Fat people

On Apr 18, 12:33 pm, Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:55:13 -0600, Tiger_Lily wrote
this stuff here :





Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:25:25 -0400, Marshall Price
wrote this stuff here :

Naughty Boy wrote:
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Naughty Boy wrote:
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Naughty Boy wrote:
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Naughty Boy wrote:
WaCoder wrote in
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Pete wrote:
Today, i would like to discuss fat people with all of you...
What do we know about fat people? Other than that they are obese,
i mean...

Generally speaking, fat people are lazy and stupid.
This is the most insulting, uninformed, prejudiced, bigoted
statement I have ever heard in my life. If you had replaced "fat"
with "black" or "Mexican", you would have been dismissed out of
hand as a bigot, racist, stupid and not worth the time of day. But
just because you're bashing fat ppl, you think you can get away
with it. For shame....
Not really. Black or Mexican people had no choice as to what race
they were born. Fat people do it to themselves.
Is that how bariatricians explain it, or do we have to rely on you
for the straight dope?
How else do fat people get fat?

Certainly not by being lazy or stupid.

What theories do you have? let's hear them!

untreated hypothyroid for 3 years because my GP didn't want to add
thyroid meds to diabetes meds

is that good enough for you?

kate
The old "thyroid" bull**** excuse. I was wondering how long it would take
for that one to come up.

What makes you presume to imply thyroid diseases don't exist? I can't
imagine why you want to flaunt such ignorance in public.

For every one million fatasses their might be ONE with some thyroid
condition. Most fattys are fat because they eat too much food and do
not exercise.

i lost 30 lbs in the first 3 mo of synthroid treatment

look up Hashimoto's and i hope YOU don't have to deal with this soon

at 5'6" i have weighed 125 lbs since high school........... over 30
years ago

ok, back to you on your high horse

kate

I noticed you didn't deny it's probably 1 in 1 million.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"1.) Up to 27 million Americans may be affected by thyroid disorders,
although more than half remain undiagnosed."
This number may actually be a substantial underestimate of the actual
number of people affected.
According to Vahab Fatourechi, MD, of the Division of Endocrinology,
Diabetes, Metabolism and Nutrition at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, if the
upper limit of normal range of the TSH test were reduced from 5.0 to
3.0, as recommended by the American Association of Clinical
Endocrinologists and the National Academy of Clinical Biochemistry,
there would be a 3-fold increase in the diagnosis of hypothyroidism.

Dr. Fatourechi's estimates, which were reported in the Mayo
Endocrinology Update, mean that an additional 22 million to 28 million
people would be hypothyroid.

The actual number of people with thyroid disease, therefore, is likely
far higher, falling somewhere in the range of 49 million to 55 million
people.

http://thyroid.about.com/od/publicaw...7awareness.htm

Possibly 49 to 55 million people are affected with some form of
thyroid disease in the US alone. So out of 300 million in the US it
could be approx. 20%. of the population could be affected. I'm not
saying everyone with a weight issue has a thyroid problem but it does
seem that there could be a lot more of them out there than one would
believe.

Ragnar

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, Ragnar wrote:

I noticed you didn't deny it's probably 1 in 1 million.- Hide quoted text -

"1.) Up to 27 million Americans may be affected by thyroid disorders,
although more than half remain undiagnosed."
This number may actually be a substantial underestimate of the actual
number of people affected.

Hasn't Kenny's inability to understand quotes from the doctors who
conducted a medical study prove the futility of even trying?

Here you are, offering a bigot troll an actual quote from a medical doctor
who knows what the flip they are talking about. However, it violates the
very foundation of the troll's bigoted attatude. As such, the troll will
ignore the fact, and instead rely on their previously stated opinion.

The actual number of people with thyroid disease, therefore, is likely
far higher, falling somewhere in the range of 49 million to 55 million
people.

At the above mentioned 1:1,000,000 ratio, 50,000,000 cases would require
the population of the USA to be 50,000,000,000,000 people. Since it's
not, rather then adjust the fictional ratio, the troll will attack either
the doctor's credability, or your ability to understand the quote.

On Apr 18, 2:56*pm, The Master
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, Ragnar wrote:
I noticed you didn't deny it's probably 1 in 1 million.- Hide quoted text -

"1.) Up to 27 million Americans may be affected by thyroid disorders,
although more than half remain undiagnosed."
This number may actually be a substantial underestimate of the actual
number of people affected.

Hasn't Kenny's inability to understand quotes from the doctors who
conducted a medical study prove the futility of even trying?

Kenny's inability to understand quotes doesn't concern me. The village
idiot isn't expected to understand everything that the more
intelligent members of the town do

Here you are, offering a bigot troll an actual quote from a medical doctor
who knows what the flip they are talking about. *However, it violates the
very foundation of the troll's bigoted attatude. *As such, the troll will
ignore the fact, and instead rely on their previously stated opinion.

That’s right, here I am slamming it back in the bigoted troll's face.
How he or she chooses to twist the evidence around is not a concern as
well. It doesn’t really matter to me because in reality they cannot
escape their delusional pretenses.

