Delema

I am posting this here instead of alt.support.diabetes because quite
frankly everyone here does a much better job of staying on topic.
There is way to much debate over one train of thought vs. another for
my tastes, especially since my experience has shown that most answers
are usually very simple.

I am a T2 diabetic as well as overweight. (Chicken or egg debate is not
importtant here)
I have been trying to watch my fat content; as a result I find myself
eating more carbs (especially in the AM) then what the ADA recommends
(I think) ... and when I do that my BG (Blood Glucose) levels spike
i.e. 150 - 180. After 2 hours, it comes back down to nomal (relative
term) during the day.

But not always, sometimes it, really, really drops. The other day went
from 169 to 60 in 45 minutes. Clearly a dangerous situation. My Dr
reduced my meds Avandia 8mg to 4 mg. in an effort to help me stablize.

I have a feeling I am missing something here when it comes to WW (flex)
program.

Any thoughts?

Plus...
Next week 6-24 through 7-2 I will be camping in the heat at Mt Union,
PA. www.creationfest.com where I will be assisting in radio
comunications as well as doing back stage secuity (all volunteer)

I am a little fearful of my BG levels and eating in general. I am
concerned that if I stay OP I will bottom out unless I eat what I want
and not what I need.

Ralph

Did you talk about this to your doctor?

Are you getting in you Good health guidelines?

It's beyond my knowledge really, I'd say talk to your doctor, but other
diabetic might be able to give you tips and ideas.

You might want to go for healthy fats a little more, and cut the overly
processed "low fat" stuff... those can be misleading..
Will~

"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
ps.com...
I am posting this here instead of alt.support.diabetes because quite
frankly everyone here does a much better job of staying on topic.
There is way to much debate over one train of thought vs. another for
my tastes, especially since my experience has shown that most answers
are usually very simple.

I am a T2 diabetic as well as overweight. (Chicken or egg debate is not
importtant here)
I have been trying to watch my fat content; as a result I find myself
eating more carbs (especially in the AM) then what the ADA recommends
(I think) ... and when I do that my BG (Blood Glucose) levels spike
i.e. 150 - 180. After 2 hours, it comes back down to nomal (relative
term) during the day.

But not always, sometimes it, really, really drops. The other day went
from 169 to 60 in 45 minutes. Clearly a dangerous situation. My Dr
reduced my meds Avandia 8mg to 4 mg. in an effort to help me stablize.

I have a feeling I am missing something here when it comes to WW (flex)
program.

Any thoughts?

Plus...
Next week 6-24 through 7-2 I will be camping in the heat at Mt Union,
PA. www.creationfest.com where I will be assisting in radio
comunications as well as doing back stage secuity (all volunteer)

I am a little fearful of my BG levels and eating in general. I am
concerned that if I stay OP I will bottom out unless I eat what I want
and not what I need.

Ralph

Willow Herself wrote:
Did you talk about this to your doctor?
Yes, as I said he cut my meds. As odd as this might seem, most Drs are
very helpful in this area. Willow, I swear My Drs respose was
something along the lines is once you get your weight under control
we'll talk. (The chicken/egg thingy)

Are you getting in you Good health guidelines?

Nope! Thanks..


It's beyond my knowledge really, I'd say talk to your doctor, but other
diabetic might be able to give you tips and ideas.

I agree and I know there are a few here, Eddie for one that I know for
sure.

You might want to go for healthy fats a little more, and cut the overly
processed "low fat" stuff... those can be misleading..

Could you explain?

Ralph

As a type 2 diabetic myself I had the best numbers while on Adkins...And in
fact I did lose weight...My doctor even told me that although he felt Adkins
was not a healthy plan it was good considering my issues...I now realize
that Adkins like many diets is just not something you can live with...I now
take no meds for my diabetes and in fact appear to be in remission for
now...My numbers remain at normal levels...I attribute this to my on-going
weight loss and a revved up workout program...WW is something I can use the
rest of my life...I do core and enjoy once again eating oatmeal and other
complex carbs which were a no no with my diabetes as well as with Adkins...I
do avoid bread which fits with core but do often have wild rice and in fact
use many types of whole grains...I know not everyone will have these same
results but for me it is a small miracle...I hope soon to reduce my blood
pressure meds as well...Not sure if I have expressed anything of importance
but I think you will be surprised as you continue to lose...I wish you the
best of luck...GG
"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
ps.com...
I am posting this here instead of alt.support.diabetes because quite
frankly everyone here does a much better job of staying on topic.
There is way to much debate over one train of thought vs. another for
my tastes, especially since my experience has shown that most answers
are usually very simple.

