breyers carb smart

this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+ months
now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than regular
ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I was
willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of discipline
overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after eating
it and found it elevated.

anyone else encountered problems with this product?
Bob
197+/160/160.5 .

"bob" wrote:

this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+ months
now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than regular
ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I was
willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of discipline
overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after eating
it and found it elevated.

anyone else encountered problems with this product?
Bob
197+/160/160.5 .

Do you count the sugar alcohols as carbs? or believe the marketing and
discount them as unconsumable by the human body?

SA's vary and they can and do get absorbed as carbs by the body, so
one would think they CAN and DO elevate glucose levels. While I've
read that they are NOT a sugar NOT an alcohol, I have not found an
article yet that explains that most do not break down into a sugar.
There is one with near-zero impact. But I think it is typically used
just in gum. The idea seems to be, though clouded by constant
marketing, that they don't digest easily--something that varies from
person to person. SOme seem to rely on that undigestibility to avoid
carb-absorption in the body. I personally think how much maltitol gets
converted is linked to whether you go into gastric distress. IF it
runs through your body like a marathon you aren't digesting it--yeah
for your glucose count but ... ick on the other side. If it has no
gastric effect--as it does with me-- I'm assuming my body is digesting
it reasonably well. It could be quite the opposite--gastric distress
reveals a breakdown of maltitol and the side effects of its broken
down components.

I just discovered that a product with inulin--not an SA, and the first
I think I've consumed--give me very bad flatulence. Enough that I
really can't leave the house without embarassment.

I count carbs as total carbs minus fiber and that's that. SAs count
because most of us just can't KNOW that it doesn't. I believe Jenny
did tests to prove to herself that Maltitol cause a glucose rise equiv
to 75% of its carb count--which is what other sources estimate gets
absorbed from maltitol.

I think the Breyers is merely an example of social engineering
interfereing with infomation. Amongst low-carb products I consider
this and Chips Ahoy's Carb Sensible Cookies to be the best tasting
products on the market. Both of these products would be the most
appealing and the most likely to overeat and trigger old habits of
lusting after chocolate or trigger old eating patterns. Breyer's SAs
are just as guilty as all other SAs of affecting glucose and your carb
counts.

That's just my opinion. (the sound of a spooning scrapping the bottom
of an empty carton of Breyers chocolate in the background)
DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/275/Jun-275/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
Maint.-70 carbs/day (CCLL=50-60)

"bob" wrote:

this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+ months
now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than regular
ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I was
willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of discipline
overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after eating
it and found it elevated.

anyone else encountered problems with this product?
Bob
197+/160/160.5 .

Do you count the sugar alcohols as carbs? or believe the marketing and
discount them as unconsumable by the human body?

SA's vary and they can and do get absorbed as carbs by the body, so
one would think they CAN and DO elevate glucose levels. While I've
read that they are NOT a sugar NOT an alcohol, I have not found an
article yet that explains that most do not break down into a sugar.
There is one with near-zero impact. But I think it is typically used
just in gum. The idea seems to be, though clouded by constant
marketing, that they don't digest easily--something that varies from
person to person. SOme seem to rely on that undigestibility to avoid
carb-absorption in the body. I personally think how much maltitol gets
converted is linked to whether you go into gastric distress. IF it
runs through your body like a marathon you aren't digesting it--yeah
for your glucose count but ... ick on the other side. If it has no
gastric effect--as it does with me-- I'm assuming my body is digesting
it reasonably well. It could be quite the opposite--gastric distress
reveals a breakdown of maltitol and the side effects of its broken
down components.

I just discovered that a product with inulin--not an SA, and the first
I think I've consumed--give me very bad flatulence. Enough that I
really can't leave the house without embarassment.

I count carbs as total carbs minus fiber and that's that. SAs count
because most of us just can't KNOW that it doesn't. I believe Jenny
did tests to prove to herself that Maltitol cause a glucose rise equiv
to 75% of its carb count--which is what other sources estimate gets
absorbed from maltitol.

I think the Breyers is merely an example of social engineering
interfereing with infomation. Amongst low-carb products I consider
this and Chips Ahoy's Carb Sensible Cookies to be the best tasting
products on the market. Both of these products would be the most
appealing and the most likely to overeat and trigger old habits of
lusting after chocolate or trigger old eating patterns. Breyer's SAs
are just as guilty as all other SAs of affecting glucose and your carb
counts.

That's just my opinion. (the sound of a spooning scrapping the bottom
of an empty carton of Breyers chocolate in the background)
DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/275/Jun-275/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
Maint.-70 carbs/day (CCLL=50-60)

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:13:38 GMT, "bob"
wrote:

On a recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after eating
it and found it elevated.

anyone else encountered problems with this product?

