Delema

Everybody.... thank you, thank you, thank you for responding and for
keeping on target.

Eddie:

Right up front please don't be afraid to state your opinion or
suggestions to me. I may or may not agree with every thing that is
said, that has nothing to do weather or not ( I know it's the wrong
one, I also suffer from CRS disease) the information is relevent in my
situation. I will promise though to listen with an open mind, perhaps
kicking and screaming, however, I will listen.

I am not the best at written communication so it may take a few posts
to get it clear in my mind as well.

So here goes:

1. I am not newly diagnosed. DX 1993
2. I do not agree with Dr. Bernstein
3. I have read Jennifer's page before.
4. I never apply a generic across the board one size fits all approach
to anything.
5. I will always listen to experience before opinion first.

Did you read Jennifer's message?

Yes I did, see #3 and I reread it this time too just to be sure.

Your BG was probably off the chart because you may have just started your
medication

See # 1 if anything, it probably needs adjusting, something Dr. and I
are involved with doing now. Avandia 8mg to 4mg

Counting WW points has nothing to do with controlling your BG - please don't
get into that mind-set.

I disagree completely based on my own past experience. Now I am
talking about long term, not the occasional lapse. i.e. The craving
that won't go away no matter how much I try alt. sources.

My two biggest cravings are pizza and ice cream. I have since learned
to make a pizza that almost satisfies me cravings. Ice cream, well
that's another story.

Oh did I mention, pasta? I am getting better using whole wheat when I
can afford it.

You obviously had a crash the other day due to the activities you were
doing. Climbing stairs, moving furniture, crawling around - these are all
strenuous exercises that you most likely don't normally do - right?

True

I'm not suggesting that you do, but if you did those activities every day
for 3 months, you'd probably see a very good improvement in your A1c

Agree 100%, however for a number of reasons it is not feasible or
possible. BUT!! I do work out in the gym when I can and of course I
walk.

As a reminder, I live in a tourist area that caters to those on
vacations not those of us that live here year round. I do make it a
point to go swimming in the ocean at least once a week. (surfs up
dudes)

When I started controlling my BG 3 years ago, my A1c was
10.6..........within 3 months of watching my carbs, taking my prescribed
meds and trying to walk a bit - I brought my A1c down to 5.8.......and
without losing a single pound!

That wasn't the case with me. It took over three years to get mine
down with exercise, meds, diet i.e. carbs. Not blindly either. I saw
a dietitian, went to diabetes support groups, saw my DR every 2 months
(A1c), took classes. In short, I took a very active part on my
treatment and recovery. Although admitidly I have gotten complacent
recently - Hello, diabetes kicks my butt everytime I lose focus.

Sorry but my body does not react to treatment the same way others
react. In one year alone I was in the hospital six times for my heart.
I had 13 stents put in. I missed by one for my free toaster grin.
Diabetes complication called: Restenosis. For an explanation -
http://www.answers.com/restenosis&r=67

I only trying to help you Ralph - diabetes is something you can live with if
you learn to control it. It is a progressive disease and the complications
can cause you many years of suffering when you are older.

Thanks, I know or I wouldn't still be here talking it out.

Stormmee wrote:
and if it is at all possible could you plan/take your food with you to try
and keep the bg more stable through eating more often, LEE

I originally had planned to cook, after all I am going semi camping
(www.creationfest.com), however, with my work schedule there I may have
to eat more cr*p than I want at the vendors.

Ugh!!

Lesanne wrote:
Bonzi, I am a nurse. My daughter is a T2. I have a special interest.
That said, you are Absolutely right that your carb intake in the morning is
causing the rise/crash. That and your weight loss. Before you go on your
trip you need to get a list of low fat/high protein items that do not have a
high glycemic index. If you combine protein with your carbs it will slow
digestion of the meal, and probably eliminate the problem. Post what you eat
*exactly* on the days this is happening and I will be glad to help you tweak
it so that it doesn't happen. Without feeding you anything absolutely
disgusting. :0

I have given this some more thought. Although I haven't seen it in
this group so far (other than that George dude, who is obviously
selling something of his own) I have seen in other groups how people
can be less than supportive.

I am not willing to post on the group, but I would be willing to email
directly and I would of course cc a limited number people just to keep
us honest :-) if you want.

Thanks to all.

