Delema

Lesanne wrote:
Hey Eddie, you forgot the complication I used to mention to some of the
young male diabetics I counseled on the job (that other item you guys like
so well that depends upon the correct functioning of tiny arteries). You
know the one ?

You mean what I think you mean???

Ralph, I've been through this and you really should consider my
suggestions.
http://www.diabetic-talk.org/jennifer.htm

I did the carb counting thing for a while. I was seeing a diabetic
certified dietitian. My BG were off the chart, dunno why. Must be
some weird metabolism (sp) issue. I just couldn't get my A1c below 7.5
for almost three years. I wasn't able to get any sort of handle on my
BG until I quit counting carbs and just started counting WW points. It
was pointed out that I had reduced my overall food intaake and that
played a major part in it.


Now, one thing you must understand about diabetes is that controlling it
all
has all to do with determining the amount of carbs your body can handle
without spiking your BG. Jennifer's message will explain to you how to
determine this!

I usually have a pretty good idea of where I am at with my food intake.
I'm sorry, if I forgot to give you the other part of the situation.
It was an extremely hot/humid day here. Also, I was climbing up and
down a lot stairs, moving furniture and crawling around on the floor.

You need to understand that the higher you spike your BG (due to eating
too
many CARBS) the harder you will fall 2 hours later!! This rollercoaster
ride is not good for you and it will also cause you much tiredness as
well.
I used to fall asleep and not even know why!

FLEX and CORE are good plans, but you need to balance you intake of carbs.
Most people, like myself, can handle more carbs later in the day than
first
thing in the morning.

This is interesting, I will watch my numbers a little closer till we
get a handle on this.


Another way to control your BG and allow yourself to eat more CARBS is to
exercise immediately after eating. The exercise will decrease the rising
of
your BG - vigorous exercise is the most helpful, but walking for approx.
30
minutes will also yield results too!

Lastly, building muscle will also help you. I know it's difficult for
some,
but building muscle and moderate exercise helps with insulin resistance.

I agree, I haven't been able to because of heart issues. Sigh, guess I
am one sick puppy.

I've been controlling now for 3 years and joining ASD and reading
Jennifer's
message was the best thing I have ever done to help myself. Don't rely on
your doctor to help you. Take his advice, but most certainly try to get

Amen to that one Eddie. My old Dr. (the one I saw before I moved to
the area) was much better at this. I was under the impression a
"Board Certified Internist" was pretty much the same all over. I
think I am mistaken unless I can be convinced otherwise, hence why I am
using this group and a.s.d. more than in the past.

Thanks buddy

Lesanne wrote:
Bonzi, I am a nurse. My daughter is a T2. I have a special interest.
That said, you are Absolutely right that your carb intake in the morning is
causing the rise/crash. That and your weight loss. Before you go on your
trip you need to get a list of low fat/high protein items that do not have a
high glycemic index. If you combine protein with your carbs it will slow
digestion of the meal, and probably eliminate the problem. Post what you eat
*exactly* on the days this is happening and I will be glad to help you tweak
it so that it doesn't happen. Without feeding you anything absolutely
disgusting. :0


File this under:
Don't ask the question unless you are ready to hear the answer.

You want me to do what, here, in front of the whole world... I suppose
I would have to tell the truth too. What's that expression, oh yeah.
"It's time to put up or shut up." or "Just how badly do I want to do
this thing?" This is right up there with getting sober ( I are one of
those too)

I'll get back to you :-)

Seriously, its about taking a risk that I am not sure that I am ready
for.

Ralph

I think you need to look at having protein with every meal and maybe some
whole grains in smaller portions with it, and on core the fats are required,
Lee... which reminds me the 2 t are required, but do you count points if you
have more than that of say olive oil, Lee
Uncle Bonzi wrote in message
ps.com...
I am posting this here instead of alt.support.diabetes because quite
frankly everyone here does a much better job of staying on topic.
There is way to much debate over one train of thought vs. another for
my tastes, especially since my experience has shown that most answers
are usually very simple.

I am a T2 diabetic as well as overweight. (Chicken or egg debate is not
importtant here)
I have been trying to watch my fat content; as a result I find myself
eating more carbs (especially in the AM) then what the ADA recommends
(I think) ... and when I do that my BG (Blood Glucose) levels spike
i.e. 150 - 180. After 2 hours, it comes back down to nomal (relative
term) during the day.

