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Well, this sucks
http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/...bles-does.html
So much for fruits and vegetables are great (at least in terms of helping cancer victims). -- Bob in CT |
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Bob wrote:
http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/...its-and-vegeta... So much for fruits and vegetables are great (at least in terms of helping cancer victims). More fruits and vegetables were not only no better, but "we observed little evidence of recurrence benefit in the quartile of the intervention group that was consuming less than 5 daily servings of vegetables and fruit at baseline." In fact, those eating the fewest servings of fruits ( 1 3/4 servings/day) had identical risks of dying as those eating the most fruits ( 4.4 servings/day). Similarly, the women eating the fewest servings of vegetables ( 2 1/2 servings/day) had slightly lower risks than those eating the most ( 4.8 servings a day). Veggies being better than fruit says to me that lower carb helps. If they include potatoes as a veggie then the group eating less veggies was the lowest carb group. Nor was there any indication in their findings that the percentage of fat in the diet would make a difference, as they saw no dose-related effect on breast cancer events or all-cause mortality. Those eating 28.7-33.4% fat, for instance, had identical risks of dying as those eating the least fat ( 23.8 %). But no tracking of carb intake. Funny how that works. It's also important to note that there was no evidence to support beliefs that being thinner, eating less or being more physically active improved outcomes. The way I read this - Prevention counts more than treatment. All of the folks in the study had cancer when they started in the study. This is a bit like trying low carb on type-2 diabetics who have already progressed to the point that pills no longer work. Once the core damage has reached a certain point, lots of early options no longer work. A study should be done comparing low carb and low fat to see if either helps. This is suggested by the differences in the groups eating fruits vs veggies. A better study would be seeing if higher veggie diet helps prevent cancer. But that would take vast numbers of participants. |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:22:22 -0400, Doug Freyburger
wrote: Bob wrote: http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/...its-and-vegeta... So much for fruits and vegetables are great (at least in terms of helping cancer victims). More fruits and vegetables were not only no better, but "we observed little evidence of recurrence benefit in the quartile of the intervention group that was consuming less than 5 daily servings of vegetables and fruit at baseline." In fact, those eating the fewest servings of fruits ( 1 3/4 servings/day) had identical risks of dying as those eating the most fruits ( 4.4 servings/day). Similarly, the women eating the fewest servings of vegetables ( 2 1/2 servings/day) had slightly lower risks than those eating the most ( 4.8 servings a day). Veggies being better than fruit says to me that lower carb helps. If they include potatoes as a veggie then the group eating less veggies was the lowest carb group. Nor was there any indication in their findings that the percentage of fat in the diet would make a difference, as they saw no dose-related effect on breast cancer events or all-cause mortality. Those eating 28.7-33.4% fat, for instance, had identical risks of dying as those eating the least fat ( 23.8 %). But no tracking of carb intake. Funny how that works. It's also important to note that there was no evidence to support beliefs that being thinner, eating less or being more physically active improved outcomes. The way I read this - Prevention counts more than treatment. All of the folks in the study had cancer when they started in the study. This is a bit like trying low carb on type-2 diabetics who have already progressed to the point that pills no longer work. Once the core damage has reached a certain point, lots of early options no longer work. A study should be done comparing low carb and low fat to see if either helps. This is suggested by the differences in the groups eating fruits vs veggies. A better study would be seeing if higher veggie diet helps prevent cancer. But that would take vast numbers of participants. That's the type of study that should be undertaken. I do believe that many studies (such as the Nurses studies) don't indicate any difference in cancer rates between low and high fat diets, but I'm not sure about carbs. -- Bob in Ct |
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Bob writes:
That's the type of study that should be undertaken. I do believe that many studies (such as the Nurses studies) don't indicate any difference in cancer rates between low and high fat diets, but I'm not sure about carbs. I'm not sure anyone has done a study of high-fat, low-carb diets yet. The closest I've seen is the one that put Atkins up against Ornish, South Beach, and the Zone, in which Atkins kicked the crap out of Ornish by a 2-1 ratio of pounds lost. But that one was mainly self-controlled by the participants, so it's hard to say how well they stuck to the diet, or how many of the Atkins dieters really ate high-fat and how many just pigged out on protein. As I recall, they didn't compare cholesterol numbers. Too bad; it would have been fun to watch them try to explain the big improvement in the LC dieters' blood work. But yes, high-fat vs. low-fat comparison studies always seem to really be comparing high-fat/high-carb to low-fat/high-carb, so it's no wonder they never find much difference. And when they do claim to be studying low-carb diets, they often also limit the calories to starvation levels for no particular reason, which *no* LC diet plan recommends at the beginning, if ever. -- Aaron -- 285/235/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz |
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