The actual number of people with thyroid disease, therefore, is likely
far higher, falling somewhere in the range of 49 million to 55 million
people.

At the above mentioned 1:1,000,000 ratio, 50,000,000 cases would require
the population of the USA to be 50,000,000,000,000 people. *Since it's
not, rather then adjust the fictional ratio, the troll will attack either
the doctor's credability, or your ability to understand the quote.

Well then obviously the joke is on them now isn’t it. Why worry? Fools
will be fools.

Ragnar

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Ragnar
wrote:

On Apr 18, 12:33 pm, Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:55:13 -0600, Tiger_Lily wrote
this stuff here :





Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:25:25 -0400, Marshall Price
wrote this stuff here :

Naughty Boy wrote:
Tiger_Lily wrote in
:

Naughty Boy wrote:
Marshall Price wrote in
:

Naughty Boy wrote:
Marshall Price wrote in
news:Z7qdnWpVRfQX9WranZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@eart hlink.com:

Naughty Boy wrote:
WaCoder wrote in
:

Pete wrote:
Today, i would like to discuss fat people with all of you...
What do we know about fat people? Other than that they are obese,
i mean...

Generally speaking, fat people are lazy and stupid.
This is the most insulting, uninformed, prejudiced, bigoted
statement I have ever heard in my life. If you had replaced "fat"
with "black" or "Mexican", you would have been dismissed out of
hand as a bigot, racist, stupid and not worth the time of day. But
just because you're bashing fat ppl, you think you can get away
with it. For shame....
Not really. Black or Mexican people had no choice as to what race
they were born. Fat people do it to themselves.
Is that how bariatricians explain it, or do we have to rely on you
for the straight dope?
How else do fat people get fat?

Certainly not by being lazy or stupid.

What theories do you have? let's hear them!

untreated hypothyroid for 3 years because my GP didn't want to add
thyroid meds to diabetes meds

is that good enough for you?

kate
The old "thyroid" bull**** excuse. I was wondering how long it would take
for that one to come up.

What makes you presume to imply thyroid diseases don't exist? I can't
imagine why you want to flaunt such ignorance in public.

For every one million fatasses their might be ONE with some thyroid
condition. Most fattys are fat because they eat too much food and do
not exercise.

i lost 30 lbs in the first 3 mo of synthroid treatment

look up Hashimoto's and i hope YOU don't have to deal with this soon

at 5'6" i have weighed 125 lbs since high school........... over 30
years ago

ok, back to you on your high horse

kate

I noticed you didn't deny it's probably 1 in 1 million.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"1.) Up to 27 million Americans may be affected by thyroid disorders,
although more than half remain undiagnosed."
This number may actually be a substantial underestimate of the actual
number of people affected.
According to Vahab Fatourechi, MD, of the Division of Endocrinology,
Diabetes, Metabolism and Nutrition at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, if the
upper limit of normal range of the TSH test were reduced from 5.0 to
3.0, as recommended by the American Association of Clinical
Endocrinologists and the National Academy of Clinical Biochemistry,
there would be a 3-fold increase in the diagnosis of hypothyroidism.

Dr. Fatourechi's estimates, which were reported in the Mayo
Endocrinology Update, mean that an additional 22 million to 28 million
people would be hypothyroid.

The actual number of people with thyroid disease, therefore, is likely
far higher, falling somewhere in the range of 49 million to 55 million
people.

http://thyroid.about.com/od/publicaw...7awareness.htm

Possibly 49 to 55 million people are affected with some form of
thyroid disease in the US alone. So out of 300 million in the US it
could be approx. 20%. of the population could be affected. I'm not
saying everyone with a weight issue has a thyroid problem but it does
seem that there could be a lot more of them out there than one would
believe.

Ragnar

Just going from the part you quoted above, I find it ignorant and
hypocritical that you, a person who always seems to be suspicious of
any information on obesity given by the medical community at large,
would be wholeheartedly accepting an admitted guess about thyroid
disorders from a group of people (Mayo Clinic and Endocrinologists in
general) who stand to make more money the more thyroid problems they
can uncover.

Dr. Fatourechi wouldn't happen to be on the advisory board of any
thyroid treatment producing pharmaceutical companies, would he?

That is an outlandish figure that would make thyroid problems more
common than colds and it is an admitted estimate, yet you choose to
promote it as evidence of something.

I guess any info that fits your agenda, right?

Jade

On Apr 21, 12:04*pm, Daedalus wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Ragnar





wrote:
On Apr 18, 12:33 pm, Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:55:13 -0600, Tiger_Lily wrote
this stuff here :

Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:25:25 -0400, Marshall Price
wrote this stuff here :

Naughty Boy wrote:
Tiger_Lily wrote in
:

Naughty Boy wrote:
Marshall Price wrote in
:

Naughty Boy wrote:
Marshall Price wrote in
news:Z7qdnWpVRfQX9WranZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@eart hlink.com:

Naughty Boy wrote:
WaCoder wrote in
:

Pete wrote:
Today, i would like to discuss fat people with all of you....
What do we know about fat people? Other than that they are obese,
i mean...