I am a T2 diabetic as well as overweight. (Chicken or egg debate is not
importtant here)
I have been trying to watch my fat content; as a result I find myself
eating more carbs (especially in the AM) then what the ADA recommends
(I think) ... and when I do that my BG (Blood Glucose) levels spike
i.e. 150 - 180. After 2 hours, it comes back down to nomal (relative
term) during the day.

But not always, sometimes it, really, really drops. The other day went
from 169 to 60 in 45 minutes. Clearly a dangerous situation. My Dr
reduced my meds Avandia 8mg to 4 mg. in an effort to help me stablize.

I have a feeling I am missing something here when it comes to WW (flex)
program.

Any thoughts?

Plus...
Next week 6-24 through 7-2 I will be camping in the heat at Mt Union,
PA. www.creationfest.com where I will be assisting in radio
comunications as well as doing back stage secuity (all volunteer)

I am a little fearful of my BG levels and eating in general. I am
concerned that if I stay OP I will bottom out unless I eat what I want
and not what I need.

Ralph

On 15 Jun 2006 08:29:54 -0700, "Uncle Bonzi"
wrote:

I have a feeling I am missing something here when it comes to WW (flex)
program.

I'm also a type II diabetic. My BG readings were constantly between
150 and 180. Since starting the flex diet I've lost 20# and my BG is
now staying in the mid 80's.
--
RichardS

A lot of the "FAT FREE!!!!!!" product are loaded with sugar, or sugar
substitute to make up for the lack of "taste" that comes from taking out all
fats... that's one reason. It's not because it's fat free, or low fat that
it's healthy. It has become one of the biggest marketing ploy in America...

When the whole cholesterol is evil thing began, Ruffles chips started
selling like crazy cause they said "NO CHOLESTEROL" on them.. they never had
any, they are made with veggie oil... they weren't any better for you cause
they were no cholesterol..

The other side of it is that cutting out the unhealthy fat isn't a bad idea
(no kidding) but you need healthy fats, for your health and to be able to
feel satisfied with what you eat. Not enough fats means that you'll be
hungry all the time..

WW recomment 2 tsp a day.. minimum.. olive canola saflower sunflower
flaxseed oils..

Bottom line is, the less process the better, moderation in all things, and
some of the RIGHT FATS...

It's always a matter of balance..
Will~

"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
ups.com...

Willow Herself wrote:
Did you talk about this to your doctor?
Yes, as I said he cut my meds. As odd as this might seem, most Drs are
very helpful in this area. Willow, I swear My Drs respose was
something along the lines is once you get your weight under control
we'll talk. (The chicken/egg thingy)

Are you getting in you Good health guidelines?

Nope! Thanks..


It's beyond my knowledge really, I'd say talk to your doctor, but other
diabetic might be able to give you tips and ideas.

I agree and I know there are a few here, Eddie for one that I know for
sure.

You might want to go for healthy fats a little more, and cut the overly
processed "low fat" stuff... those can be misleading..

Could you explain?

Ralph

I wanted to mention also, do look at the good health guidelines, what they
are and follow them...

you can lose weight eating junk.. but how healthy will you be ;o)
Will`

"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
ups.com...

Willow Herself wrote:
Did you talk about this to your doctor?
Yes, as I said he cut my meds. As odd as this might seem, most Drs are
very helpful in this area. Willow, I swear My Drs respose was
something along the lines is once you get your weight under control
we'll talk. (The chicken/egg thingy)

Are you getting in you Good health guidelines?

Nope! Thanks..


It's beyond my knowledge really, I'd say talk to your doctor, but other
diabetic might be able to give you tips and ideas.

