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Old December 16th, 2003, 06:11 PM
tcomeau
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(gman99) wrote in message ...
wrote:
I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.

I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.

As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?


Low carb / low fat....doesn't matter. The ONLY way to lose / maintaina /
gain weoght is to create a calorie deficit / balance / surplus !!!!


Sure, why not. This methodology only fails 95 or more percent of the
time.


If you want to lose weight the probable best way is to do a little more and
eat a little less...PERIOD. There's nothing magical about ANY diet plan,
just remember there's nothing temporary about it. Losing weight and
maintaining a lower weight typically requires a LIFESTYLE change....FOR
LIFE !!


Yeah, and starving yourself can easily become a lifestyle, sure.
Unlike eating enough protein and fat in the diet to actually feel
satiated after a meal and not gorge on sugary carbs every hour or so.
Yep, starvation should definitely be looked upon as an attainable goal
and lifestyle.

Eat a little less and do a little more would work for tha majority of
people...it's THAT freakin' simple !!


Boy how stupid of the 60% of Americans who are now obese. Geez if only
they were told to eat a low-fat/low-calorie/high-carb diet, then they
would all be trim and healthy. Oh wait, they were told. But I guess
they just were genetically pre-disposed to be fat, or they just are
unable to count calories, or they are just lazy, or they just have no
will power. Poor saps.

How simple a solution, now if only we could figure out the reason why
it doesn't actually work more than 2 to 5% of the time. How freakin'
exciting that you've resolve all of our freakin' obesity problems in
one freakin' sweeping statement. You, sir, are a freakin' genius.

I guess we can tell all those who have lost massive amounts of weight
on healthy low-carb diets that they are just fooling themselves and it
is all an illusion.

TC
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Old December 16th, 2003, 06:26 PM
Donovan Rebbechi
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In article , tcomeau wrote:

Low carb / low fat....doesn't matter. The ONLY way to lose / maintaina /
gain weoght is to create a calorie deficit / balance / surplus !!!!


Sure, why not. This methodology only fails 95 or more percent of the
time.


It's not a "methodology". It's a fact about weight loss.

If you want to lose weight the probable best way is to do a little more and
eat a little less...PERIOD. There's nothing magical about ANY diet plan,
just remember there's nothing temporary about it. Losing weight and
maintaining a lower weight typically requires a LIFESTYLE change....FOR
LIFE !!


Yeah, and starving yourself can easily become a lifestyle, sure.


He didn't suggest starvation.

Unlike eating enough protein and fat in the diet to actually feel
satiated after a meal and not gorge on sugary carbs every hour or so.


Eating a few grams of carbs is not going to magically compell you to
"gorge on sugary carbs every hour or so".

Eat a little less and do a little more would work for tha majority of
people...it's THAT freakin' simple !!


Boy how stupid of the 60% of Americans who are now obese.


You're confusing "simple" with "easy".

Geez if only they were told to eat a low-fat/low-calorie/high-carb diet, then
they would all be trim and healthy. Oh wait, they were told.


Well, we do know about the Atkins diet now, so why is there still a problem
with obesity ? You may argue that "the word hasn't spread yet" or something
like that, but you should at least be able to demonstrate that there is a
pattern of reduced incidence of obesity that coincides with the popularisation
of the Atkins diet, right ?

How simple a solution, now if only we could figure out the reason why
it doesn't actually work more than 2 to 5% of the time.


Making lifestyle changes is not easy. Habits die hard.

Any task that requires a lifestyle change is goign to have a very low success
rate.

I guess we can tell all those who have lost massive amounts of weight
on healthy low-carb diets that they are just fooling themselves and it
is all an illusion.


What about all those who lost massive amounts of weight without "lo-carbing" ?

An anecdote (even several anecdotes) does not make a pattern.

Cheers,
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  #23  
Old December 16th, 2003, 06:31 PM
Donovan Rebbechi
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In article , tcomeau wrote:
Doug Freese wrote in message . ..
Lyle McDonald wrote:


No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.


Oh no, toss them both out and try the Cabbage Soup or was that
dingleberry torts? Save your money, add exercise and eat a balanced
diet less simple carbs.


well duh.... the whole debate is about what is a balanced diet.
according to the mainstream it is 60 plus percent carbs, according to
the low-carbers it is 40% or less. But I guess it doesn't matter as
long you deeply believe it is a truly balanced diet then the belief
will be enough to make you healthy and thin, eh?