I haven't tried it (I'm not much of an ice cream eater), but I do thank you
for the warning about blood sugar spikes. I'll stick with DaVinci flavored
yogurt. G

Carol
--
227/211/150 (Thursdays)
Fasting BG: 119
Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001
http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:13:38 GMT, "bob"
wrote:

On a recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after eating
it and found it elevated.

anyone else encountered problems with this product?

I haven't tried it (I'm not much of an ice cream eater), but I do thank you
for the warning about blood sugar spikes. I'll stick with DaVinci flavored
yogurt. G

Carol
--
227/211/150 (Thursdays)
Fasting BG: 119
Bernstein Diabetes Solution 5/25/2004
Diabetes Dx 5/15/2001
http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie

hmm. i have been eating other sugar alcohol products (in moderation) with no
trouble to speak of, of course i am in maintenance, so my goals are
different. (i don't mind a stall)
the theory about gastro-intestinal distress is interesting, as malitol et ol
bothers my wife quite a bit, but the worst i can say about them is perhaps
an increase in gas.

perhaps it is just the high calorie content compared to other low carb
products that are throwing us?


"DigitalVinyl" wrote in message
...
"bob" wrote:

this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+
months
now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than
regular
ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I
was
willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of discipline
overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after
eating
it and found it elevated.

anyone else encountered problems with this product?
Bob
197+/160/160.5 .

Do you count the sugar alcohols as carbs? or believe the marketing and
discount them as unconsumable by the human body?

SA's vary and they can and do get absorbed as carbs by the body, so
one would think they CAN and DO elevate glucose levels. While I've
read that they are NOT a sugar NOT an alcohol, I have not found an
article yet that explains that most do not break down into a sugar.
There is one with near-zero impact. But I think it is typically used
just in gum. The idea seems to be, though clouded by constant
marketing, that they don't digest easily--something that varies from
person to person. SOme seem to rely on that undigestibility to avoid
carb-absorption in the body. I personally think how much maltitol gets
converted is linked to whether you go into gastric distress. IF it
runs through your body like a marathon you aren't digesting it--yeah
for your glucose count but ... ick on the other side. If it has no
gastric effect--as it does with me-- I'm assuming my body is digesting
it reasonably well. It could be quite the opposite--gastric distress
reveals a breakdown of maltitol and the side effects of its broken
down components.

I just discovered that a product with inulin--not an SA, and the first
I think I've consumed--give me very bad flatulence. Enough that I
really can't leave the house without embarassment.

I count carbs as total carbs minus fiber and that's that. SAs count
because most of us just can't KNOW that it doesn't. I believe Jenny
did tests to prove to herself that Maltitol cause a glucose rise equiv
to 75% of its carb count--which is what other sources estimate gets
absorbed from maltitol.

I think the Breyers is merely an example of social engineering
interfereing with infomation. Amongst low-carb products I consider
this and Chips Ahoy's Carb Sensible Cookies to be the best tasting
products on the market. Both of these products would be the most
appealing and the most likely to overeat and trigger old habits of
lusting after chocolate or trigger old eating patterns. Breyer's SAs
are just as guilty as all other SAs of affecting glucose and your carb
counts.

That's just my opinion. (the sound of a spooning scrapping the bottom
of an empty carton of Breyers chocolate in the background)
DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/275/Jun-275/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
Maint.-70 carbs/day (CCLL=50-60)

hmm. i have been eating other sugar alcohol products (in moderation) with no
trouble to speak of, of course i am in maintenance, so my goals are
different. (i don't mind a stall)
the theory about gastro-intestinal distress is interesting, as malitol et ol
bothers my wife quite a bit, but the worst i can say about them is perhaps
an increase in gas.

perhaps it is just the high calorie content compared to other low carb
products that are throwing us?


"DigitalVinyl" wrote in message
...
"bob" wrote:

this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+
months
now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my suspicions about
breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor, tastes better than
regular
ice cream, but noticed weight gains usually associated with eating it. I
was
willing to chalk it up to generous portions, or general lack of discipline
overall of which the icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions
however with the owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a
recent visit he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after
eating
it and found it elevated.

anyone else encountered problems with this product?
Bob
197+/160/160.5 .

Do you count the sugar alcohols as carbs? or believe the marketing and
discount them as unconsumable by the human body?

