the eating intelligence

"Ignoramus9727" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:44:33 GMT, Tom wrote:

"Ignoramus5102" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:56:03 GMT, Tom wrote:

I am still on low carb, but there is a lot of peer pressure to
relax
about my Nazi-like attitude about it. I think that if I relax too
much,
I'll
go back to eating too much because of hunger.

If you go off LC, and want to control your weight, you must limit how
much you eat.

Yes. I would then have to count calories.

Not necessary count -- I never counted calories except for a few test
days -- but limit them, yes.

I think I know what you are saying.


But you are right, if I do
ever decide that eating at an increased carb level causes hunger to
be
too
unpleasant I could always become more strict.

Yes. Experiment with adding carbs from vegs first. Add them slowly.
Otherwise it is too easy to lose control, as others report.

My recent choice has been the inclusion of beans and lentils in
limited
amounts because of the higher fiber values. I like to also cut up a
carrot
into a 2 to 3 day supply of salad veggies. Basically what ever I'm
adding is
balanced by carbs verses nutrient value. I also intend to eat manderine
oranges as my dessert during this holiday season. I'll have to try and
limit
what I include because I also want to see if these additions have any
affect
on my former problems of shoulder joint pain(minor), and acid reflux.

Would be an interesting experiment.

Yes. I won't overdo it on any additions. I am very happy at this point
that I have good sleeps from the absence of the acid reflux. I would not
want to risk having it return.



Recently I have included beans occasionally to my list of
allowable
foods. Our homemade chili does not look like regular chili, as the
amount of
beans is small. It is largely chunks of cut up steak or roast with
some
added onions, celery, and green pepper, spices and A1 steak sauce,
tomato
sauce. I try to add little amounts of any higher carb item and see if
there
is any noticable affect in new recipes.
The amounts that are included still don't satisfy what my friends
would
consider a reasonable diet.

Are your friends naturally thin, still fat, or thin because they lost
weight? Unless they are the latter, they will not understand you. I
would not try too hard to satisfy them, and, also, they will respect
you if you stick to your guns.

I am the slimmer than most everyone in my age range(46). These guys
have
basically tried all the weightloss diets without success and have
basically
concluded that this is there fate. They do understand about calories in
and
out and the value of exercise, but find it too hard to stick with any
plan.
The few that have tried lo-carb have resumed their former diets and the
weight has come back. There is only one other guy in my age category
that
remains successful, actually 2 years longer than me. He only discusses
the
diet with me because I am in agreement. His problem is similar to mine.
He
will eat more carbs at work, while at home he eats more strict. I can
see
why he is doing it this way.

Then maybe you can write off their reaction as envy of sorts.

If it is true, it would explain alot.


The younger guys I would have thought to be more open about it. But
they
are more naturally thin and don't understand about trying to lose
weight. Of
course, it's because they are young and don't have those problems yet. I
was
just like them at a younger age. If someone would have told me that I
would
be 30lbs heavier in 10 years, I would have howled with laughter.
I believe that in another 10 years, these guys will go through the
same
thing. Hopefully I will still be at goal weight at that time and can be
of
help to them then.

My thought exactly. I doubt that your weight defines a big part of
your relationship with your friends, so, you can continue your own
thing and be their good friend.

Your probably right.


It is still to obvious to them that I am eating
lo-carb.

So, you are slim, healthy, lost weight, and eating low carb. Sounds
good to me.

It seems odd to me that on one hand a person could say, "Hey you
look great", and aknowledge the health benefits. Then the next day
say that the style of eating is wrong and be concerned about my long
term health. Do they think I'm trading good health benefits now for
worse health later?

It is very difficult to overcome deeply embedded myths.

True.


I think that after a while, your friends may learn something from you.

Other than peer pressure to conform, I have no problems at all with
the
diet. Your right. They can learn from me, but I will have to set an
example
and wait a few years. They have agreed that all the sugar they were
eating
was not good. I think as they gain weight in the future, they will
remember
my experiences. Talk is cheap. It's results that everyone wants to see.

Yes, talk is very cheap and results are the only thing that matters.

Thanks for your insight Ig.