I agree and I know there are a few here, Eddie for one that I know for
sure.

You might want to go for healthy fats a little more, and cut the overly
processed "low fat" stuff... those can be misleading..

Could you explain?

Ralph

Ralph, I've been through this and you really should consider my
suggestions.

You can find out lots of easy to read information at www.diabetic-talk.org ?

Here is a link THAT I INSIST THAT YOU SHOULD - it will clear things up for
you Ralph and it's easy reading to follow!!!
http://www.diabetic-talk.org/jennifer.htm

Now, one thing you must understand about diabetes is that controlling it all
has all to do with determining the amount of carbs your body can handle
without spiking your BG. Jennifer's message will explain to you how to
determine this!

You need to understand that the higher you spike your BG (due to eating too
many CARBS) the harder you will fall 2 hours later!! This rollercoaster
ride is not good for you and it will also cause you much tiredness as well.
I used to fall asleep and not even know why!

FLEX and CORE are good plans, but you need to balance you intake of carbs.
Most people, like myself, can handle more carbs later in the day than first
thing in the morning.

Another way to control your BG and allow yourself to eat more CARBS is to
exercise immediately after eating. The exercise will decrease the rising of
your BG - vigorous exercise is the most helpful, but walking for approx. 30
minutes will also yield results too!

Lastly, building muscle will also help you. I know it's difficult for some,
but building muscle and moderate exercise helps with insulin resistance.

I've been controlling now for 3 years and joining ASD and reading Jennifer's
message was the best thing I have ever done to help myself. Don't rely on
your doctor to help you. Take his advice, but most certainly try to get an
understanding of the situation and you will be happy once you've taken
control of your situation.

You're quality of life depends on it. The problem with diabetes is the
complications. Blindness, kidney disease, dialysis, amputation, boils,
heart disease, stroke.............take control Ralph - it's easier than you
think if you just try.

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
ps.com...
I am posting this here instead of alt.support.diabetes because quite
frankly everyone here does a much better job of staying on topic.
There is way to much debate over one train of thought vs. another for
my tastes, especially since my experience has shown that most answers
are usually very simple.

I am a T2 diabetic as well as overweight. (Chicken or egg debate is not
importtant here)
I have been trying to watch my fat content; as a result I find myself
eating more carbs (especially in the AM) then what the ADA recommends
(I think) ... and when I do that my BG (Blood Glucose) levels spike
i.e. 150 - 180. After 2 hours, it comes back down to nomal (relative
term) during the day.

But not always, sometimes it, really, really drops. The other day went
from 169 to 60 in 45 minutes. Clearly a dangerous situation. My Dr
reduced my meds Avandia 8mg to 4 mg. in an effort to help me stablize.

I have a feeling I am missing something here when it comes to WW (flex)
program.

Any thoughts?

Plus...
Next week 6-24 through 7-2 I will be camping in the heat at Mt Union,
PA. www.creationfest.com where I will be assisting in radio
comunications as well as doing back stage secuity (all volunteer)

I am a little fearful of my BG levels and eating in general. I am
concerned that if I stay OP I will bottom out unless I eat what I want
and not what I need.

Ralph

Bonzi, I am a nurse. My daughter is a T2. I have a special interest.
That said, you are Absolutely right that your carb intake in the morning is
causing the rise/crash. That and your weight loss. Before you go on your
trip you need to get a list of low fat/high protein items that do not have a
high glycemic index. If you combine protein with your carbs it will slow
digestion of the meal, and probably eliminate the problem. Post what you eat
*exactly* on the days this is happening and I will be glad to help you tweak
it so that it doesn't happen. Without feeding you anything absolutely
disgusting. :0

--
Lesanne
"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
ps.com...
I am posting this here instead of alt.support.diabetes because quite
frankly everyone here does a much better job of staying on topic.
There is way to much debate over one train of thought vs. another for
my tastes, especially since my experience has shown that most answers
are usually very simple.