But not always, sometimes it, really, really drops. The other day went
from 169 to 60 in 45 minutes. Clearly a dangerous situation. My Dr
reduced my meds Avandia 8mg to 4 mg. in an effort to help me stablize.

I have a feeling I am missing something here when it comes to WW (flex)
program.

Any thoughts?

Plus...
Next week 6-24 through 7-2 I will be camping in the heat at Mt Union,
PA. www.creationfest.com where I will be assisting in radio
comunications as well as doing back stage secuity (all volunteer)

I am a little fearful of my BG levels and eating in general. I am
concerned that if I stay OP I will bottom out unless I eat what I want
and not what I need.

Ralph

and if it is at all possible could you plan/take your food with you to try
and keep the bg more stable through eating more often, Lee
Uncle Bonzi wrote in message
ps.com...
I am posting this here instead of alt.support.diabetes because quite
frankly everyone here does a much better job of staying on topic.
There is way to much debate over one train of thought vs. another for
my tastes, especially since my experience has shown that most answers
are usually very simple.

I am a T2 diabetic as well as overweight. (Chicken or egg debate is not
importtant here)
I have been trying to watch my fat content; as a result I find myself
eating more carbs (especially in the AM) then what the ADA recommends
(I think) ... and when I do that my BG (Blood Glucose) levels spike
i.e. 150 - 180. After 2 hours, it comes back down to nomal (relative
term) during the day.

But not always, sometimes it, really, really drops. The other day went
from 169 to 60 in 45 minutes. Clearly a dangerous situation. My Dr
reduced my meds Avandia 8mg to 4 mg. in an effort to help me stablize.

I have a feeling I am missing something here when it comes to WW (flex)
program.

Any thoughts?

Plus...
Next week 6-24 through 7-2 I will be camping in the heat at Mt Union,
PA. www.creationfest.com where I will be assisting in radio
comunications as well as doing back stage secuity (all volunteer)

I am a little fearful of my BG levels and eating in general. I am
concerned that if I stay OP I will bottom out unless I eat what I want
and not what I need.

Ralph

a lot of "low fat" stuff actually has added sugar and salt which is not
readily apparent, Lee
Uncle Bonzi wrote in message
ups.com...

Willow Herself wrote:
Did you talk about this to your doctor?
Yes, as I said he cut my meds. As odd as this might seem, most Drs are
very helpful in this area. Willow, I swear My Drs respose was
something along the lines is once you get your weight under control
we'll talk. (The chicken/egg thingy)

Are you getting in you Good health guidelines?

Nope! Thanks..


It's beyond my knowledge really, I'd say talk to your doctor, but other
diabetic might be able to give you tips and ideas.

I agree and I know there are a few here, Eddie for one that I know for
sure.

You might want to go for healthy fats a little more, and cut the overly
processed "low fat" stuff... those can be misleading..

Could you explain?

Ralph

My brother is very brittle, he can easily have a reading of 450 and a couple
of hours later be at 60, now I don't want to get into the history but he is
now on a program where he calculates his carbs and shoots just before eating
based on his carb intake, he is much more stable than he has been in a long
time, he says its a miracle for him, Lee
Eddie-Type2 wrote in message
...
Ralph, I've been through this and you really should consider my
suggestions.

You can find out lots of easy to read information at www.diabetic-talk.org
?

Here is a link THAT I INSIST THAT YOU SHOULD - it will clear things up for
you Ralph and it's easy reading to follow!!!
http://www.diabetic-talk.org/jennifer.htm

Now, one thing you must understand about diabetes is that controlling it
all
has all to do with determining the amount of carbs your body can handle
without spiking your BG. Jennifer's message will explain to you how to
determine this!

You need to understand that the higher you spike your BG (due to eating
too
many CARBS) the harder you will fall 2 hours later!! This rollercoaster
ride is not good for you and it will also cause you much tiredness as
well.
I used to fall asleep and not even know why!

FLEX and CORE are good plans, but you need to balance you intake of carbs.
Most people, like myself, can handle more carbs later in the day than
first
thing in the morning.

Another way to control your BG and allow yourself to eat more CARBS is to
exercise immediately after eating. The exercise will decrease the rising
of
your BG - vigorous exercise is the most helpful, but walking for approx.
30
minutes will also yield results too!

Lastly, building muscle will also help you. I know it's difficult for
some,
but building muscle and moderate exercise helps with insulin resistance.

