time to increase the calorie intake.


Hey, thanks. I hadn't considered that, but I will up the bran cereal a
little. There are hardly any caloies in it and I do need the fiber. I've
cut back on portion sizes elsewhere and will leave them at their reduced
level. I'll see you in two weeks after the next weight check. Thanks
again.



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Old December 10th, 2008, 08:00 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,alt.support.eating-disord
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On Nov 16, 6:34*pm, "Info" wrote:
If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.

I weigh 184 and am 5'7". *I need to lose twenty pounds and I cannot exercise
because I'm in a wheelchair.

What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste
buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories?

I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I
drink four or five glasses of water *a day, some decaf tea and two Metamucil
cocktails. *I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into some 90
calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners. *I hardly ever use salt.

  #27  
Old December 10th, 2008, 09:21 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-calorie,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers,alt.support.eating-disord
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On Nov 16, 1:34*am, "Info" wrote:
If this is a duplicate, please accept my apologies.

I weigh 184 and am 5'7". *I need to lose twenty pounds and I cannot exercise
because I'm in a wheelchair.

What is your daily calorie intake and what do you eat to keep your taste
buds interested when you've cut back on food or calories?

I eat All Bran with skim milk in the AM and at least two apples a day. I
drink four or five glasses of water *a day, some decaf tea and two Metamucil
cocktails. *I also take several B-Complex vitamins. I ran into some 90
calorie "garden burgers" and 230 frozen dinners. *I hardly ever use salt.

 




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