And you say eat less simple carbs, eh? So complex carbs are acceptable
even if the GI-load or the calorie count is significantly higher than
some simple carbs?

On both recomendations, you've completely missed the mark.


He didn't make those recommendations.

Your argument is dishonest at best.

P.T. was right. The mainstream has been pushing the
low-fat/low-calorie idea for 100 years and we have never been fatter.


A lot of things have happened over the last 100 years. Most of those things
did not cause the current obesity epidemic.

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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Old December 16th, 2003, 06:44 PM
gman99
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Low carb / low fat....doesn't matter. The ONLY way to lose / maintaina
/ gain weoght is to create a calorie deficit / balance / surplus !!!!


Sure, why not. This methodology only fails 95 or more percent of the
time.


How so ?? Are you saying there is ANOTHER way to do the above
(non-surgical) ??

If you want to lose weight the probable best way is to do a little more
and eat a little less...PERIOD. There's nothing magical about ANY diet
plan, just remember there's nothing temporary about it. Losing weight
and maintaining a lower weight typically requires a LIFESTYLE
change....FOR LIFE !!


Yeah, and starving yourself can easily become a lifestyle, sure.


Who said anything about starving ?? That's quite an imagination...

Eat a little less and do a little more would work for tha majority of
people...it's THAT freakin' simple !!


Boy how stupid of the 60% of Americans who are now obese. Geez if only
they were told to eat a low-fat/low-calorie/high-carb diet, then they
would all be trim and healthy.


Again, your imagination is running wild again....
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Old December 16th, 2003, 08:24 PM
jmk
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On 12/16/2003 12:11 PM, tcomeau wrote:
(gman99) wrote in message ...

wrote:

I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.

I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.

As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?


Low carb / low fat....doesn't matter. The ONLY way to lose / maintaina /
gain weoght is to create a calorie deficit / balance / surplus !!!!



Sure, why not. This methodology only fails 95 or more percent of the
time.


"What we found was that most people who achieved long-term weight loss
success did so by consuming a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet," said
Holly Wyatt, M.D., assistant professor of Medicine, University of
Colorado. "Very few successful weight loss maintainers ate a
low-carbohydrate, high-protein/fat diet."
http://www.naaso.org/news/20001030.asp

"Available data suggest that long-term weight loss is most consistently
achieved by adherence to a fat-restricted diet abundant in grains,
vegetables, and fruit, along with regular physical activity, a lifestyle
notably conducive to the promotion of overall health."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract





If you want to lose weight the probable best way is to do a little more and
eat a little less...PERIOD. There's nothing magical about ANY diet plan,
just remember there's nothing temporary about it. Losing weight and
maintaining a lower weight typically requires a LIFESTYLE change....FOR
LIFE !!



Yeah, and starving yourself can easily become a lifestyle, sure.
Unlike eating enough protein and fat in the diet to actually feel
satiated after a meal and not gorge on sugary carbs every hour or so.
Yep, starvation should definitely be looked upon as an attainable goal
and lifestyle.

Environmental Nutrition, May 2003 v26 i5 p1
Calories do count more than carbohydrates.

"The weight lost while on low-carb diets, such as the popular Atkins
Diet, results mostly from eating fewer calories and sticking with the
diet as long as possible, not in limiting carbohydrates per se, say
researchers from Stanford and Yale Universities.

"The researchers analyzed 107 studies published on low-carbohydrate
diets in the past 35 years. They found that the diets of those who lost
the most weight (22 pounds or more, on average) varied widely in
carbohydrate content, up to 60 grams a day. What they all had in common,
however, was that calories were restricted to about 1,100 per day and
the diets lasted about four to five months."


--
jmk in NC

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Old December 16th, 2003, 08:34 PM
Seth Breidbart
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In article ,
Lyle McDonald wrote:
Lady o' the house wrote:

I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a
'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has
lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I
definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low
carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me.

If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so
before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of the
other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just search
for low carb diet).


No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****.
Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it.