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"Ignoramus9727" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:44:33 GMT, Tom wrote:

"Ignoramus5102" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:56:03 GMT, Tom wrote:

I am still on low carb, but there is a lot of peer pressure to
relax
about my Nazi-like attitude about it. I think that if I relax too
much,
I'll
go back to eating too much because of hunger.

If you go off LC, and want to control your weight, you must limit how
much you eat.

Yes. I would then have to count calories.

Not necessary count -- I never counted calories except for a few test
days -- but limit them, yes.

I think I know what you are saying.


But you are right, if I do
ever decide that eating at an increased carb level causes hunger to
be
too
unpleasant I could always become more strict.

Yes. Experiment with adding carbs from vegs first. Add them slowly.
Otherwise it is too easy to lose control, as others report.

My recent choice has been the inclusion of beans and lentils in
limited
amounts because of the higher fiber values. I like to also cut up a
carrot
into a 2 to 3 day supply of salad veggies. Basically what ever I'm
adding is
balanced by carbs verses nutrient value. I also intend to eat manderine
oranges as my dessert during this holiday season. I'll have to try and
limit
what I include because I also want to see if these additions have any
affect
on my former problems of shoulder joint pain(minor), and acid reflux.

Would be an interesting experiment.

Yes. I won't overdo it on any additions. I am very happy at this point
that I have good sleeps from the absence of the acid reflux. I would not
want to risk having it return.



Recently I have included beans occasionally to my list of
allowable
foods. Our homemade chili does not look like regular chili, as the
amount of
beans is small. It is largely chunks of cut up steak or roast with
some
added onions, celery, and green pepper, spices and A1 steak sauce,
tomato
sauce. I try to add little amounts of any higher carb item and see if
there
is any noticable affect in new recipes.
The amounts that are included still don't satisfy what my friends
would
consider a reasonable diet.

Are your friends naturally thin, still fat, or thin because they lost
weight? Unless they are the latter, they will not understand you. I
would not try too hard to satisfy them, and, also, they will respect
you if you stick to your guns.

I am the slimmer than most everyone in my age range(46). These guys
have
basically tried all the weightloss diets without success and have
basically
concluded that this is there fate. They do understand about calories in
and
out and the value of exercise, but find it too hard to stick with any
plan.
The few that have tried lo-carb have resumed their former diets and the
weight has come back. There is only one other guy in my age category
that
remains successful, actually 2 years longer than me. He only discusses
the
diet with me because I am in agreement. His problem is similar to mine.
He
will eat more carbs at work, while at home he eats more strict. I can
see
why he is doing it this way.

Then maybe you can write off their reaction as envy of sorts.

If it is true, it would explain alot.


The younger guys I would have thought to be more open about it. But
they
are more naturally thin and don't understand about trying to lose
weight. Of
course, it's because they are young and don't have those problems yet. I
was
just like them at a younger age. If someone would have told me that I
would
be 30lbs heavier in 10 years, I would have howled with laughter.
I believe that in another 10 years, these guys will go through the
same
thing. Hopefully I will still be at goal weight at that time and can be
of
help to them then.

My thought exactly. I doubt that your weight defines a big part of
your relationship with your friends, so, you can continue your own
thing and be their good friend.

Your probably right.


It is still to obvious to them that I am eating
lo-carb.

So, you are slim, healthy, lost weight, and eating low carb. Sounds
good to me.

It seems odd to me that on one hand a person could say, "Hey you
look great", and aknowledge the health benefits. Then the next day
say that the style of eating is wrong and be concerned about my long
term health. Do they think I'm trading good health benefits now for
worse health later?

It is very difficult to overcome deeply embedded myths.

True.


I think that after a while, your friends may learn something from you.

Other than peer pressure to conform, I have no problems at all with
the
diet. Your right. They can learn from me, but I will have to set an
example
and wait a few years. They have agreed that all the sugar they were
eating
was not good. I think as they gain weight in the future, they will
remember
my experiences. Talk is cheap. It's results that everyone wants to see.

Yes, talk is very cheap and results are the only thing that matters.

Thanks for your insight Ig.


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223/172.4/180