Generally speaking, fat people are lazy and stupid.
This is the most insulting, uninformed, prejudiced, bigoted
statement I have ever heard in my life. If you had replaced "fat"
with "black" or "Mexican", you would have been dismissed out of
hand as a bigot, racist, stupid and not worth the time of day. But
just because you're bashing fat ppl, you think you can get away
with it. For shame....
Not really. Black or Mexican people had no choice as to what race
they were born. Fat people do it to themselves.
Is that how bariatricians explain it, or do we have to rely on you
for the straight dope?
How else do fat people get fat?

Certainly not by being lazy or stupid.

What theories do you have? let's hear them!

untreated hypothyroid for 3 years because my GP didn't want to add
thyroid meds to diabetes meds

is that good enough for you?

kate
The old "thyroid" bull**** excuse. I was wondering how long it would take
for that one to come up.

What makes you presume to imply thyroid diseases don't exist? *I can't
imagine why you want to flaunt such ignorance in public.

For every one million fatasses their might be ONE with some thyroid
condition. Most fattys are fat because they eat too much food and do
not exercise.

i lost 30 lbs in the first 3 mo of synthroid treatment

look up Hashimoto's and i hope YOU don't have to deal with this soon

at 5'6" i have weighed 125 lbs since high school........... over 30
years ago

ok, back to you on your high horse

kate

I noticed you didn't deny it's probably 1 in 1 million.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"1.) Up to 27 million Americans may be affected by thyroid disorders,
although more than half remain undiagnosed."
This number may actually be a substantial underestimate of the actual
number of people affected.
According to Vahab Fatourechi, MD, of the Division of Endocrinology,
Diabetes, Metabolism and Nutrition at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, if the
upper limit of normal range of the TSH test were reduced from 5.0 to
3.0, as recommended by the American Association of Clinical
Endocrinologists and the National Academy of Clinical Biochemistry,
there would be a 3-fold increase in the diagnosis of hypothyroidism.

Dr. Fatourechi's estimates, which were reported in the Mayo
Endocrinology Update, mean that an additional 22 million to 28 million
people would be hypothyroid.

The actual number of people with thyroid disease, therefore, is likely
far higher, falling somewhere in the range of 49 million to 55 million
people.

http://thyroid.about.com/od/publicaw...7awareness.htm

Possibly 49 to 55 million people are affected with some form of
thyroid disease in the US alone. So out of 300 million in the US it
could be approx. 20%. of the population could be affected. I'm not
saying everyone with a weight issue has a thyroid problem but it does
seem that there could be a lot more of them out there than one would
believe.

Ragnar

Just going from the part you quoted above, I find it ignorant and
hypocritical that you, a person who always seems to be suspicious of
any information on obesity given by the medical community at large,
would be wholeheartedly accepting an admitted guess about thyroid
disorders from a group of people (Mayo Clinic and Endocrinologists in
general) who stand to make more money the more thyroid problems they
can uncover.

Jade I was only commenting on what might or might not be. I never
spoke in absolutes. Please re-read. The only thing ignorant here is
you bitch. Your continuous running off at the mouth is getting
tiresome.
My comment was directed toward the possible number of those affected
by some form of thyroid disorder not the correlation between thyroid
issues and obesity. If you go back and read I only suggested that the
number of obese people COULD be affected with thyroid disease and
never made any claims that the numbers claimed in the article were in
fact hard data.
In fact I do believe that the article itself states as such and only
suggests that the numbers quoted could be real. I any event doctors
will not treat someone for thyroid issues unless the patient is
afflicted with thyroid disease so how can anyone profit from inflating
the numbers. Do you think that suddenly people are just going to
willingly go to their physician and get treated for diseases they
don’t have? You’re an idiot and stop fishing for an argument that
isn’t there.
If the Mayo Clinic is trying to inflate numbers in order to receive
more funding for research then so be it. You got something against
healthcare R&D? It not like they are trying to push the latest diet
fad or inflate the number of deaths attributed to a perticular
affiction.

Dr. Fatourechi wouldn't happen to be on the advisory board of any
thyroid treatment producing pharmaceutical companies, would he?

I don’t know and I don’t care. Maybe he just receives grant money from
big pharma, most research facilities do. Are you trying to say he has
a hidden agenda? Isn’t that what many members of this group have been
suggesting about medical research and the diet industry? Again you
seem to be laboring under the idea that I’m pushing his numbers as
real hard facts.

That is an outlandish figure that would make thyroid problems more
common than colds and it is an admitted estimate, yet you choose to
promote it as evidence of something.

I guess any info that fits your agenda, right?

Wrong as usual dumbass, I never claimed his numbers to be 100%
factual. Show me where I made that claim.

Besides you stupid fool, some forms of thyroid disease can go
undiagnosed for years in individuals so real numbers are difficult to
verify. Minor elevated or decreased levels of thyroid hormone can be
present in people without physical symptoms of the disease being
noticeable. My wife had thyroid issues for years and no one ever
picked up on it because the symptoms didn’t manifest themselves
readily. That being the case who really knows how many people could be
affected and any proposed number can only be looked at as
supposition.