Ralph

my brother calculates his carbs for each meal and then shoots just before
eating, this is a program for insulin dependent people, he also eats six
times a day and must shoot and then eat within five minutes because of what
he takes, is a riskier regimen and the other day his DIL got distracted and
he ended up having a reaction because she had mistimed the time of the meal,
Lee
Eddie-Type2 wrote in message
...
YES, Lesanne is correct. I haven't been fully affected by it, but it can
happen. In my case, I think it's some of the medication I'm on, but it's
still working.....hehehe

Did you read Jennifer's message?

Your BG was probably off the chart because you may have just started your
medication - When I started my medication I was running approx. 25 (450)
and
all over the board with my numbers. It usually takes a few weeks for
things
to settle down and consistency in the amount of carbs you eat and testing
is
very important.

As Lesanne said, you really want to get familiar with low glycemic foods.
Sugar and a slice of bread have approx.. the same amount of carbs and they
will raise your sugar rapidly.

Some people that go on insulin end up putting weight on because instead of
adjusting the amount of carbs to their dose, they instead adjust their
dose
to the amount of carbs they want to eat. This is a huge no-no!

Counting WW points has nothing to do with controlling your BG - please
don't
get into that mind-set.

You obviously had a crash the other day due to the activities you were
doing. Climbing stairs, moving furniture, crawling around - these are all
strenuous exercises that you most likely don't normally do - right?

I'm not suggesting that you do, but if you did those activities every day
for 3 months, you'd probably see a very good improvment in your A1c.

When I started controlling my BG 3 years ago, my A1c was
10.6..........within 3 months of watching my carbs, taking my prescribed
meds and trying to walk a bit - I brought my A1c down to 5.8.......and
without losing a single pound!

Weightloss certainly will help improve your situation and it's something
to
definitely focus on as well, but in order to get things under control,
you're going to have to figure out how many carbs your body can handle at
each meal. Each time you spike, you are doing damage to your beta cells.
You only have a certain number of beta cells and once they are all dead,
then you will have to go on insulin.

I only trying to help you Ralph - diabetes is something you can live with
if
you learn to control it. It is a progressive disease and the
complications
can cause you many years of suffering when you are older.

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
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Lesanne wrote:
Hey Eddie, you forgot the complication I used to mention to some of the
young male diabetics I counseled on the job (that other item you guys
like
so well that depends upon the correct functioning of tiny arteries). You
know the one ?

You mean what I think you mean???

Ralph, I've been through this and you really should consider my
suggestions.
http://www.diabetic-talk.org/jennifer.htm

I did the carb counting thing for a while. I was seeing a diabetic
certified dietitian. My BG were off the chart, dunno why. Must be
some weird metabolism (sp) issue. I just couldn't get my A1c below 7.5
for almost three years. I wasn't able to get any sort of handle on my
BG until I quit counting carbs and just started counting WW points. It
was pointed out that I had reduced my overall food intaake and that
played a major part in it.


Now, one thing you must understand about diabetes is that controlling
it
all
has all to do with determining the amount of carbs your body can
handle
without spiking your BG. Jennifer's message will explain to you how
to
determine this!

I usually have a pretty good idea of where I am at with my food intake.
I'm sorry, if I forgot to give you the other part of the situation.
It was an extremely hot/humid day here. Also, I was climbing up and
down a lot stairs, moving furniture and crawling around on the floor.

You need to understand that the higher you spike your BG (due to
eating
too
many CARBS) the harder you will fall 2 hours later!! This
rollercoaster
ride is not good for you and it will also cause you much tiredness as
well.
I used to fall asleep and not even know why!

FLEX and CORE are good plans, but you need to balance you intake of
carbs.
Most people, like myself, can handle more carbs later in the day than
first
thing in the morning.

This is interesting, I will watch my numbers a little closer till we
get a handle on this.


Another way to control your BG and allow yourself to eat more CARBS is
to
exercise immediately after eating. The exercise will decrease the
rising
of
your BG - vigorous exercise is the most helpful, but walking for
approx.
30
minutes will also yield results too!

Lastly, building muscle will also help you. I know it's difficult for
some,
but building muscle and moderate exercise helps with insulin
resistance.

I agree, I haven't been able to because of heart issues. Sigh, guess I
am one sick puppy.