I've been controlling now for 3 years and joining ASD and reading
Jennifer's
message was the best thing I have ever done to help myself. Don't rely on
your doctor to help you. Take his advice, but most certainly try to get
an
understanding of the situation and you will be happy once you've taken
control of your situation.

You're quality of life depends on it. The problem with diabetes is the
complications. Blindness, kidney disease, dialysis, amputation, boils,
heart disease, stroke.............take control Ralph - it's easier than
you
think if you just try.

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
ps.com...
I am posting this here instead of alt.support.diabetes because quite
frankly everyone here does a much better job of staying on topic.
There is way to much debate over one train of thought vs. another for
my tastes, especially since my experience has shown that most answers
are usually very simple.

I am a T2 diabetic as well as overweight. (Chicken or egg debate is not
importtant here)
I have been trying to watch my fat content; as a result I find myself
eating more carbs (especially in the AM) then what the ADA recommends
(I think) ... and when I do that my BG (Blood Glucose) levels spike
i.e. 150 - 180. After 2 hours, it comes back down to nomal (relative
term) during the day.

But not always, sometimes it, really, really drops. The other day went
from 169 to 60 in 45 minutes. Clearly a dangerous situation. My Dr
reduced my meds Avandia 8mg to 4 mg. in an effort to help me stablize.

I have a feeling I am missing something here when it comes to WW (flex)
program.

Any thoughts?

Plus...
Next week 6-24 through 7-2 I will be camping in the heat at Mt Union,
PA. www.creationfest.com where I will be assisting in radio
comunications as well as doing back stage secuity (all volunteer)

I am a little fearful of my BG levels and eating in general. I am
concerned that if I stay OP I will bottom out unless I eat what I want
and not what I need.

Ralph

I just wanted to say that a common mistake for all of us is that we think of
the doctor we see as an omnipotent figure, they are a professional body
mechanic and are just as much your employee as the guy who tunes up your
car, Lee
Uncle Bonzi wrote in message
oups.com...
Lesanne wrote:
Hey Eddie, you forgot the complication I used to mention to some of the
young male diabetics I counseled on the job (that other item you guys
like
so well that depends upon the correct functioning of tiny arteries). You
know the one ?

You mean what I think you mean???

Ralph, I've been through this and you really should consider my
suggestions.
http://www.diabetic-talk.org/jennifer.htm

I did the carb counting thing for a while. I was seeing a diabetic
certified dietitian. My BG were off the chart, dunno why. Must be
some weird metabolism (sp) issue. I just couldn't get my A1c below 7.5
for almost three years. I wasn't able to get any sort of handle on my
BG until I quit counting carbs and just started counting WW points. It
was pointed out that I had reduced my overall food intaake and that
played a major part in it.


Now, one thing you must understand about diabetes is that controlling
it
all
has all to do with determining the amount of carbs your body can
handle
without spiking your BG. Jennifer's message will explain to you how
to
determine this!

I usually have a pretty good idea of where I am at with my food intake.
I'm sorry, if I forgot to give you the other part of the situation.
It was an extremely hot/humid day here. Also, I was climbing up and
down a lot stairs, moving furniture and crawling around on the floor.

You need to understand that the higher you spike your BG (due to
eating
too
many CARBS) the harder you will fall 2 hours later!! This
rollercoaster
ride is not good for you and it will also cause you much tiredness as
well.
I used to fall asleep and not even know why!

FLEX and CORE are good plans, but you need to balance you intake of
carbs.
Most people, like myself, can handle more carbs later in the day than
first
thing in the morning.

This is interesting, I will watch my numbers a little closer till we
get a handle on this.


Another way to control your BG and allow yourself to eat more CARBS is
to
exercise immediately after eating. The exercise will decrease the
rising
of
your BG - vigorous exercise is the most helpful, but walking for
approx.
30
minutes will also yield results too!

Lastly, building muscle will also help you. I know it's difficult for
some,
but building muscle and moderate exercise helps with insulin
resistance.

I agree, I haven't been able to because of heart issues. Sigh, guess I
am one sick puppy.

I've been controlling now for 3 years and joining ASD and reading
Jennifer's
message was the best thing I have ever done to help myself. Don't
rely on
your doctor to help you. Take his advice, but most certainly try to
get

Amen to that one Eddie. My old Dr. (the one I saw before I moved to
the area) was much better at this. I was under the impression a
"Board Certified Internist" was pretty much the same all over. I
think I am mistaken unless I can be convinced otherwise, hence why I am
using this group and a.s.d. more than in the past.