Does that sound like an agenda building case to you moron? Look for an
argument elsewhere, you failed at finding one here.

Ragnar

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:03:07 -0700 (PDT), Ragnar
wrote:

On Apr 21, 12:04*pm, Daedalus wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Ragnar





wrote:
On Apr 18, 12:33 pm, Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:55:13 -0600, Tiger_Lily wrote
this stuff here :

Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:25:25 -0400, Marshall Price
wrote this stuff here :

Naughty Boy wrote:
Tiger_Lily wrote in
:

Naughty Boy wrote:
Marshall Price wrote in
:

Naughty Boy wrote:
Marshall Price wrote in
news:Z7qdnWpVRfQX9WranZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@eart hlink.com:

Naughty Boy wrote:
WaCoder wrote in
:

Pete wrote:
Today, i would like to discuss fat people with all of you...
What do we know about fat people? Other than that they are obese,
i mean...

Generally speaking, fat people are lazy and stupid.
This is the most insulting, uninformed, prejudiced, bigoted
statement I have ever heard in my life. If you had replaced "fat"
with "black" or "Mexican", you would have been dismissed out of
hand as a bigot, racist, stupid and not worth the time of day. But
just because you're bashing fat ppl, you think you can get away
with it. For shame....
Not really. Black or Mexican people had no choice as to what race
they were born. Fat people do it to themselves.
Is that how bariatricians explain it, or do we have to rely on you
for the straight dope?
How else do fat people get fat?

Certainly not by being lazy or stupid.

What theories do you have? let's hear them!

untreated hypothyroid for 3 years because my GP didn't want to add
thyroid meds to diabetes meds

is that good enough for you?

kate
The old "thyroid" bull**** excuse. I was wondering how long it would take
for that one to come up.

What makes you presume to imply thyroid diseases don't exist? *I can't
imagine why you want to flaunt such ignorance in public.

For every one million fatasses their might be ONE with some thyroid
condition. Most fattys are fat because they eat too much food and do
not exercise.

i lost 30 lbs in the first 3 mo of synthroid treatment

look up Hashimoto's and i hope YOU don't have to deal with this soon

at 5'6" i have weighed 125 lbs since high school........... over 30
years ago

ok, back to you on your high horse

kate

I noticed you didn't deny it's probably 1 in 1 million.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"1.) Up to 27 million Americans may be affected by thyroid disorders,
although more than half remain undiagnosed."
This number may actually be a substantial underestimate of the actual
number of people affected.
According to Vahab Fatourechi, MD, of the Division of Endocrinology,
Diabetes, Metabolism and Nutrition at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, if the
upper limit of normal range of the TSH test were reduced from 5.0 to
3.0, as recommended by the American Association of Clinical
Endocrinologists and the National Academy of Clinical Biochemistry,
there would be a 3-fold increase in the diagnosis of hypothyroidism.

Dr. Fatourechi's estimates, which were reported in the Mayo
Endocrinology Update, mean that an additional 22 million to 28 million
people would be hypothyroid.

The actual number of people with thyroid disease, therefore, is likely
far higher, falling somewhere in the range of 49 million to 55 million
people.

http://thyroid.about.com/od/publicaw...7awareness.htm

Possibly 49 to 55 million people are affected with some form of
thyroid disease in the US alone. So out of 300 million in the US it
could be approx. 20%. of the population could be affected. I'm not
saying everyone with a weight issue has a thyroid problem but it does
seem that there could be a lot more of them out there than one would
believe.

Ragnar

Just going from the part you quoted above, I find it ignorant and
hypocritical that you, a person who always seems to be suspicious of
any information on obesity given by the medical community at large,
would be wholeheartedly accepting an admitted guess about thyroid
disorders from a group of people (Mayo Clinic and Endocrinologists in
general) who stand to make more money the more thyroid problems they
can uncover.

Jade I was only commenting on what might or might not be. I never
spoke in absolutes.

You missed the point, dip****, or rather you're avoiding it. If
someone posted an AMA article "estimating" that 50% of fat people will
die early from cancer, you'd be pitching a fit over the diet
industry's ownership of the medical community and any other reason you
could think of to doubt the truth of it. Yet here you are posting
something equally questionable and calling it a viable possibility.
Hy-Po-Crite.

Please re-read. The only thing ignorant here is
you bitch. Your continuous running off at the mouth is getting
tiresome.

Hypocrite

My comment was directed toward the possible number of those affected
by some form of thyroid disorder not the correlation between thyroid
issues and obesity.

I never said you were relating it. See above. That is undoubtedly
where this discussion was headed however.

If you go back and read I only suggested that the
number of obese people COULD be affected with thyroid disease and
never made any claims that the numbers claimed in the article were in
fact hard data.

But it is a viable possiblity in your mind, because this one fits your
agenda.

In fact I do believe that the article itself states as such and only
suggests that the numbers quoted could be real.

Not only that. They go on to ridiculously state that the numbers could
only be real if they changed the definition of what a thyroid disorder
was.

I clearly understood this when I wrote my post which you did not get
at all.