I've been controlling now for 3 years and joining ASD and reading
Jennifer's
message was the best thing I have ever done to help myself. Don't
rely
on
your doctor to help you. Take his advice, but most certainly try to
get

Amen to that one Eddie. My old Dr. (the one I saw before I moved to
the area) was much better at this. I was under the impression a
"Board Certified Internist" was pretty much the same all over. I
think I am mistaken unless I can be convinced otherwise, hence why I am
using this group and a.s.d. more than in the past.

Thanks buddy

Hey Ralph,

Thanks for being receptive to the posts and for talking things out with us.
I'm really glad that you realize that we are trying to help you and after
reading this most current post, I apologize for not realizing that you had
so many other things happening that could be affecting your BG.

I honestly believe in my heart that if you try for a couple of weeks to
control your carb intake and eat low glycemic foods, you will see an
improvement in your numbers. Any and all exercise will also contribute to
better than your current readings.

I wish you the best of luck - I hope you can come up with a solution to get
your A1c down. Don't give up.

If you would like to include me on the list of others that you might
consider sending your list to, I promise to keep it in strict confidence and
give you my honest opinion as to what you may want to do to tweak things a
bit.

Eddie
Weight June05-359lbs
Current Weight-282.2lbs
Loss to date=76.8lbs
Goal Weight-180lbs

"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message
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Everybody.... thank you, thank you, thank you for responding and for
keeping on target.

Eddie:

Right up front please don't be afraid to state your opinion or
suggestions to me. I may or may not agree with every thing that is
said, that has nothing to do weather or not ( I know it's the wrong
one, I also suffer from CRS disease) the information is relevent in my
situation. I will promise though to listen with an open mind, perhaps
kicking and screaming, however, I will listen.

I am not the best at written communication so it may take a few posts
to get it clear in my mind as well.

So here goes:

1. I am not newly diagnosed. DX 1993
2. I do not agree with Dr. Bernstein
3. I have read Jennifer's page before.
4. I never apply a generic across the board one size fits all approach
to anything.
5. I will always listen to experience before opinion first.

Did you read Jennifer's message?

Yes I did, see #3 and I reread it this time too just to be sure.

Your BG was probably off the chart because you may have just started your
medication

See # 1 if anything, it probably needs adjusting, something Dr. and I
are involved with doing now. Avandia 8mg to 4mg

Counting WW points has nothing to do with controlling your BG - please
don't
get into that mind-set.

I disagree completely based on my own past experience. Now I am
talking about long term, not the occasional lapse. i.e. The craving
that won't go away no matter how much I try alt. sources.

My two biggest cravings are pizza and ice cream. I have since learned
to make a pizza that almost satisfies me cravings. Ice cream, well
that's another story.

Oh did I mention, pasta? I am getting better using whole wheat when I
can afford it.

You obviously had a crash the other day due to the activities you were
doing. Climbing stairs, moving furniture, crawling around - these are all
strenuous exercises that you most likely don't normally do - right?

True

I'm not suggesting that you do, but if you did those activities every day
for 3 months, you'd probably see a very good improvement in your A1c

Agree 100%, however for a number of reasons it is not feasible or
possible. BUT!! I do work out in the gym when I can and of course I
walk.

As a reminder, I live in a tourist area that caters to those on
vacations not those of us that live here year round. I do make it a
point to go swimming in the ocean at least once a week. (surfs up
dudes)

When I started controlling my BG 3 years ago, my A1c was
10.6..........within 3 months of watching my carbs, taking my prescribed
meds and trying to walk a bit - I brought my A1c down to 5.8.......and
without losing a single pound!

That wasn't the case with me. It took over three years to get mine
down with exercise, meds, diet i.e. carbs. Not blindly either. I saw
a dietitian, went to diabetes support groups, saw my DR every 2 months
(A1c), took classes. In short, I took a very active part on my
treatment and recovery. Although admitidly I have gotten complacent
recently - Hello, diabetes kicks my butt everytime I lose focus.

Sorry but my body does not react to treatment the same way others
react. In one year alone I was in the hospital six times for my heart.
I had 13 stents put in. I missed by one for my free toaster grin.
Diabetes complication called: Restenosis. For an explanation -
http://www.answers.com/restenosis&r=67

I only trying to help you Ralph - diabetes is something you can live with
if
you learn to control it. It is a progressive disease and the
complications
can cause you many years of suffering when you are older.