Thanks buddy

one more like that and you will have to replace my keyboard, Lee, still
giggling
Lesanne wrote in message
...
Hey Eddie, you forgot the complication I used to mention to some of the
young male diabetics I counseled on the job (that other item you guys like
so well that depends upon the correct functioning of tiny arteries). You
know the one ?

--
Lesanne
"Eddie-Type2" wrote in message
...
Ralph, I've been through this and you really should consider my
suggestions.

You can find out lots of easy to read information at
www.diabetic-talk.org
?

Here is a link THAT I INSIST THAT YOU SHOULD - it will clear things up
for
you Ralph and it's easy reading to follow!!!
http://www.diabetic-talk.org/jennifer.htm

Now, one thing you must understand about diabetes is that controlling it
all
has all to do with determining the amount of carbs your body can handle
without spiking your BG. Jennifer's message will explain to you how to
determine this!

You need to understand that the higher you spike your BG (due to eating
too
many CARBS) the harder you will fall 2 hours later!! This rollercoaster
ride is not good for you and it will also cause you much tiredness as
well.
I used to fall asleep and not even know why!

FLEX and CORE are good plans, but you need to balance you intake of
carbs.
Most people, like myself, can handle more carbs later in the day than
first
thing in the morning.

Another way to control your BG and allow yourself to eat more CARBS is
to
exercise immediately after eating. The exercise will decrease the
rising
of
your BG - vigorous exercise is the most helpful, but walking for approx.
30
minutes will also yield results too!

Lastly, building muscle will also help you. I know it's difficult for
some,
but building muscle and moderate exercise helps with insulin resistance.

I've been controlling now for 3 years and joining ASD and reading
Jennifer's
message was the best thing I have ever done to help myself. Don't rely
on
your doctor to help you. Take his advice, but most certainly try to get
an
understanding of the situation and you will be happy once you've taken
control of your situation.

You're quality of life depends on it. The problem with diabetes is the
complications. Blindness, kidney disease, dialysis, amputation, boils,
heart disease, stroke.............take control Ralph - it's easier than
you
think if you just try.

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
ps.com...
I am posting this here instead of alt.support.diabetes because quite
frankly everyone here does a much better job of staying on topic.
There is way to much debate over one train of thought vs. another for
my tastes, especially since my experience has shown that most answers
are usually very simple.

I am a T2 diabetic as well as overweight. (Chicken or egg debate is not
importtant here)
I have been trying to watch my fat content; as a result I find myself
eating more carbs (especially in the AM) then what the ADA recommends
(I think) ... and when I do that my BG (Blood Glucose) levels spike
i.e. 150 - 180. After 2 hours, it comes back down to nomal (relative
term) during the day.

But not always, sometimes it, really, really drops. The other day went
from 169 to 60 in 45 minutes. Clearly a dangerous situation. My Dr
reduced my meds Avandia 8mg to 4 mg. in an effort to help me stablize.

I have a feeling I am missing something here when it comes to WW (flex)
program.

Any thoughts?

Plus...
Next week 6-24 through 7-2 I will be camping in the heat at Mt Union,
PA. www.creationfest.com where I will be assisting in radio
comunications as well as doing back stage secuity (all volunteer)

I am a little fearful of my BG levels and eating in general. I am
concerned that if I stay OP I will bottom out unless I eat what I want
and not what I need.

Ralph

the fact that you are talking about it means you are headed in the right
direction, listen to her she really can help you, Lee
Uncle Bonzi wrote in message
oups.com...

Lesanne wrote:
Bonzi, I am a nurse. My daughter is a T2. I have a special interest.
That said, you are Absolutely right that your carb intake in the morning
is
causing the rise/crash. That and your weight loss. Before you go on your
trip you need to get a list of low fat/high protein items that do not
have a
high glycemic index. If you combine protein with your carbs it will slow
digestion of the meal, and probably eliminate the problem. Post what you
eat
*exactly* on the days this is happening and I will be glad to help you
tweak
it so that it doesn't happen. Without feeding you anything absolutely
disgusting. :0


File this under:
Don't ask the question unless you are ready to hear the answer.

You want me to do what, here, in front of the whole world... I suppose
I would have to tell the truth too. What's that expression, oh yeah.
"It's time to put up or shut up." or "Just how badly do I want to do
this thing?" This is right up there with getting sober ( I are one of
those too)

I'll get back to you :-)

Seriously, its about taking a risk that I am not sure that I am ready
for.