I any event doctors
will not treat someone for thyroid issues unless the patient is
afflicted with thyroid disease so how can anyone profit from inflating
the numbers.

Are you serious?

Do you think that suddenly people are just going to
willingly go to their physician and get treated for diseases they
don’t have?

Of course they are. It happens all the time. That's how the ADD
industry came to be a booming business.

It makes it much easier when they change the definition of thyroid
problems.

You’re an idiot and stop fishing for an argument that
isn’t there.

Actually, that's what you were setting up to do. I'm calling you on
it.

If the Mayo Clinic is trying to inflate numbers in order to receive
more funding for research then so be it.

And if inflated numbers help you argue with people on usenet, then who
cares if it is real data or a guess?

You got something against
healthcare R&D? It not like they are trying to push the latest diet
fad or inflate the number of deaths attributed to a perticular
affiction.

It is exactly like that, dummy. Guess where much of the R&D money
comes from?

And guess who benefits from the R&D money they spend -

You're still not getting it, are you?


Dr. Fatourechi wouldn't happen to be on the advisory board of any
thyroid treatment producing pharmaceutical companies, would he?

I don’t know and I don’t care.

So you post questionable information to prove a point on usenet and
admit not caring whether it is completely inaccurate or even
intentionally perverted?

Some integrity you got there.

Maybe he just receives grant money from
big pharma, most research facilities do.

And theyare usually pressured to pay it back in new drug patents or in
research data that supports the business. That is the only reason that
grant money is ever given.

Are you trying to say he has
a hidden agenda?

I don't know, but unlike you, I care to know.

Isn’t that what many members of this group have been
suggesting about medical research and the diet industry?

LOLOLOLOL! Jesus ****ing Christ! the monkey and the keyboard axiom
comes to life.

You didn't read my post at all, did you?

Again you
seem to be laboring under the idea that I’m pushing his numbers as
real hard facts.

Nope. Your protobrain once again imported thoughts that never appeared
on usenet.

Please reread what I posted. You will look far less like a fool next
time you respond to me.


That is an outlandish figure that would make thyroid problems more
common than colds and it is an admitted estimate, yet you choose to
promote it as evidence of something.

I guess any info that fits your agenda, right?

Wrong as usual dumbass, I never claimed his numbers to be 100%
factual. Show me where I made that claim.

You presented the estimates as evidence, Ragnar. You felt that they
proved there was a possibility of massive thyroid epidemics or you
would not have posted them. People don't post things they think are
wrong in an argument, even people as stupid as you.


Besides you stupid fool, some forms of thyroid disease can go
undiagnosed for years in individuals so real numbers are difficult to
verify.

No ****. That's why making an estimate that one in six people has one
is pretty ****ing ridiculous. Doing a good job here tearing apart your
own post. Do you still think that the good Dr's estimate is a viable
possiblity?

Minor elevated or decreased levels of thyroid hormone can be
present in people without physical symptoms of the disease being
noticeable. My wife had thyroid issues for years and no one ever
picked up on it because the symptoms didn’t manifest themselves
readily. That being the case who really knows how many people could be
affected and any proposed number can only be looked at as
supposition.

Nobody knows. Yet you posted it as though it meant something.



Does that sound like an agenda building case to you moron? Look for an
argument elsewhere, you failed at finding one here.

oops. Guess you got me there. lol

hypocrite.

Jade

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Daedalus wrote:

"1.) Up to 27 million Americans may be affected by thyroid disorders,
although more than half remain undiagnosed."

You missed the point, dip****, or rather you're avoiding it. If
someone posted an AMA article "estimating" that 50% of fat people will
die early from cancer, you'd be pitching a fit over the diet
industry's ownership of the medical community and any other reason you
could think of to doubt the truth of it. Yet here you are posting
something equally questionable and calling it a viable possibility.
Hy-Po-Crite.

How many people are diagnosed with hypothyroid? Rather then using the 49
million "revised estimate", is the 27 million by "current standard"
accepted? If we assume the real value is 20 million, and only half are
diagnosed, that would be 10 million have been diagnosed. Is that about
correct? 10 million diagnosed, assuming a 50/50 split for hypo vrs hyper,
that leaves 5 million diagnosed with hypothyroidism. Is that a figure
that is agreed upon?

My comment was directed toward the possible number of those affected
by some form of thyroid disorder not the correlation between thyroid
issues and obesity.

I never said you were relating it. See above. That is undoubtedly
where this discussion was headed however.

Well, someone that shall remain nameless has said that the ratio of
hypothiroidism to normal is 1 out of 1 million. So, doing the math... 5
million americans with hypo, times the 1 million ratio... That would
require the United States Population to be 5 trillion. What's the
population of the United States again? For that matter, what's the
population of the entire world?

I do believe the 1:1 million ratio is a tad off.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:10:43 +0000, The Master
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Daedalus wrote:

"1.) Up to 27 million Americans may be affected by thyroid disorders,
although more than half remain undiagnosed."