Thanks, I know or I wouldn't still be here talking it out.

Stormmee wrote:
and if it is at all possible could you plan/take your food with you to try
and keep the bg more stable through eating more often, LEE

I originally had planned to cook, after all I am going semi camping
(www.creationfest.com), however, with my work schedule there I may have
to eat more cr*p than I want at the vendors.

Ugh!!

Lesanne wrote:
Bonzi, I am a nurse. My daughter is a T2. I have a special interest.
That said, you are Absolutely right that your carb intake in the morning
is
causing the rise/crash. That and your weight loss. Before you go on your
trip you need to get a list of low fat/high protein items that do not have
a
high glycemic index. If you combine protein with your carbs it will slow
digestion of the meal, and probably eliminate the problem. Post what you
eat
*exactly* on the days this is happening and I will be glad to help you
tweak
it so that it doesn't happen. Without feeding you anything absolutely
disgusting. :0

I have given this some more thought. Although I haven't seen it in
this group so far (other than that George dude, who is obviously
selling something of his own) I have seen in other groups how people
can be less than supportive.

I am not willing to post on the group, but I would be willing to email
directly and I would of course cc a limited number people just to keep
us honest :-) if you want.

Thanks to all.

Ralph

Stormmee wrote:
my brother calculates his carbs for each meal and then shoots just before
eating, this is a program for insulin dependent people, he also eats six
times a day and must shoot and then eat within five minutes because of what
he takes, is a riskier regimen and the other day his DIL got distracted and
he ended up having a reaction because she had mistimed the time of the meal,
Lee


Stommee

For today at least, I don't inject insulin.

I also eat 6 times a day ( thats one of the dangers) like letting the
tiger out of the cage. My apologies for any friends of the Tigers ...
unless of course we are talking baseball :-)

Ralphj

who just kicked the crap outta the cubs, Lee
Uncle Bonzi wrote in message
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Stormmee wrote:
my brother calculates his carbs for each meal and then shoots just
before
eating, this is a program for insulin dependent people, he also eats six
times a day and must shoot and then eat within five minutes because of
what
he takes, is a riskier regimen and the other day his DIL got distracted
and
he ended up having a reaction because she had mistimed the time of the
meal,
Lee


Stommee

For today at least, I don't inject insulin.

I also eat 6 times a day ( thats one of the dangers) like letting the
tiger out of the cage. My apologies for any friends of the Tigers ...
unless of course we are talking baseball :-)

Ralphj

Stormmee wrote:
who just kicked the crap outta the cubs, Lee

LOL

Mama Bear???

Thats one in a row.

- R

not overly loyal to the cubs prefer cardinals but love base ball, where I
live, cubs, white sox, and cardinals, all broadcast locally, sox will be on
soon then cardinals in an hour, Lee
Uncle Bonzi wrote in message
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Stormmee wrote:
who just kicked the crap outta the cubs, Lee

LOL

Mama Bear???

Thats one in a row.

- R

and I forgot, sox fans are probably ****ed off also, means they fight for
standings, Lee
Uncle Bonzi wrote in message
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Stormmee wrote:
who just kicked the crap outta the cubs, Lee

LOL

Mama Bear???

Thats one in a row.

- R

"Uncle Bonzi" wrote in message oups.com...
Lesanne wrote:
Hey Eddie, you forgot the complication I used to mention to some of the
young male diabetics I counseled on the job (that other item you guys like
so well that depends upon the correct functioning of tiny arteries). You
know the one ?

You mean what I think you mean???
If you are thinking below the waist and above the knees, probably .

File this under:
Don't ask the question unless you are ready to hear the answer.

You want me to do what, here, in front of the whole world... I suppose
I would have to tell the truth too. What's that expression, oh yeah.
"It's time to put up or shut up." or "Just how badly do I want to do
this thing?" This is right up there with getting sober ( I are one of
those too)

***You sure did give me the laugh of the day here. I understand. Really. Open-mindedness is the key. . Bet you heard that before. We could do that by private e-mail. Mine is my first initial then my last name then . I am doing this in pieces so the spammers don't easily snag it. That would be Larnim in front of the hyperlinked part above. It won't bother me if you don't because I am a busy girl .

I'll get back to you :-)

Seriously, its about taking a risk that I am not sure that I am ready
for.

Ralph