Or get Lyle's book, if you want the gory details. Then google mfw for
all the updates.

It also cures insomnia.

Seth
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"There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate" -- Will Brink
Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi.
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Old December 16th, 2003, 09:28 PM
MrMorgan
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You should be a skeptic, everybody is just looking for the easy way to do
it. Look at the "epidemic" of OBESITY in America. They don't want to work at
anything, just lay around with the feed bag on and then try to do NOTHING
and loose weight.

People need to realize that you need to get up and do SOMETHING like
EXERCISE and SWEAT to force the toxins out of their body, they need to make
their body work. You need to give it what it NEEDS to work. No nutrition no
metabolism.........not healthy, PERIOD.

Remember in the 80"s, all of the KNOW-IT-ALLs told you that the WATERBED was
the best thing for your back, well they have a new product to SELL you and
make money............it's the Low Carb Diet..................my advice...be
skeptical, very skeptical.


MrMorgan
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I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many
are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be
popular these days.

I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting
themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with
weight control.

As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of
blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently
cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL
calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the
low carb diet does?

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Old December 16th, 2003, 09:56 PM
Doug Freese
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tcomeau wrote:

well duh.... the whole debate is about what is a balanced diet.
according to the mainstream it is 60 plus percent carbs, according to
the low-carbers it is 40% or less.


Yawn.

But I guess it doesn't matter as
long you deeply believe it is a truly balanced diet then the belief
will be enough to make you healthy and thin, eh?


Pure rhetoric.



And you say eat less simple carbs, eh? So complex carbs are acceptable
even if the GI-load or the calorie count is significantly higher than
some simple carbs?


This GI and GL for most people is BS! The fourth biggest lie that
gets extrapolated across everyone. Atkin's estate will continue to
live well off this and I won't be unfair to equate his croaking with
his diet. People eat too much food(total calories) and do too little
exercise, period. Too much simple sugar and portions to fatten the
proverbial water spider.


On both recomendations, you've completely missed the mark.


Note the quote below.


Whether P. T. Barum said it or not but the
quote still has merit - there's a sucker born every minute. Ya
gotta love freedom of speech regardless of facts.


P.T. was right. The mainstream has been pushing the
low-fat/low-calorie idea for 100 years and we have never been fatter.


Because we don't follow it, not because it doesn't work. The real
problem is very basic, every time a person bends their elbow there
mouth opens and more goes in. Jumbo fries, Jumbo drinks, Jumbo
burgers, huge portions and the fat play rolls on.

Stop by a local foot race some day. The vast majority of these
people are far from obese and the ones that are have taken the first
step by participating. Are we all genetically gifted and eating a
low carb diet? Hell no, in fact those that have tried low carbs and
exercise typically have bonking problems. It's the bodies way to
tell you, please some carbs. Unless you want to claim that exercise
is bad for you and I'm sure you're not agenda blinded, then tell me
why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on
low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911
before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and
wondering why the engine does not run right.


--
Doug Freese
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Old December 16th, 2003, 10:00 PM
Lyle McDonald
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Donovan Rebbechi wrote:

In article , tcomeau wrote:


I guess we can tell all those who have lost massive amounts of weight
on healthy low-carb diets that they are just fooling themselves and it
is all an illusion.


What about all those who lost massive amounts of weight without "lo-carbing" ?

An anecdote (even several anecdotes) does not make a pattern.


There is also no data (except anecdotal, which is ****) to suggest that
lowcarbers have any better long-term success than any other diet.

Lyle
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Old December 16th, 2003, 10:01 PM
Lyle McDonald
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MrMorgan wrote:

You should be a skeptic, everybody is just looking for the easy way to do
it. Look at the "epidemic" of OBESITY in America. They don't want to work at
anything, just lay around with the feed bag on and then try to do NOTHING
and loose weight.

People need to realize that you need to get up and do SOMETHING like
EXERCISE and SWEAT to force the toxins out of their body,


Toxins, eh?

Remember in the 80"s, all of the KNOW-IT-ALLs told you that the WATERBED was
the best thing for your back, well they have a new product to SELL you and
make money............it's the Low Carb Diet..................my advice...be
skeptical, very skeptical.


Or in your case, be an idiot, be very much an idiot.

Lyle
 




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