You missed the point, dip****, or rather you're avoiding it. If
someone posted an AMA article "estimating" that 50% of fat people will
die early from cancer, you'd be pitching a fit over the diet
industry's ownership of the medical community and any other reason you
could think of to doubt the truth of it. Yet here you are posting
something equally questionable and calling it a viable possibility.
Hy-Po-Crite.

How many people are diagnosed with hypothyroid? Rather then using the 49
million "revised estimate", is the 27 million by "current standard"
accepted? If we assume the real value is 20 million, and only half are
diagnosed, that would be 10 million have been diagnosed. Is that about
correct? 10 million diagnosed, assuming a 50/50 split for hypo vrs hyper,
that leaves 5 million diagnosed with hypothyroidism. Is that a figure
that is agreed upon?

I don't know. My argument here is only that Ragnar is a hypocrite.


My comment was directed toward the possible number of those affected
by some form of thyroid disorder not the correlation between thyroid
issues and obesity.

I never said you were relating it. See above. That is undoubtedly
where this discussion was headed however.

Well, someone that shall remain nameless has said that the ratio of
hypothiroidism to normal is 1 out of 1 million. So, doing the math... 5
million americans with hypo, times the 1 million ratio... That would
require the United States Population to be 5 trillion. What's the
population of the United States again? For that matter, what's the
population of the entire world?

I do believe the 1:1 million ratio is a tad off.


1 in a million is a ridiculous figure if taken literally. I think the
poster who said that figuratively meant that people who were obese due
to thyroid problems were very rare. I would agree with that.

My point, once again, was that Ragnar tried to rebut the poster with
specious medical claims when he has a history of railing against what
he considers to be specious medical claims.

Jade

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Daedalus wrote:

1 in a million is a ridiculous figure if taken literally. I think the
poster who said that figuratively meant that people who were obese due
to thyroid problems were very rare. I would agree with that.

Quite possibly. And if you want to address it like that, I'll accept it.

My point, once again, was that Ragnar tried to rebut the poster with
specious medical claims when he has a history of railing against what
he considers to be specious medical claims.

Carry on with your flame war.

On Apr 21, 1:46*pm, Daedalus wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:03:07 -0700 (PDT), Ragnar

wrote:
On Apr 21, 12:04*pm, Daedalus wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Ragnar

wrote:
On Apr 18, 12:33 pm, Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:55:13 -0600, Tiger_Lily wrote
this stuff here :

Always Learning wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:25:25 -0400, Marshall Price
wrote this stuff here :

Naughty Boy wrote:
Tiger_Lily wrote in
:

Naughty Boy wrote:
Marshall Price wrote in
:

Naughty Boy wrote:
Marshall Price wrote in
news:Z7qdnWpVRfQX9WranZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@eart hlink.com:

Naughty Boy wrote:
WaCoder wrote in
:

Pete wrote:
Today, i would like to discuss fat people with all of you...
What do we know about fat people? Other than that they are obese,
i mean...

Generally speaking, fat people are lazy and stupid.
This is the most insulting, uninformed, prejudiced, bigoted
statement I have ever heard in my life. If you had replaced "fat"
with "black" or "Mexican", you would have been dismissed out of
hand as a bigot, racist, stupid and not worth the time of day. But
just because you're bashing fat ppl, you think you can get away
with it. For shame....
Not really. Black or Mexican people had no choice as to what race
they were born. Fat people do it to themselves.
Is that how bariatricians explain it, or do we have to rely on you
for the straight dope?
How else do fat people get fat?

Certainly not by being lazy or stupid.

What theories do you have? let's hear them!

untreated hypothyroid for 3 years because my GP didn't want to add
thyroid meds to diabetes meds

is that good enough for you?

kate
The old "thyroid" bull**** excuse. I was wondering how long it would take
for that one to come up.

What makes you presume to imply thyroid diseases don't exist? *I can't
imagine why you want to flaunt such ignorance in public.

For every one million fatasses their might be ONE with some thyroid
condition. Most fattys are fat because they eat too much food and do
not exercise.

i lost 30 lbs in the first 3 mo of synthroid treatment

look up Hashimoto's and i hope YOU don't have to deal with this soon

at 5'6" i have weighed 125 lbs since high school........... over 30
years ago

ok, back to you on your high horse

kate

I noticed you didn't deny it's probably 1 in 1 million.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"1.) Up to 27 million Americans may be affected by thyroid disorders,
although more than half remain undiagnosed."
This number may actually be a substantial underestimate of the actual
number of people affected.
According to Vahab Fatourechi, MD, of the Division of Endocrinology,
Diabetes, Metabolism and Nutrition at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, if the
upper limit of normal range of the TSH test were reduced from 5.0 to
3.0, as recommended by the American Association of Clinical
Endocrinologists and the National Academy of Clinical Biochemistry,
there would be a 3-fold increase in the diagnosis of hypothyroidism.

Dr. Fatourechi's estimates, which were reported in the Mayo
Endocrinology Update, mean that an additional 22 million to 28 million
people would be hypothyroid.