Ralph

YES, Lesanne is correct. I haven't been fully affected by it, but it can
happen. In my case, I think it's some of the medication I'm on, but it's
still working.....hehehe

Did you read Jennifer's message?

Your BG was probably off the chart because you may have just started your
medication - When I started my medication I was running approx. 25 (450) and
all over the board with my numbers. It usually takes a few weeks for things
to settle down and consistency in the amount of carbs you eat and testing is
very important.

As Lesanne said, you really want to get familiar with low glycemic foods.
Sugar and a slice of bread have approx.. the same amount of carbs and they
will raise your sugar rapidly.

Some people that go on insulin end up putting weight on because instead of
adjusting the amount of carbs to their dose, they instead adjust their dose
to the amount of carbs they want to eat. This is a huge no-no!

Counting WW points has nothing to do with controlling your BG - please don't
get into that mind-set.

You obviously had a crash the other day due to the activities you were
doing. Climbing stairs, moving furniture, crawling around - these are all
strenuous exercises that you most likely don't normally do - right?

I'm not suggesting that you do, but if you did those activities every day
for 3 months, you'd probably see a very good improvment in your A1c.

When I started controlling my BG 3 years ago, my A1c was
10.6..........within 3 months of watching my carbs, taking my prescribed
meds and trying to walk a bit - I brought my A1c down to 5.8.......and
without losing a single pound!

Weightloss certainly will help improve your situation and it's something to
definitely focus on as well, but in order to get things under control,
you're going to have to figure out how many carbs your body can handle at
each meal. Each time you spike, you are doing damage to your beta cells.
You only have a certain number of beta cells and once they are all dead,
then you will have to go on insulin.

I only trying to help you Ralph - diabetes is something you can live with if
you learn to control it. It is a progressive disease and the complications
can cause you many years of suffering when you are older.

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
oups.com...
Lesanne wrote:
Hey Eddie, you forgot the complication I used to mention to some of the
young male diabetics I counseled on the job (that other item you guys like
so well that depends upon the correct functioning of tiny arteries). You
know the one ?

You mean what I think you mean???

Ralph, I've been through this and you really should consider my
suggestions.
http://www.diabetic-talk.org/jennifer.htm

I did the carb counting thing for a while. I was seeing a diabetic
certified dietitian. My BG were off the chart, dunno why. Must be
some weird metabolism (sp) issue. I just couldn't get my A1c below 7.5
for almost three years. I wasn't able to get any sort of handle on my
BG until I quit counting carbs and just started counting WW points. It
was pointed out that I had reduced my overall food intaake and that
played a major part in it.


Now, one thing you must understand about diabetes is that controlling it
all
has all to do with determining the amount of carbs your body can handle
without spiking your BG. Jennifer's message will explain to you how to
determine this!

I usually have a pretty good idea of where I am at with my food intake.
I'm sorry, if I forgot to give you the other part of the situation.
It was an extremely hot/humid day here. Also, I was climbing up and
down a lot stairs, moving furniture and crawling around on the floor.

You need to understand that the higher you spike your BG (due to eating
too
many CARBS) the harder you will fall 2 hours later!! This rollercoaster
ride is not good for you and it will also cause you much tiredness as
well.
I used to fall asleep and not even know why!

FLEX and CORE are good plans, but you need to balance you intake of
carbs.
Most people, like myself, can handle more carbs later in the day than
first
thing in the morning.

This is interesting, I will watch my numbers a little closer till we
get a handle on this.


Another way to control your BG and allow yourself to eat more CARBS is
to
exercise immediately after eating. The exercise will decrease the
rising
of
your BG - vigorous exercise is the most helpful, but walking for approx.
30
minutes will also yield results too!

Lastly, building muscle will also help you. I know it's difficult for
some,
but building muscle and moderate exercise helps with insulin resistance.

I agree, I haven't been able to because of heart issues. Sigh, guess I
am one sick puppy.

I've been controlling now for 3 years and joining ASD and reading
Jennifer's
message was the best thing I have ever done to help myself. Don't rely
on
your doctor to help you. Take his advice, but most certainly try to get

Amen to that one Eddie. My old Dr. (the one I saw before I moved to
the area) was much better at this. I was under the impression a
"Board Certified Internist" was pretty much the same all over. I
think I am mistaken unless I can be convinced otherwise, hence why I am
using this group and a.s.d. more than in the past.

Thanks buddy