the eating intelligence

I am with you here. It is hard for me to do moderation, and I am a
naturally fat person also. So, Itry to stick to some plan that does
not require moderation.

Well then, just keep eating away, gourging when you want, and you'll still
be posting your woes here years from now.

"Ignoramus3578" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:42:09 GMT, Tom wrote:

"Ignoramus3578" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:15:19 GMT, Tom wrote:

My acid reflux went away as soon as I started eating less, even
before
low carbing, but it took going low carb to get rid of knee pain.

Perhaps the amount of benefits plays a major role in whether a
person
decides to change lifestyle for the rest of their life.

I do not yet know if I will keep this lifestyle for the rest of my
life; I will only keep it for as long as it makes sense.

I definitely agree. If for some reason it is proven that the way I'm
eating is dangerous, I would not hesitate to change my diet. Despite
vastly
different opinions about the diet, I don't see any evidence of it being
harmful. So far, I have only seen good health from it. I can't see going
back to eating large amounts of junk food no matter what the change
would be
in the end though. Time will tell.

I am wondering if you are familiar with personality typing and whether
you read Keirsey's Please Understand Me II. Specifically, do you think
that you belong to the Rational category.

Hmm. I went to the website. I guess it would have to be a combination of
rational and idealist. I have varied interests and do like to find out the
truth about whatever I can. To give an example; I have a guide that was
written based on military backcountry survival. In it, it states that if you
were to eat snow, you would become dehydrated and die. Sure enough, some
digging around at the library revealed that some people do believe this
because snow melts down to 1/10th it's original size when melted. And
something to do about energy required would cause a water deficit. I've
mentioned it to some, and in fact some do believe it. It does not make sense
to me that it is that way. Other people may be happy with this info. I do
not believe it. And I'm not scared to be vocal about it even if I am in
error. But throughout history there are examples like this kind of
information that were believed for years, but then ended up being wrong. I
think this is one of them.
http://www.nicomeklscouting.ca/progr...o/wintquiz.pdf

As for the idealist side of me, I tend to think I like to help people get
through life and do not like to see anyone suffer. But I'm not a social
worker type person. So it's a smaller part of me I guess than the rational
part. Even though some on this board may not feel that I am rational at
times bacause I don't always agree with what they say.
Tom

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The Low-Carb Bartender wrote:
:: " :: It boils down to moderation, and not deprivation.
:::
::: But most of us "naturally fat" people know nothing of moderation.
::: So, if it
::: boils down to moderation, how are we supposed to be able to reach
::: that state? IMO, this is just like saying "eat less".
::
:: It's called personal responsibility. Start dealing with it, like
:: dropping the weak excuse of being "naturally fat."

Ah ha....so you just think you know how everything works for everyone.
Naturally.
If moderation worked for everyone, then none of us would really need LC, we
could just do LF or simply eat less of all kinds of foods. You obviously
don't understand why that doesn't work.

bob wrote:
:: It would be inaccurate to say nothing changed. Something did change
:: (weight, waistlines). the problem seems to be that behaviors and
:: habits did not change.

They did not change permanently. Old habits die hard....

bob wrote:
:: It would be inaccurate to say nothing changed. Something did change
:: (weight, waistlines). the problem seems to be that behaviors and
:: habits did not change.

They did not change permanently. Old habits die hard....

nothing changes permamently, except death, and even that has
phases....(having worked next door to the autopsy room, you learn a lot of
weird stuff....)

therefore to say nothing changed is to deny the word has meaning. Losing
weight, even for a month is a change. It may not be that significant, but it
is more significant than someone who never lost weight, and does not even
know it is possible.

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
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bob wrote:
:: It would be inaccurate to say nothing changed. Something did change
:: (weight, waistlines). the problem seems to be that behaviors and
:: habits did not change.

They did not change permanently. Old habits die hard....

"Ignoramus3578" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:24:15 GMT, Tom wrote:
You are correct. It's not like I did a scientific study on myself.
When
I was at normal weight up to my middle 30's, I had no problem with acid
reflux. The shear weight itself of the stomach area being pulled to one
side
may be in fact a greater influence than the diet itself. Because the

While I was fat, I did not have a "huge" stomach. See
http://igor.chudov.com/weightloss/ for pre and post pictures.