The actual number of people with thyroid disease, therefore, is likely
far higher, falling somewhere in the range of 49 million to 55 million
people.

http://thyroid.about.com/od/publicaw...7awareness.htm

Possibly 49 to 55 million people are affected with some form of
thyroid disease in the US alone. So out of 300 million in the US it
could be approx. 20%. of the population could be affected. I'm not
saying everyone with a weight issue has a thyroid problem but it does
seem that there could be a lot more of them out there than one would
believe.

Ragnar

Just going from the part you quoted above, I find it ignorant and
hypocritical that you, a person who always seems to be suspicious of
any information on obesity given by the medical community at large,
would be wholeheartedly accepting an admitted guess about thyroid
disorders from a group of people (Mayo Clinic and Endocrinologists in
general) who stand to make more money the more thyroid problems they
can uncover.

Jade I was only commenting on what might or might not be. I never
spoke in absolutes.

You missed the point, dip****, or rather you're avoiding it. If
someone posted an AMA article "estimating" that 50% of fat people will
die early from cancer, you'd be pitching a fit over the diet
industry's ownership of the medical community and any other reason you
could think of to doubt the truth of it. Yet here you are posting
something equally questionable and calling it a viable possibility.
Hy-Po-Crite.

You missed the entire point asswipe; I only presented some an article
that may have shed some light on what a poster was questioning. The
“always learning” stated something to the effect that thyroid
disorders only affect 1 in a million people. I present some numbers
that contradicted his or her ludicrous claims. I never presented them
as completely undeniably factual. Do you have supportable numbers to
the contrary, I’d love to see them?

Besides dumbass show me where I ever pitched a fit over cancer rates
and a supposed correlation to obesity. People post inflammatory
articles that at times even contradict each other and you rarely see
me making statement as you claim I do. You obviously are still fishing
for an argument. Is your life that lacking for entertainment? You
pathetic piece of ****. What’s the matter you ugly slob? Still can’t
get laid on the weekends?

Please re-read. The only thing ignorant here is
you bitch. Your continuous running off at the mouth is getting
tiresome.

Hypocrite

Idiot

My comment was directed toward the possible number of those affected
by some form of thyroid disorder not the correlation between thyroid
issues and obesity.

I never said you were relating it. See above. That is undoubtedly
where this discussion was headed however.

Okay, now Jade can read minds. Got anymore tricks for us dumbass?
HEY EVERYBODY JADES SHOWING OFF HER POWERS OF CLAIRVOYANCE! COME SEE
THE SHOW!
What’s next, communication with the dead?

You really are a presumptuous ass.

If you go back and read I only suggested that the
number of obese people COULD be affected with thyroid disease and
never made any claims that the numbers claimed in the article were in
fact hard data.

But it is a viable possiblity in your mind, because this one fits your
agenda.

Viable or not, it is a possibility just like it might not be. I can’t
say for certain, nor can you. But you do seem to think that the
numbers are bogus so why don’t you set me straight and produce some
more accurate numbers that are verifiable.

In fact I do believe that the article itself states as such and only
suggests that the numbers quoted could be real.

Not only that. They go on to ridiculously state that the numbers could
only be real if they changed the definition of what a thyroid disorder
was.

The article suggests lowering the upper limit of the TSH test from .
05 to 5 down to .03 to 3 as recommended by the American Association of
Clinical Endocrinologists and the National Academy of Clinical
Biochemistry. But it doesn’t give a reason why. So commenting on that
is irrelevant. You have no clue regarding the reasoning behind the
testing threshold so you are not qualified to dispute it.

I clearly understood this when I wrote my post which you did not get
at all. *

More of Jade’s circle jerk bull**** noted. You clearly recognized
nothing of the sort in your pitiful attempt at an argument.

I any event doctors
will not treat someone for thyroid issues unless the patient is
afflicted with thyroid disease so how can anyone profit from inflating
the numbers.

Are you serious?

Yes very, a miss or false diagnosis of thyroid disease can lead to
serious health complications or even death. No competent doctor would
take that kind of chance, so providing inflated study numbers
translates to nothing in the real world.

Do you think that suddenly people are just going to
willingly go to their physician and get treated for diseases they
don’t have?

Of course they are. It happens all the time. That's how the ADD
industry came to be a booming business.

It makes it much easier when they change the definition of thyroid
problems.

ADHD and thyroid are very different issues. Diagnosing thyroid
disease requires lab blood analysis and as I stated before a
misdiagnosis of a thyroid issue can lead to serious health
consequences VERY rapidly. In other words provide a bad diagnosis and
prescribe the wrong meds and the patient can die. While ADHD only
requires sociological profiling of the suspected individual and the
meds prescribed do not carry the same health risks.
Prescribing the wrong meds for a thyroid issue can be just as deadly
as prescribing the wrong heart medication for a person that doesn’t
need it. Maybe you should brush up on thyroid disease and the meds
provide for such diseases before you make anymore ludicrous statement
and embarrass your self further.

You are a certifiable idiot. You obviously know nothing about hypo or
hyperthyroidism and what constitutes the disease.

You’re an idiot and stop fishing for an argument that
isn’t there.

Actually, that's what you were setting up to do. I'm calling you on
it.