I am a T2 diabetic as well as overweight. (Chicken or egg debate is not
importtant here)
I have been trying to watch my fat content; as a result I find myself
eating more carbs (especially in the AM) then what the ADA recommends
(I think) ... and when I do that my BG (Blood Glucose) levels spike
i.e. 150 - 180. After 2 hours, it comes back down to nomal (relative
term) during the day.

But not always, sometimes it, really, really drops. The other day went
from 169 to 60 in 45 minutes. Clearly a dangerous situation. My Dr
reduced my meds Avandia 8mg to 4 mg. in an effort to help me stablize.

I have a feeling I am missing something here when it comes to WW (flex)
program.

Any thoughts?

Plus...
Next week 6-24 through 7-2 I will be camping in the heat at Mt Union,
PA. www.creationfest.com where I will be assisting in radio
comunications as well as doing back stage secuity (all volunteer)

I am a little fearful of my BG levels and eating in general. I am
concerned that if I stay OP I will bottom out unless I eat what I want
and not what I need.

Ralph

Hey Eddie, you forgot the complication I used to mention to some of the
young male diabetics I counseled on the job (that other item you guys like
so well that depends upon the correct functioning of tiny arteries). You
know the one ?

--
Lesanne
"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message
...
Ralph, I've been through this and you really should consider my
suggestions.

You can find out lots of easy to read information at www.diabetic-talk.org
?

Here is a link THAT I INSIST THAT YOU SHOULD - it will clear things up for
you Ralph and it's easy reading to follow!!!
http://www.diabetic-talk.org/jennifer.htm

Now, one thing you must understand about diabetes is that controlling it
all
has all to do with determining the amount of carbs your body can handle
without spiking your BG. Jennifer's message will explain to you how to
determine this!

You need to understand that the higher you spike your BG (due to eating
too
many CARBS) the harder you will fall 2 hours later!! This rollercoaster
ride is not good for you and it will also cause you much tiredness as
well.
I used to fall asleep and not even know why!

FLEX and CORE are good plans, but you need to balance you intake of carbs.
Most people, like myself, can handle more carbs later in the day than
first
thing in the morning.

Another way to control your BG and allow yourself to eat more CARBS is to
exercise immediately after eating. The exercise will decrease the rising
of
your BG - vigorous exercise is the most helpful, but walking for approx.
30
minutes will also yield results too!

Lastly, building muscle will also help you. I know it's difficult for
some,
but building muscle and moderate exercise helps with insulin resistance.

I've been controlling now for 3 years and joining ASD and reading
Jennifer's
message was the best thing I have ever done to help myself. Don't rely on
your doctor to help you. Take his advice, but most certainly try to get
an
understanding of the situation and you will be happy once you've taken
control of your situation.

You're quality of life depends on it. The problem with diabetes is the
complications. Blindness, kidney disease, dialysis, amputation, boils,
heart disease, stroke.............take control Ralph - it's easier than
you
think if you just try.

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
ps.com...
I am posting this here instead of alt.support.diabetes because quite
frankly everyone here does a much better job of staying on topic.
There is way to much debate over one train of thought vs. another for
my tastes, especially since my experience has shown that most answers
are usually very simple.

I am a T2 diabetic as well as overweight. (Chicken or egg debate is not
importtant here)
I have been trying to watch my fat content; as a result I find myself
eating more carbs (especially in the AM) then what the ADA recommends
(I think) ... and when I do that my BG (Blood Glucose) levels spike
i.e. 150 - 180. After 2 hours, it comes back down to nomal (relative
term) during the day.

But not always, sometimes it, really, really drops. The other day went
from 169 to 60 in 45 minutes. Clearly a dangerous situation. My Dr
reduced my meds Avandia 8mg to 4 mg. in an effort to help me stablize.

I have a feeling I am missing something here when it comes to WW (flex)
program.

Any thoughts?

Plus...
Next week 6-24 through 7-2 I will be camping in the heat at Mt Union,
PA. www.creationfest.com where I will be assisting in radio
comunications as well as doing back stage secuity (all volunteer)

I am a little fearful of my BG levels and eating in general. I am
concerned that if I stay OP I will bottom out unless I eat what I want
and not what I need.

Ralph