SA's vary and they can and do get absorbed as carbs by the body, so
one would think they CAN and DO elevate glucose levels. While I've
read that they are NOT a sugar NOT an alcohol, I have not found an
article yet that explains that most do not break down into a sugar.
There is one with near-zero impact. But I think it is typically used
just in gum. The idea seems to be, though clouded by constant
marketing, that they don't digest easily--something that varies from
person to person. SOme seem to rely on that undigestibility to avoid
carb-absorption in the body. I personally think how much maltitol gets
converted is linked to whether you go into gastric distress. IF it
runs through your body like a marathon you aren't digesting it--yeah
for your glucose count but ... ick on the other side. If it has no
gastric effect--as it does with me-- I'm assuming my body is digesting
it reasonably well. It could be quite the opposite--gastric distress
reveals a breakdown of maltitol and the side effects of its broken
down components.

I just discovered that a product with inulin--not an SA, and the first
I think I've consumed--give me very bad flatulence. Enough that I
really can't leave the house without embarassment.

I count carbs as total carbs minus fiber and that's that. SAs count
because most of us just can't KNOW that it doesn't. I believe Jenny
did tests to prove to herself that Maltitol cause a glucose rise equiv
to 75% of its carb count--which is what other sources estimate gets
absorbed from maltitol.

I think the Breyers is merely an example of social engineering
interfereing with infomation. Amongst low-carb products I consider
this and Chips Ahoy's Carb Sensible Cookies to be the best tasting
products on the market. Both of these products would be the most
appealing and the most likely to overeat and trigger old habits of
lusting after chocolate or trigger old eating patterns. Breyer's SAs
are just as guilty as all other SAs of affecting glucose and your carb
counts.

That's just my opinion. (the sound of a spooning scrapping the bottom
of an empty carton of Breyers chocolate in the background)
DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/275/Jun-275/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
Maint.-70 carbs/day (CCLL=50-60)

bob wrote:
| this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+
| months now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my
| suspicions about breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor,
| tastes better than regular ice cream, but noticed weight gains
| usually associated with eating it. I was willing to chalk it up to
| generous portions, or general lack of discipline overall of which the
| icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions however with the
| owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a recent visit
| he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
| suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after
| eating it and found it elevated.
|
| anyone else encountered problems with this product?
| Bob
| 197+/160/160.5 .


My experience is exactly the opposite. I see no weight gain after eating
Carb Smart, and no interference with my wieght loss. I'm T2, and it does
not affect my blood sugar at all.

Of course, I only eat two or three tablespoons at a time. Anyone who pigs
out on high-calorie junk food regardless of the carb content is going to
sabotage their diet. As JC would say, it's how they got fat in the first
place -- and the food product can't be blamed.
--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

bob wrote:
| this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+
| months now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my
| suspicions about breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor,
| tastes better than regular ice cream, but noticed weight gains
| usually associated with eating it. I was willing to chalk it up to
| generous portions, or general lack of discipline overall of which the
| icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions however with the
| owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a recent visit
| he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
| suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after
| eating it and found it elevated.
|
| anyone else encountered problems with this product?
| Bob
| 197+/160/160.5 .


My experience is exactly the opposite. I see no weight gain after eating
Carb Smart, and no interference with my wieght loss. I'm T2, and it does
not affect my blood sugar at all.

Of course, I only eat two or three tablespoons at a time. Anyone who pigs
out on high-calorie junk food regardless of the carb content is going to
sabotage their diet. As JC would say, it's how they got fat in the first
place -- and the food product can't be blamed.
--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

perhaps the problem is that it is less forgiving of overindulgence than
other foods. if i have more than one serving of carptopia muffins, or
peanuts, i suffer little effect (though if i am a pound up, it will
certainly not go down) however if i have a genuine bowlful of breyers, then
i gain a half to full pound.

as noted, i tended to view this as part of eating too much for a day, of
which the breyers, being the dessert, was the last and most notable.
however, other customers of this store saw a similar pattern, that suggests
there is some problem to me....
bob

"marengo" wrote in message
...
bob wrote:
| this may be old news to this group, i have been on maintenance for 7+
| months now so i don't get to read it often, but i have had my
| suspicions about breyers carb smart ice cream. I love the flavor,
| tastes better than regular ice cream, but noticed weight gains
| usually associated with eating it. I was willing to chalk it up to
| generous portions, or general lack of discipline overall of which the
| icecream was only part. I did share my suspicions however with the
| owner of the local sugar free low carb food store. On a recent visit
| he told me that several other customers had mentioned their
| suscpicions as well, and one had even measured her blood sugar after
| eating it and found it elevated.
|
| anyone else encountered problems with this product?
| Bob
| 197+/160/160.5 .


My experience is exactly the opposite. I see no weight gain after eating
Carb Smart, and no interference with my wieght loss. I'm T2, and it does
not affect my blood sugar at all.

Of course, I only eat two or three tablespoons at a time. Anyone who pigs
out on high-calorie junk food regardless of the carb content is going to
sabotage their diet. As JC would say, it's how they got fat in the first
place -- and the food product can't be blamed.
--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html