Yeah okay you are privy to what’s in my head. LOL.

If the Mayo Clinic is trying to inflate numbers in order to receive
more funding for research then so be it.

And if inflated numbers help you argue with people on usenet, then who
cares if it is real data or a guess?

You still haven't proven that the numbers are inflated and I wasn’t
arguing, that point seems to escape you constantly.

You got something against
healthcare R&D? It not like they are trying to push the latest diet
fad or inflate the number of deaths attributed to a perticular
affiction.

It is exactly like that, dummy. Guess where much of the R&D money
comes from?

And guess who benefits from the R&D money they spend -

You're still not getting it, are you?

Everyone benefits that’s how it works. Pharmaceuticals make money and
those afflicted with the disease get a cure or a way to control their
affliction.

If you think it works any other way then you are obviously paranoid
delusional. It matters not the motive.



Dr. Fatourechi wouldn't happen to be on the advisory board of any
thyroid treatment producing pharmaceutical companies, would he?

I don’t know and I don’t care.

So you post questionable information to prove a point on usenet and
admit not caring whether it is completely inaccurate or even
intentionally perverted?

Some integrity you got there.

So you can’t disprove the numbers so you attack the integrity of the
poster and the data provided, how typical of you Jade.
Look at it this way, if integrity was what I was after I would be
dignifying you with a response now would I?

Maybe he just receives grant money from
big pharma, most research facilities do.

And theyare usually pressured to pay it back in new drug patents or in
research data that supports the business. That is the only reason that
grant money is ever given.

So you are saying that all grant supported medical research is
tainted?

Are you trying to say he has
a hidden agenda?

I don't know, but unlike you, I care to know.

Yeah of course you do. Why don’t you investigate and report back to
me plebe.

Isn’t that what many members of this group have been
suggesting about medical research and the diet industry?

LOLOLOLOL! Jesus ****ing Christ! the monkey and the keyboard axiom
comes to life.

You didn't read my post at all, did you?

Frankly Jade your posts get so predictable that reading them becomes
a matter of wading through bull**** and never getting anything
conclusive.

Again you
seem to be laboring under the idea that I’m pushing his numbers as
real hard facts.

Nope. Your protobrain once again imported thoughts that never appeared
on usenet.

Please reread what I posted. You will look far less like a fool next
time you respond to me.

Then what is your point you mean you haven’t been attacking me for
posting unverifiable data and claiming it is for real? Did you spew so
much bull**** that you forget your own argument? LOL.


That is an outlandish figure that would make thyroid problems more
common than colds and it is an admitted estimate, yet you choose to
promote it as evidence of something.

I guess any info that fits your agenda, right?

Wrong as usual dumbass, I never claimed his numbers to be 100%
factual. Show me where I made that claim.

You presented the estimates as evidence, Ragnar. You felt that they
proved there was a possibility of massive thyroid epidemics or you
would not have posted them. People don't post things they think are
wrong in an argument, even people as stupid as you.

I never said the number were right or wrong. I only wanted to
illustrate that the 1 in a million figure posted by “always learning”
was in all likelihood a trolls fabrication much like your current
argument.
So you think the numbers are bogus? Well they could very well be but
don’t make assumptions on what I think they are. I’ve already stated
that they may or may not be true but one thing is certain the numbers
are a lot higher than 1 in a million as “always learning” was trying
to claim.
Since you claim to be so concerned why don’t you counter those
supposedly bogus numbers with the real data? I would also like to see
it.

My own stance on this issue has never been one of absolutes as you
have claimed it is. I’m still waiting for you to show me where I came
out and endorsed the quoted numbers as 100% factual. I would suspect
that even a bright bulb like you would be hard pressed to prove that.



Besides you stupid fool, some forms of thyroid disease can go
undiagnosed for years in individuals so real numbers are difficult to
verify.

No ****. That's why making an estimate that one in six people has one
is pretty ****ing ridiculous. Doing a good job here tearing apart your
own post. Do you still think that the good Dr's estimate is a viable
possiblity?

Idiot, since you claim the numbers are essentially unverifiable then
claiming a 1 in 6 ratio is a possibility until disproved with provable
data. I don’t really care how ridiculous it looks to you. Prove the
numbers wrong then open your maw.

Minor elevated or decreased levels of thyroid hormone can be
present in people without physical symptoms of the disease being
noticeable. My wife had thyroid issues for years and no one ever
picked up on it because the symptoms didn’t manifest themselves
readily. That being the case who really knows how many people could be
affected and any proposed number can only be looked at as
supposition.

Nobody knows. Yet you posted it as though it meant something.

So did the doctor that claims the numbers to be true. I still haven’t
seen anything out of you to the contrary other than your arguably
unqualified opinion.


Does that sound like an agenda building case to you moron? Look for an
argument elsewhere, you failed at finding one here.

oops. Guess you got me there. lol

I’m glad we can agree ****stick. Now run along and find the
supportable contrary data that you are so concerned about before I am
forced to kick you in that rotten **** of yours again.

hypocrite.

Hypocrite? Do you even know the meaning of the word?

Ragnar