My heartburn went away almost immediately after I started dieting, way
before I lost any appreciable weight.

problems disappeared at the same time it is difficult to know for sure.
I
did some experiments in the earlier stage of the diet to see if wheat
products were the key. I did suffer from heartburn that night. But,
thinking
back, it is possible that I ate to much at the time and that could be
the
problem. My achy shoulders could even have been attributed to increased
fat
causing decrease of motion and also lack of muscle around the joint
could
have been a problem. Even in simple observations, there could be many
variations. I can not deny that one possiblity is better than another.
All I
can say is that I feel good right now and I have no physical ailments
due to
the way I eat. Is it just the weightloss itself? It's very possible.

A good decision making approach.

Increased hunger after not being as strict will be my fear. So far

Come on, people are hungry all the time all over the world, it does
not kill them. If you find hunger to be too irritating, come back to
LC.

I am still on low carb, but there is a lot of peer pressure to relax
about my Nazi-like attitude about it. I think that if I relax too much, I'll
go back to eating too much because of hunger. But you are right, if I do
ever decide that eating at an increased carb level causes hunger to be too
unpleasant I could always become more strict.
Recently I have included beans occasionally to my list of allowable
foods. Our homemade chili does not look like regular chili, as the amount of
beans is small. It is largely chunks of cut up steak or roast with some
added onions, celery, and green pepper, spices and A1 steak sauce, tomato
sauce. I try to add little amounts of any higher carb item and see if there
is any noticable affect in new recipes.
The amounts that are included still don't satisfy what my friends would
consider a reasonable diet. It is still to obvious to them that I am eating
lo-carb. The problem really, is that I feel I am eating properly, but
everyone else thinks that their high carb diet is the best. Of course, I am
one of the slimmest among them but that doesn't matter. I think that the
only way to show them is to continue as long as there are no side affects,
and show them that my weight is stable over a period of a few years. I can
not blame anyone who is skeptical as there is a lot of conflicting data on
just about anything you can think of. I myself am like that as well. I like
to see proof rather than follow blindly.
So far the lo-carb style of eating has shown me that lots of people can
be led to believe whatever is spoonfed to them. The fact that high carb has
been touted for so long is evidence of that. Any disagreement with what they
have been taught can cause anger rather than curiosity. I am a little
different. If someone can provide good evidence for a case, I am more
inclined to at least hear the story and try and look up facts to see if it
is plausible. Some of the people that I have talked to about lo-carb can
only repeat the bad things they have heard about it. When asked why they
think pastas, white bread, rice, sugar, and potatoes are necessary and what
vitamins and nutrients they get out of them, they can't think of a good
reason. When I try to explain about their affect on blood sugar and insulin
spikes, it falls on deaf ears. Most people only rely on what is heard in the
news media, or tend to think the food pyramid is the ultimate guide. Sorry,
I've been rambling much longer than I thought. I'll close it off here.
Tom

my weight is managable and I like that my food choices are not
sweet. My energy levels 'feel to me' to be stable and I really like
that.

Ditto.



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" If moderation worked for everyone, then none of us would really need LC,
we
could just do LF or simply eat less of all kinds of foods. You obviously
don't understand why that doesn't work.

Self-control and personal responsibility work for everyone. You just have to
stop the excuses and move on.

" If moderation worked for everyone, then none of us would really need LC,
we
could just do LF or simply eat less of all kinds of foods. You obviously
don't understand why that doesn't work.

Self-control and personal responsibility work for everyone. You just have to
stop the excuses and move on.

self control is not in the reach of everyone, which is the point of this
thread.
the human brain has many permutations, and some individuals have
pathological deficits in self control with respect to food.

more to the point many of us in this forum are somewhere north of this
extreme, where self control is indeed theoretically possible, but much more
difficult than it is for other people. to ignore this is to ignore the
population segment models that have enabled medicine to move forward for the
last 40 years. One solution does not fit all.


"The Low-Carb Bartender" wrote in message
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" If moderation worked for everyone, then none of us would really need
LC, we
could just do LF or simply eat less of all kinds of foods. You obviously
don't understand why that doesn't work.

Self-control and personal responsibility work for everyone. You just have
to stop the excuses and move on.